I am kinda stuck here, maybe some has some experience and might can
help out. I have Sio 1.60 and Sio2k, each one has a problem running on
my system, I have had to chose the lesser of two evils, but I'd like to
get get one of them fixed.

SIO2K - Telnet connections are slow and have pauses in them - otherwise
Sio2K works fine. Dialup is working great.

SIO160 - Telnet connections are perfect, but on dialup, then ansi's get
all messed up. I have a rather large ansi file that is my "welcome"
ansi (22k) and after about 10 lines of it, it turns to trash. I've
tried different modems, different lock rates. Under Sio2K it works
flawlessly.

So, I can have slow telnets or screwed up ansi over dialup. I chose to
have screwed up ansi over dialup because I doubt I'll have many dialup
callers, but I would still like to get it fixed, so if you have any
ideas, fire away, I have tried everything I can think of and no luck so
far.

Have another problem that has be stumped, but that's for another
message.

Kev

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Kevin ..

I am kinda stuck here, maybe some has some experience and might can
help out. I have Sio 1.60 and Sio2k, each one has a problem running on
my system, I have had to chose the lesser of two evils, but I'd like to get get one of them fixed.

I've got both of these registered as well. I've never seen any issues at all for dialup with either one of them. Actually, I've got BBS systems running on both on different boxes. I can tell you that HyperHost works equally well on either one. But HyperAcess Pro doesn't work well on the client end to connect to a HHost for me. Thus for the box that is to run a remote site remotely, SIO
1.60 is better for that purpose.

Other than that I've not seen what you describle at all with dial-up ANSI elements of Bink/Max operations here, nor even with Intermail running on the same box in a DOS-VDM session as the OS/2 Bink/Max both POTS and Telnet for more BBS operations on that same box!

Now ..

I'm curious. Granted I've never seen what you describe. But somewhere in the back of my mind, I think I recall that you actually can run SIO 1.60 on a given
port and simultaneously run SIO2K on another port?

If so, that would be a heck of a way to solve the problem, but it might work?

Just a thought.

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001




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MIKE LUTHER wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I'm curious. Granted I've never seen what you describe. But somewhere
in the back of my mind, I think I recall that you actually can run SIO 1.60 on a given port and simultaneously run SIO2K on another port?

If so, that would be a heck of a way to solve the problem, but it might work?

The only problem there is version conflicts with VSIO and VX00, but
that might be worth a try just for the fun of it.

I think I remember reading somewhere, an interview with Gwinn, that he
was considering starting to work on SIO again, but now his website is
gone, so maybe not. I might just let the problem sit since I don't
think I'll have any dialup callers. If I do, then I'll work to solve
the problem, until then mailer calls work fine it seems.

Thanks for the input!

Kev

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Kevin,

I'm wondering if your modem and the SIO 1.60 are curiously in conflict over the
DOS session settings should you be running the BBS in DOS mode? That or possibly that the modem has an initialization setting for one of its parameters
that is in conflict? Is it, for example, still depending on non-hardware control? Care to post any other information here and let me think some more about this? There are settings in SIO which can be used to get at things that I might be able to help with should this be a problem..

Just trying to help still.

Mike @ 1:117/3001 via POTS from a ways away from the site right now.

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MIKE LUTHER wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I'm wondering if your modem and the SIO 1.60 are curiously in conflict over the DOS session settings should you be running the BBS in DOS

Thanks for the help! :) The BBS is OS/2 native, as with the Mailer
(BT). I do have dos doors, but the problem occurs even before trying to
get into dos.

mode? That or possibly that the modem has an initialization

setting ML> for one of its parameters that is in conflict? Is it, for
example,

Not sure what all might help you, but I'll start with the modem info
and init strings:

==========================================
ati7
USRobotics Courier V.Everything Configuration Profile...

Product type US/Canada External
Options HST,V32bis,Terbo,VFC,V34+
Fax Options Class 1,Class 2.0
Clock Freq 20.16Mhz
Flash ROM 512k
Ram 64k

Supervisor date 03/13/98
DSP date 03/13/98

Supervisor rev 7.3.14
DSP rev 3.0.13

Serial Number 20XOB9N6F66A

OK

==========================================
One note about the modem, I currently use a courier, but I have
switched to a USR sportster and the problem still occurs

=========================================

ati4
USRobotics Courier V.Everything Settings...

B0 C1 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X7
BAUD=115200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8
DIAL=PULSE ON HOOK TIMER

&A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &L0 &M4 &N0
&P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &U0 &X0 &Y1 %N6 #CID=0

S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060
S08=002 S09=006 S10=014 S11=070 S12=050 S13=000 S14=001 S15=000
S16=000 S17=000 S18=000 S19=000 S20=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019
S24=150 S25=005 S26=001 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S30=000 S31=000
S32=009 S33=000 S34=000 S35=000 S36=000 S37=000 S38=000 S39=000
S40=000 S41=000 S42=126 S43=200 S44=015 S45=000 S46=000 S47=000
S48=000 S49=000 S50=000 S51=000 S52=000 S53=000 S54=064 S55=000
S56=000 S57=000 S58=000 S59=000 S60=000 S61=000 S62=000 S63=000
S64=000 S65=000 S66=000 S67=000 S68=000 S69=000 S70=000

LAST DIALED #:

=================================================

And lastly, my modem strings from binkley.cfg - these are directly from
the BGFAX documentation for a USR

PreInit |v``^``ATZ|~ATS0=0+FCLASS=2\.0|~
Init AT+FAA=1;+FLI="713\ 555\ 1212";+FNR=1,1,1,1|
PreDial `
Prefix ATM0+FCLASS=0;DT
Answer ATA|

=================================================

SIO setup in the config.sys file is generic, posting just in case

DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4,-) (COM2:115200,INTERNET:2F8,NONE:3,-) (COM3:115200,INTERNET:3E8,NONE:4,-) (COM4:115200,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3,-) DEVICE=C:\SIO\VSIO.SYS
DEVICE=C:\SIO\vx00.sys

==================================================

If there is anymore info that I can provide, let me know and thanks for
helping me try to figure this out.

Kev

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Hallo Kevin!

Sonntag, den 10. April 2005 17:53, Kevin Nunn schrieb an Mike Luther:

SIO setup in the config.sys file is generic, posting just in case DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4,-) (COM2:115200,INTERNET:2F8,NONE:3,-) (COM3:115200,INTERNET:3E8,NONE:4,-) (COM4:115200,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3,-) DEVICE=C:\SIO\VSIO.SYS
DEVICE=C:\SIO\vx00.sys

If there is anymore info that I can provide, let me know and thanks for helping me try to figure this out.

I think, you are useing the serial ports of your motherboard. Afaik sio can't access irq-shared com-ports. So, just give every com-port a different irq in your bios. Or, use one of the serial-multiport-cards as they are listed in sio.inf.

Kev
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Torsten ..

Hallo Kevin!

Sonntag, den 10. April 2005 17:53, Kevin Nunn schrieb an Mike Luther:

SIO setup in the config.sys file is generic, posting just in case DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4,-)
(COM2:115200,INTERNET:2F8,NONE:3,-)
(COM3:115200,INTERNET:3E8,NONE:4,-)
(COM4:115200,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3,-)
DEVICE=C:\SIO\VSIO.SYS
DEVICE=C:\SIO\vx00.sys

If there is anymore info that I can provide, let
me know and thanks for
helping me try to figure this out.

I think, you are useing the serial ports of your
motherboard. Afaik sio can't access irq-shared com-
ports. So, just give every com-port a different irq in
your bios. Or, use one of the serial-multiport-cards
as they are listed in sio.inf.

I think I see what you are saying. That by specifying that the IRQ is hard coded in the setup line for IRQ3 and IRQ4 like that, you suggest that is where the conflict arises? As I understood his post, he had only ONE actual hard cable connected modem in this setup. That was the COM1 device. It normally is
on IRQ4 and has to be known as that way to SIO or SIO2K per what I think I understand.

I, in fact, use a four port hard coded serial board on this BBS box here. While it is an ISA-type card, and it has the ability to define and set up each COMM port with a different IRQ specified and that is the way I used it, it also
*CAN*, share the same IRQ for all the ports, even in an ISA slot. That because
of special design and driver work. However, I don't do that common IRQ driver operation. I use separate IRQ's for each port. As has been posted for a long time, OS/2 can share the same IRQ for different driver purposes. However that is dependent on the fact that the drivers which do this stunt have all been coded very carefully to allow this. You saw this heavily on the old COMPAQ computer systems which were shipped with OS/2 long ago and also were shipped with custome made Adaptec SCSI controller cards, as well as hard disk drives that were carefully specified to be compatible with these common single IRQ use
techniques.

I never caught that conflict IRQ use in his post. But SIO and SIO2K both don't
normally care about merged IRQ assignments for multiple internet ports, as I understand this. Thus, here are the two different CONFIG.SYS lines for my system here with four hardware ports and the additional internet ports that work just fine here:

DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1:57600,03F8,4,-) (COM2:57600,02F8,3,-)
(COM3:9600,03E8,15,-) (COM4,02E8,12,-) (COM5,INTERNET:02A8,11)
(COM6,INTERNET:02B8,11)

Obviously that above is all on one line. Or in the case of SIO2K here:

device=C:\sio2k\uart.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\sio2k.log
device=C:\sio2k\vsio2k.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\vsio2k.log
vIrqList(1=4,2=3,3=15,4=12)
device=C:\sio2k\vx00.sys
device=C:\sio2k\vmodem.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\sio2k.log NoPause nPorts=1
device=C:\sio2k\sio2k.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\sio2k.log

I don't use a PS/2 style mouse. It is a serial port mouse that is fed to my beloved ROSE rack mount KVM switch operation. Thus in this case the IRQ12 is available for that COM4 use above which otherwise would be in conflict with the
PS/2 type mouse.

Notice the two internet ports configured in that COM5 and COM6 SIO operation above that use different ports but the same IRQ? As far as I know the software
simulated ports in SIO and SIO2K can handle the internet port creation stuff just fine with a common IRQ specified. But I don't assign that to an IRQ which
is used elsewhere in hard coded ISA or hardware board level COMM port work. And I do not use any of the normal communications ports for an internet port with SIO either,

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001


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Hello Mike!

on Friday, 15. April 2005 14:21, Mike Luther wrote to me:

I think I see what you are saying.

Well, sorry for my english. My german is much better. ;-)

That by specifying that the IRQ is
hard coded in the setup line for IRQ3 and IRQ4 like that, you suggest that is where the conflict arises? As I understood his post, he had only ONE actual hard cable connected modem in this setup. That was the COM1 device. It normally is on IRQ4 and has to be known as that way to SIO or SIO2K per what I think I understand.

Me either.

I, in fact, use a four port hard coded serial board on this BBS box here. While it is an ISA-type card, and it has the ability to define and set up each COMM port with a different IRQ specified and that is the way I used it, it also *CAN*, share the same IRQ for all the ports, even in an ISA slot. That because of special design and driver work. However, I don't do that common IRQ driver operation. I use separate IRQ's for each port. As has been posted for a long time, OS/2 can share the same IRQ for different driver purposes. However that is dependent on the fact that the drivers which do this stunt have all been coded very carefully to allow this. You saw this heavily on the old COMPAQ computer systems which were shipped with OS/2 long ago and also were shipped with custome made Adaptec SCSI controller cards, as well as hard disk drives that were carefully specified to be compatible with these common single IRQ use techniques.

Well, I've tried to use all 4 buildin Com-Ports with modems, and on some mainboards it does work, on others not. Sometimes there are strange timing errors, sometimes I couldn't reach com3 and com4. Aehm, I usually have european
Boards, witch are produced in china or taiwan (gigabyte, msi, intel)

I never caught that conflict IRQ use in his post. But SIO and SIO2K both don't normally care about merged IRQ assignments for multiple internet ports, as I understand this. Thus, here are the two different CONFIG.SYS lines for my system here with four hardware ports and the additional internet ports that work just fine here:

DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1:57600,03F8,4,-) (COM2:57600,02F8,3,-)
(COM3:9600,03E8,15,-) (COM4,02E8,12,-) (COM5,INTERNET:02A8,11)
(COM6,INTERNET:02B8,11)

Obviously that above is all on one line. Or in the case of SIO2K here:

device=C:\sio2k\uart.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\sio2k.log
device=C:\sio2k\vsio2k.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\vsio2k.log
vIrqList(1=4,2=3,3=15,4=12)
device=C:\sio2k\vx00.sys
device=C:\sio2k\vmodem.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\sio2k.log NoPause nPorts=1
device=C:\sio2k\sio2k.sys logfile=C:\sio2k\sio2k.log

I don't use a PS/2 style mouse. It is a serial port mouse that is fed to my beloved ROSE rack mount KVM switch operation. Thus in this case the IRQ12 is available for that COM4 use above which otherwise would be in conflict with the PS/2 type mouse.

Notice the two internet ports configured in that COM5 and COM6 SIO operation above that use different ports but the same IRQ? As far as I know the software simulated ports in SIO and SIO2K can handle the internet port creation stuff just fine with a common IRQ specified. But I don't assign that to an IRQ which is used elsewhere in hard coded ISA or hardware board level COMM port work. And I do not use any of the normal communications ports for an internet port with SIO either,

Ok, I see. As I understood, he has theese specific problems on com1, 3f8, irq4. He mapped the virtual comports to com2/com3/com4.
ok.
Well, my expirence is, that sometimes the timing-options of the builtin fifo chips are very worse, or/and speed down the hole system. I found out, that especially via-chipsets having a very worse timing on comports.
Just, after I disabled all buildin comports, and using a multi-comport-card, these problems have been gone.

Mike @ 1:117/3001

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*** Quoting Torsten Bamberg to Kevin Nunn dated 04-15-05 ***

DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4,-)

(COM2:115200,INTERNET:2F8,NONE:3,-)

(COM3:115200,INTERNET:3E8,NONE:4,-)

(COM4:115200,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3,-)

DEVICE=C:\SIO\VSIO.SYS

(bit del)

I think, you are useing the serial ports of your motherboard. Afaik sio
can't access irq-shared com-ports. So, just give every com-port a
different irq in your bios. Or, use one of the serial-multiport-cards

Torsten,

I am using something similar to this. I disabled com2 in BIOS and used the 'virtual' IRQ in SIO. I use IRQ-4 for com1, and IRQ-3 for -all- my INTERNET ports. Its not a real IRQ (or port address) for SIO.
My com1 is a real port for dial-in.

Soon I should have TAG set up for I-net. :}

Rich
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Quoting Rich Wonneberger to Torsten Bamberg
Subj. Sio vs Sio2k, dated 16-Apr-2005 09:30

*** Quoting Torsten Bamberg to Kevin Nunn dated 04-15-05 ***

DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4,-)

(COM2:115200,INTERNET:2F8,NONE:3,-)

(COM3:115200,INTERNET:3E8,NONE:4,-)

(COM4:115200,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3,-)

DEVICE=C:\SIO\VSIO.SYS

(bit del)

I think, you are useing the serial ports of your motherboard. Afaik sio can't access irq-shared com-ports. So, just give every com-port a
different irq in your bios. Or, use one of the serial-multiport-cards

I am using something similar to this. I disabled com2 in BIOS and
used the 'virtual' IRQ in SIO. I use IRQ-4 for com1, and IRQ-3 for
-all- my INTERNET ports. Its not a real IRQ (or port address) for
SIO. My com1 is a real port for dial-in.

I am like Torsten. I have a real modem on com1 and virtual on
coms2-4. Like you, I turned off com 2 in the bios. As for the
addresses for 2 thru 4, I use the standard values. Altho I do know
I can use any irq I want, being virtualized, I find it's best to
use standard and not have to worry about doors working. Some doors
say they accept non-standard com ports but they really don't, and
some say they use fossil only and ignore port settings, but don't.
So rather then figuring out which doors have proper com operations
WRT port addressing & fossil, and which don't, I just set SIO to
report standards and all doors like it. Makes life easier. :)

Cheers...
Gordon Lewicky (Pdk)

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Hallo Rich,

I am using something similar to this. I disabled com2 in BIOS and used the 'virtual' IRQ in SIO. I use IRQ-4 for com1, and IRQ-3 for -all- my INTERNET ports. Its not a real IRQ (or port address) for SIO. My com1 is a real port for dial-in.

Well, there is no need for a irq on virtual ports. :-)
Just take a look at my config.sys:

--- Beginn CONFIG.SYS ---
DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1:115200,3F8,IRQ4,,)(COM3,INTERNET,NONE)(COM4,INTERNET,NONE)
DEVICE=C:\SIO\VSIO.SYS
--- Ende CONFIG.SYS ---

Com2 is used on my dcf77-clock with another driver.

Soon I should have TAG set up for I-net. :}

Rich
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Torsten Bamberg wrote to Mike Luther <=-

Well, my expirence is, that sometimes the timing-options of the builtin fifo chips are very worse, or/and speed down the hole system. I found
out, that especially via-chipsets having a very worse timing on
comports. Just, after I disabled all buildin comports, and using a multi-comport-card, these problems have been gone.

So the concensus would be to try a outboard port card and see if that
improves things? I'll keep an eye out for something on Ebay, saw a 8
port card on there yesterday, but that's a bit overkill :) Heck, can
probably get an IO card new pretty cheap. Any recommendations?

Kev

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*** Quoting Kevin Nunn from a message to Torsten Bamberg ***

probably get an IO card new pretty cheap. Any recommendations?

Go by your local thrift store and get another computer? <G>

Later,
Sean

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Hallo Kevin!

Sonntag, den 17. April 2005 22:12, Kevin Nunn schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

comports. Just, after I disabled all buildin comports, and using a
multi-comport-card, these problems have been gone.

So the concensus would be to try a outboard port card and see if that improves things?

Maybe you got some bad fifo-chips. Maybe you'll need a newer bios.
Try to use a different com-port eg. com2.
Have you set com1 to 'lagacy isa' at your bios?

I'll keep an eye out for something on Ebay, saw a 8
port card on there yesterday, but that's a bit overkill :) Heck, can probably get an IO card new pretty cheap. Any recommendations?

I'm using a card from 'vision systems' from a german dealer. Maybe you'll find a intelligent moxa-card on e*ay.

Kev

By/2 Torsten

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Sean Dennis wrote to Kevin Nunn <=-

probably get an IO card new pretty cheap. Any recommendations?

Go by your local thrift store and get another computer? <G>

No way! LOL. I just built this one, spent maybe $250 on it, 1.0ghz,
512meg, 2 20gigs, and spare parts. Works fine except for the com port
problem. Fast too!

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*** Quoting Kevin Nunn from a message to Sean Dennis ***

No way! LOL. I just built this one, spent maybe $250 on it, 1.0ghz, 512meg, 2 20gigs, and spare parts. Works fine except for the com port problem. Fast too!

You spent $250 on it? You got screwed. <G>

Then again, I can get PIIIs for $50 bucks for all day long too here. One of the benefits of living down here-so much computer stuff, so little time. :)

Later,
Sean

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