I've been using QNode. I'm looking for something that
will allow me to compile newer options, such as IP and
DNS information into the compiled nodelist, so that I
can have binkley "dial out" on VModem ports in
addition to handling POTS traffic.

Likewise.

Ok.... You haven't "solved" it either. :(

On the list of some-day-over-the-rainbow, is a utility
that could take the ASCI version of the NodeLists and
simply parse it looking for the magic byte patterns.
When it came to that .. I'd simply plug it the way
needed for Qnode etc...

<GRIN> I believe I could play the needed games if I had time and wanted to. I've seen OS/2 REXX stuff on your board for handling the Version 7 compiled nodelist files, if I remember right. So, it is doable....

If I recall this all right when I was thinking about
it, I either had to prang the NodeList to make it work
with Ray's SIO easily, or, I had to convice Ray that he
should modify VMODEM to accept a "-" mark as a "."
mark,or, I had to somehow get the FTSC to let us modify
the NodeList formula so that we could carry the "."
mark directly in the thing for the purpose.

As you mention elsewhere, Ray is working on SIO again. Maybe you could re-ask him about making a change to VMODEM to support '-' in addition to '*' as a substitution for '.'.

But, that doesn't solve the "current" way that most nodelist entries are now being made. You now need to parse (a) the phone number (for "000-", which is on the virge of going away), (b) the BBS name field for a real DNS entry to look up, and (c) tagging on the DNS or IP info in one or more user flags. So, it gets interesting to parse the various options and come up with the "correct"
information to use. I've yet to see any nodelist "compiler" handle these options....

I found out that some NodeList compilers keep a CRC
checksum on the final source for the thing and what it
produces. They would tell me that there was a CRC
error in the NodeList when I hand edited it! But it
never seemed to make any difference and ran anyway both
in BINK/MAX and BBBS here. So I wound up thinking how
to patch this or that...

Yes, the CRC is a needed item to make sure you don't have a corrupt nodelist. Any edits to the raw nodelist file is very likely to corrupt the CRC value. [Yes, you *could* caculate a set of changes to get a good CRC, but that isn't worth it for your purposes.] As to what you were doing, as long as you left each line in the file as a line, without adding or deleting any lines, you can continue to get away with applying nodediffs. You might have to re-edit the nodelist after applying the diff *if* one of your edits was wiped out by a node
you had change having updated their list entry..... <grin>.... You may have to tweak or change your nodediff editor(s) because some of the code that applies nodediffs I believe won't apply the diff if the CRC isn't correct to start with.... Other diff programs will apply it (and maybe warn you that the CRC is bad).

Your thoughts?

It's about time for someone to take a publicly available version 7 nodelist compiler and update it for use with the current nodelist flags so we can get our Binkley programs talking both POTS and TCP/IP at the same time.....

Oh, well.... I seem to recall the Linux crowd has Fastlst compiling on that platform. That may be the best spot to get a free nodelist compiler updated for OS/2.... And would support (my eventual?) usage of a Linux based system.

Take care.....

Bob Jones, 1:343/41


--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)

Is anyone using the OS/2 version of Fastlst?

Is version 2.02 the latest?

Flst202P.Zip 09-25-99 120,048

Hmmm.... Mine shows FLST202P.ZIP 10-15-99 120639 . I wonder if one of ours got re-packed with a system advertisement.... I think mine came in on one of the filebone areas.

Works for me using AeptXBBS with:

--- Excerpt QNODE.CFG ---

Dialcost

...

; VModem IP address substitution
; Chuck Robinson
1-770-614-7791 207.120.200.4 00
; VModem URL address substitution
; Mark Lewis
1-919-774-5930 bbs.wpusa.dynip.com 00

Interesting..... You are using Qnode and not Fastlst. [I'm also using Qnode.]
You are doing it down in the Dial translation tables instead of in the phone number override section. Both work in qnode, but you have to manually set up each and every system that you want to connect to via TCP/IP. I was looking for something more automated.

On the other hand, I do recall I normally "include" my cost and dial translation tables.... So with PERL or something similar, I could probably build the needed dial translation table prior to running QNode.... Interesting
thought.... Now, where is perl for OS/2.... (and a good perl book....)

Baseically, what you are doing is what I'm already doing, except in a different
spot of the config file.

The real catch is having that translation automatically generated based on information currently contained in the nodelist.

Hmmmm....

Thanks for the thought.....

Bob Jones, 1:343/41
telnet://tophat.darktech.org

--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)

Bob Jones,

21-Jul-01 13:12:36, Bob Jones wrote to All
Subject: FastLst 2.02

Is anyone using the OS/2 version of Fastlst?

Is version 2.02 the latest?

Flst202P.Zip 09-25-99 120,048

While it seems to work in producing a basic version 7 nodelist, I
am unable to get it to set node passwords, override phone numbers,
flags or costs

I've been using QNode. I'm looking for something that will allow
me to compile newer options, such as IP and DNS information into
the compiled nodelist, so that I can have binkley "dial out" on
VModem ports in addition to handling POTS traffic.

Works for me using AeptXBBS with:
nodex.dat
nodex.ndx
sysop.ndx

Any comments or ideas?

--- Excerpt QNODE.CFG ---
; CALLCOST 1:140/26 17 ; Sets a cost for a node (and msg-fee)
PASSWORD 1:109/921 SecretPW
PASSWORD 1:109/921.1 SecretPW
PASSWORD 1:109/400 AnotherPW

Dialcost
; The following set up local calls from Saskatoon, SK
; 1-306-242- 242- 00
; POTS # substitution
1-703-765-0822 1-703-319-0714 00
; VModem IP address substitution
; Chuck Robinson
1-770-614-7791 207.120.200.4 00
; VModem URL address substitution
; Mark Lewis
1-919-774-5930 bbs.wpusa.dynip.com 00
End

; --- *END OF FILE* ---
---

Note the 00 at the end of those lines refers to the cost.

Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
--- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at
* Origin: OS/2 & Old age are better than the alternatives. (1:109/921.1)

Is anyone using the OS/2 version of Fastlst?

Yep.

Is version 2.02 the latest?

One I have source code for is v2.01

...

Works here ie flags, passwords.

Thanks for the note. I'll have to see if going back one version helps. But I thought 2.01 was the last of the shareware versions of fastlst.... Hmmmm....

Something to try.

Thanks.

Bob Jones, 1:343/41


--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)

Flst202P.Zip 09-25-99 120,048

Hmmm.... Mine shows FLST202P.ZIP 10-15-99 120639 . I wonder if
one of ours got re-packed with a system advertisement.... I think
mine came in on one of the filebone areas.

The IFDC requires a Zip comment. After awhile I strip all Zip files of comments and re-Touch the dates to the latest contained file. Besides some of those old files gave credit to USR, which is no longer part of the system and IMO makes a great modem but doesn't deserve credit for what is history as far as the IFDC is concerned.

Thanks. I understand what you're doing. I probably have the same archive then.

Sorry I strayed off your subject, but your original msg did leave an alternative open.

No problem. I was asking for alternatives....

...

I never call out to anywhere without knowing exactly where I'm calling. The years of huge phone bills are long gone for me. Considering the rather small quantity of Telnet nodes available, it would probably take me less time to manually setup all those in the current nodelist, than it does for me to reply to this msg.

I'll admit that by default, all netmail going through here is routed. I would only rarely make a long distance call, and for those I have to manually reset the nodelist tables to permit it. But with the internet connectivity, if I could automate a few things, I could send more stuff direct via TCP/IP links.....

IMO it wouldn't take much to write a REXX CMD to read a raw nodelist (looking for "000-") and output a short list of Telnet nodes then append that to QNode.cfg

It takes more than translating "000-" phone numbers. If all you want is the list of telnet nodes, pick up the INODELST file bone. The list is supposed to be posted weekly, but I haven't seen an update for about two to four weeks.

---
Perl560.Zip 03-22-00 5,298,642
PERL v5.60 language interpreter.
---

Going to have to dig that out..... I have other reasons to learn more perl code. For my current work, REXX isn't of interest, but I know it is doable.

If it were me I'd just manually rearrange those dozen or so lines and edit qnode.cfg manually. Otherwise I'd use REXX to automate the job.

As of the last INODELST file I receive, it is 240 telnet'able FTSC handshaking nodes within fidonet (at least those that admit to such capability in the nodelist). I get the needed BinkD configuration information straight out of the I-BINKD (or INODELST) filebone. I was looking for how to handle the telnet
(and VMODEM) connections.... I think I like your dial / cost translation table
edits.... Hmmmmm.... That could be automated via an generated file included in the QNode processing..... Hmmmmm.....

Hmmmm....

Thanks for the thought.....

Welcome to the confusion too. <g>

Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net

And thank you for feeding me with another round of ideas for handling the situation..... Now I need time.....

Bob Jones, 1:343/41
telnet://tophat.darktech.org


--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)

Hello Bob!

Saturday July 21 2001, Bob Jones writes to All:

Is anyone using the OS/2 version of Fastlst?

Yep.

Is version 2.02 the latest?

One I have source code for is v2.01

While it seems to work in producing a basic version 7 nodelist, I am unable to get it to set node passwords, override phone numbers, flags or costs.

Works here ie flags, passwords.

I've been using QNode. I'm looking for something that will allow me
to
compile newer options, such as IP and DNS information into the compiled nodelist, so that I can have binkley "dial out" on VModem ports in addition to handling POTS traffic.

Any comments or ideas?

Vince

--- Maximus v3.01/GoldED/2 2.50+#10UK3 under OS/2
* Origin: Air Applewood; OS/2 Gateway to Essex +44-1279-792300 (2:257/609)

Bob Jones,

22-Jul-01 17:55:56, Bob Jones wrote to Andy Roberts
Subject: FastLst 2.02

Is anyone using the OS/2 version of Fastlst?

Is version 2.02 the latest?

Flst202P.Zip 09-25-99 120,048

Hmmm.... Mine shows FLST202P.ZIP 10-15-99 120639 . I wonder if
one of ours got re-packed with a system advertisement.... I think
mine came in on one of the filebone areas.

The IFDC requires a Zip comment. After awhile I strip all Zip files of comments and re-Touch the dates to the latest contained file. Besides
some of those old files gave credit to USR, which is no longer part of the system and IMO makes a great modem but doesn't deserve credit for what is history as far as the IFDC is concerned.

Sorry I strayed off your subject, but your original msg did leave an alternative open.

Works for me using AdeptXBBS with:

--- Excerpt QNODE.CFG ---

Dialcost

; VModem IP address substitution
; Chuck Robinson
1-770-614-7791 207.120.200.4 00
; VModem URL address substitution
; Mark Lewis
1-919-774-5930 bbs.wpusa.dynip.com 00

Interesting..... You are using Qnode and not Fastlst. [I'm also
using Qnode.]

Yes. I can't see much purpose to making any major changes to my BBS
anymore.

You are doing it down in the Dial translation tables instead of in
the phone number override section. Both work in qnode, but you have
to manually set up each and every system that you want to connect to
via TCP/IP.

I never call out to anywhere without knowing exactly where I'm calling.
The years of huge phone bills are long gone for me. Considering the
rather small quantity of Telnet nodes available, it would probably take me
less time to manually setup all those in the current nodelist, than it
does for me to reply to this msg.

I was looking for something more automated.

Seems to me someone possibly you raised that issue before, and I
appropriately did not reply, keeping my nose out of other's bee's wax.
IMO it wouldn't take much to write a REXX CMD to read a raw nodelist
(looking for "000-") and output a short list of Telnet nodes then append
that to QNode.cfg

On the other hand, I do recall I normally "include" my cost and
dial translation tables.... So with PERL or something similar, I
could probably build the needed dial translation table prior to
running QNode.... Interesting thought.... Now, where is perl for OS/2.... (and a good perl book....

---
Perl560.Zip 03-22-00 5,298,642
PERL v5.60 language interpreter.
---

Author: Ilya Zakharevich, ilya@math.ohio-state.edu

Baseically, what you are doing is what I'm already doing, except
in a different spot of the config file.

The real catch is having that translation automatically generated
based on information currently contained in the nodelist.

If it were me I'd just manually rearrange those dozen or so lines and edit qnode.cfg manually. Otherwise I'd use REXX to automate the job.

Hmmmm....

Thanks for the thought.....

Welcome to the confusion too. <g>

Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
--- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at
* Origin: OS/2 & Old age are better than the alternatives. (1:109/921.1)

Bob ..

I've been using QNode. I'm looking for something that
will allow me to compile newer options, such as IP and
DNS information into the compiled nodelist, so that I
can have binkley "dial out" on VModem ports in
addition to handling POTS traffic.

Likewise.

Any comments or ideas?

Yes.

On the list of some-day-over-the-rainbow, is a utility that could take the ASCI
version of the NodeLists and simply parse it looking for the magic byte patterns. When it came to that .. I'd simply plug it the way needed for Qnode etc...

If I recall this all right when I was thinking about it, I either had to prang the NodeList to make it work with Ray's SIO easily, or, I had to convice Ray that he should modify VMODEM to accept a "-" mark as a "." mark,or, I had to somehow get the FTSC to let us modify the NodeList formula so that we could carry the "." mark directly in the thing for the purpose.

Of course if that got done, then what would it break as to the NodeList compilers out there.

I was playing with BBBS as well here when I was putting up TELNET for test purposes on 1:117/3001. It has its own NodeList compiler tool. To drive it you use an ASCI text file as well, per my memory. When I was playing with it, I simply went in and hand edited the NodeList with a file editor. Then I let it compile it.

I found out that some NodeList compilers keep a CRC checksum on the final source for the thing and what it produces. They would tell me that there was a
CRC error in the NodeList when I hand edited it! But it never seemed to make any difference and ran anyway both in BINK/MAX and BBBS here. So I wound up thinking how to patch this or that...

By the way. In setting up this whole affair on Windows 9x and 2K or ME, I fergit now .. I wound up using COMIP for the TELNET shim. It can, if my memory
is correct, handle the "-" convention as a dialing convention for the TELNET work!

Thus, I think the nicest solution would be if Ray would cooperate. To thata extent, I wrote him an Email suggesting it. Never heard back. However,there was a period of time there when I think he was sulking over IBM's treatment of him (like others?). I paid for a couple more instances of SIO for other sites.
It took a while to get them. Then, shortly after than,suddenly he began working on SIO's next version again.

It may be he will think about this now...

Your thoughts?

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001




--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Ziplog Public Port (1:117/3001)

Is anyone using the OS/2 version of Fastlst?

Is version 2.02 the latest?

While it seems to work in producing a basic version 7 nodelist, I am unable to get it to set node passwords, override phone numbers, flags or costs.

I've been using QNode. I'm looking for something that will allow me to compile
newer options, such as IP and DNS information into the compiled nodelist, so that I can have binkley "dial out" on VModem ports in addition to handling POTS
traffic.

Any comments or ideas?

Bob Jones, 1:343/41
telnet://tophat.darktech.org


--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)

*** Quoting Mark Lewis to Mike Luther dated 07-27-01 ***

the '-' works just fine... my frontdoor mailer dials 127-0-0-1 just
fine...

Mark,

Are you dialing this from FD, or manually from its terminal??
Is there a way I can manually enter an IP address to freq files instead of setting up a phone translate for the node number??

TIA
Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net


... Beep! Invalid Input. I take only cash....
---
* Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 845-783-2106 (1:2625/50)

Replying to a message from Vince Coen 2:257/609 to Bob Jones,

About FastLst 2.02, On Wed Jul 25 2001

Is version 2.02 the latest?

One I have source code for is v2.01

V2.01 is avail in source. If you have a problem locating local to
you let me know and I will send you a copy.

Please send me both of the above via email thanks Vince

Hope this helps. Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Cheers! Gord
-=Team OS/2=-
--- timEd/2 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Marsh BBS (c) [Dawson Creek BC Canada] 1-250-786-7921 (1:17/23.1)

Mark ..

SIO easily, or, I had to convice Ray that he should modify
VMODEM to accept a "-" mark as a "." mark,or, I had to somehow
get the FTSC to let us modify the NodeList formula so that we
could carry the "." mark directly in the thing for the
purpose.

the '-' works just fine... my frontdoor mailer dials
127-0-0-1 just fine...

With SIO in TELNET?

If so what am I doing wrong? 160D, at least here wouldn't do that, IIRC. It couldn't figure out what to do with the dashes..

I'd *LOVE* to be wrong.

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001




--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Ziplog Public Port (1:117/3001)

*** Quoting Mark Lewis to Rich Wonneberger dated 07-30-01 ***

typing ATDT#juge.com directly into the terminal screen

using #juge.com in the telephone number field of the phone book

what version of frontdoor are you running?

I wasnt using the T.

that's one thing that'll do it <<GG>>

Now using ATDT# I dont get the error.

good...

Now after a while I get a 'no dial tone' message.

that means that the destination cannot be located... possibly DNS problem...

Does this with a name or IP address.
Now, I'm finding my DSL link may be down. Will have to
continue this one later or tomorrow.

yep, if the link is down, that's what you'll see <<GG>>

Running FD 2.32ml here.
Also, noticed in the Vmodem screen the terminal port goes out
on port 3141. Is this what yours does??

i believe the # tells vmodem.exe to use the vmodem protocol... using nothing should tell it to use the telnet protocol... yep... just tested it manually in the terminal...

)\/(ark


* Origin: (1:3634/12)

*** Quoting Mark Lewis to Rich Wonneberger dated 07-31-01 ***

i believe the # tells vmodem.exe to use the vmodem protocol... using
nothing should tell it to use the telnet protocol... yep... just tested
it manually in the terminal...

Mark,

Can you try 64.214.221.146??
Its my current address. Hopefully it'll stick another day. :}

Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net


... Light and warmth! That's necessary to all humanoids.
---
* Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 845-783-2106 (1:2625/50)

*** Quoting Mark Lewis to Rich Wonneberger dated 07-31-01 ***

i believe the # tells vmodem.exe to use the vmodem protocol... using
nothing should tell it to use the telnet protocol... yep... just tested
it manually in the terminal...

Mark,

Can you try 64.214.221.146??
Its my current address. Hopefully it'll stick another day.
:}

ouch... it's just now the 7th... haven't had much time in front of the box lately... fcompanion keeps me 'occupied' OB-)

)\/(ark


* Origin: (1:3634/12)

That's

To do the "TELNET" part,
one must use a virtual-modem driver called "VMODEM"
that is included with both shareware
AND registered version(S) of sio......

That's exactly what I've been doing. What I'm telling you is that VMODEM does not properly handle the "-" in the number. Here it can only use a period "." for the demark in the 'dialer' address as in 208.180.150.155 and not 208-180-150-155, which it cannot do.

Thus, unless you convert the NodeList somehow from "-" to "." where needed for VMODEM, it won't work and doesn't here.

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001



--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Ziplog Public Port (1:117/3001)

Greetings All!

Has anyone had success with this? I tried upgrading from 2.01 a short time ago, and it complains of "unknown or out of sequence cfg line xxx" for the following statements:

ArcMethod RAR
ArcDiffMethod RAR
ArcExportMethod RAR
PasswordFile C:\BBS\FastList\202\Passwords.Lst
MsgRem SFA
NodeDiff NodeDiff.???
ArcList NodeList.??? 1
ArcDiff NodeDiff.??? 1
ArcListDesc Fidonet Nodelist for day %d ( %a format
ArcDiffDesc Fidonet Nodediff for day %d ( %a format

I verified that my config file is laid out in the same sequence as indicated in
the documentation, verbs are spelled correctly, etc. I'm at a loss... can anyone help?

-Don



... Set Crash=C:\Windows\
---
* Origin: EI/2 [Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada] (1:249/176)

Hello Don!

Tuesday September 25 2001 07:34, you wrote to All:

I tried upgrading from 2.01 a short time ago, and it complains of
"unknown or out of sequence cfg line xxx" for the following
statements:

ArcMethod RAR

[...]

"Upgrading"? I call it a downgrade. ;-)

I verified that my config file is laid out in the same sequence as indicated in the documentation, verbs are spelled correctly, etc. I'm
at a loss... can anyone help?

I had the same experience here. Soon fixed it - went back to 2.01 which *does* work. ;-)


Be lucky,

Neil

--- GoldED+/EMX 1.1.4.4
* Origin: The Electric Pigeon - <01952 590015> (2:250/501)

Hello All!

Does anyone have a location for the sources of this version?

Vince

--- Maximus v3.01/GoldED/2 2.50+#10UK3 under OS/2
* Origin: Air Applewood; OS/2 Gateway to Essex +44-1279-792300 (2:257/609)

*** Quoting Vince Coen from a message to All ***

Does anyone have a location for the sources of this version?

I haven't seen the source for v2.02 but the source for v1.01 can be found at www or ftp.apworks.com.

Ttyl :-),
Al

--- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Vancouver, B.C. Canada (1:153/757)

Greetings Neil!

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Neil Walker
to Don Guy was intercepted...

I had the same experience here. Soon fixed it - went back to 2.01
which *does* work. ;-)

So it isn't just me. I feel better now. :-)

-Don



... Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?
---
* Origin: EI/2 [Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada] (1:249/176)

Greetings Vince!

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Vince Coen to All was intercepted...

Does anyone have a location for the sources of this version?

http://nefpk.8m.com/ is mentioned in the documentation which comes with 2.02.

Whether or not the site still exists, and has the source code in an accessible location, is a matter for someone other than me to investigate. :-)

-Don



... PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.
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