Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
technically my first language was basic as it was for
everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
can get bogged down in things.

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


Wayne
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Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
technically my first language was basic as it was for
everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
can get bogged down in things.

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


Wayne
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Hi Wayne.

30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams

Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal
ver 7.0 and C++.

C++ is more available

Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing
speed of the 2, which processes information faster?

It depemds how much inline assembler you use. :)

TP does some things more efficiently C++ does others...

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Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
technically my first language was basic as it was for
everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
can get bogged down in things.

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


Wayne
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Hi Wayne.

30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams

Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

C++ is more available

I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't almost
$400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could
with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

Wayne

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Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
technically my first language was basic as it was for
everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
can get bogged down in things.

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


Wayne
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Hi Wayne.

09-Oct-02 16:18:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Jasen Betts

Hi Wayne.

30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams

Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal
ver 7.0 and C++.

C++ is more available

I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't
almost $400.

I wasn't thinking of ms-windows at all, :)

C++ is avalable for pretty much any computer more powerfull than a C64,

TP is limited to PC and macintosh

I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as
you could with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are
pretty much the same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the
Desktop.

I've not used C++ builder or delphi, so I can't really compare the GUI
stuff, but as you say the TP and C++ languages have about equal "expressive power"

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Hi Wayne.

30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams

Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

C++ is more available

I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't almost
$400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could
with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

Wayne

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Quoting Wayne Harms to Scott Adams <=-

Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
technically my first language was basic as it was for
everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
can get bogged down in things.

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?

Well C tends to sometimes be more bottom level coding in
terms of being at the lowest level (though ASMembly is).
Pascal gets that way but its more oriented toward human
interaction. Pascal uses english like structures that
use common sense in alot of ways whereas C tends to
use cryptic keywords and structures that at first glance
isn't english but alien to many. TP7 didn't do OOP
(object oriented programming) at that point I believe
the first...no wait..7 may have..hmm..I think I went
to tp5 to bp7..I know bp7 did but I dont' recall tp7
though i think it had OWL and other OOP oriented stuff
in it..err..I'm babbling..

While in many ways they are two distinct languages they
really aren't.

In terms of speed and efficiency.

Its debatable and has been a debate in the fido pascal
and C echos for over a decade. But it boils down to
one thing programming ability and skill level. In the
end its not the type of keywords english or cryptic
since that gets broken down into machine code but its
a matter of how you code things.

A simple loop can slow down a program greatly by
a simple mistake in both languages but its the
skill of the coder to know that mistake can work
or not work. So don't be swayed by things like
which is a better language but just develop your
own skills and then go from there.

I use both and a dozen or so other languages. If
you really in truly want speed and efficiency then
go assembly but even then today's compilers are so
advanced its a non-issue. I use C for most contracts
but use pascal at home. I'm an expert in pascal
but in C I still need the bloody online help :)

The issues of speed and efficiency died years ago
with the speed of computers today its a waste
to really consider unless your just writing some
real time intensive programs.


For years folks say C does better things than pascal
and vice versus. But over the years we've shown
that's a myth. Its programmer ability not lines
of code.



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Quoting Wayne Harms to Jasen Betts <=-

Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

C++ is more available

I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't
almost $400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much
the same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

Check out your local college bookstore alot of
the campuses have discounts. I bought my delphi 3
back in college for only 50$ for the full ciient/
server version which would've been at least 500$
back then or 400 i forget. The only problem with
such discounts is the company doesn't allow free
tech support in the programs since your buying
it cheaper. But since I've never needed it
it didn't bother me, but something you can look
into.

Also visual studio has delphi, C in it in one
package (and VB and something else..I got
it on the shelf but never installed it yet...
maybe its turbo asm?)...


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Quoting Simon Woodland to Wayne Harms <=-

I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't
almost
$400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you
could
with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

Thats is because Borland C++ Builder is written in object pascal.

There is hack on the internet that will let you turn Borland C++ into
a Delphi complier.

Not heard of that hack..hmmm


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Hi Wayne.

30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams

Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

C++ is more available

I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't almost
$400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could
with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

Wayne

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