• Mystic on FreeBSD?

    From Bud Spencer@3:770/3 to All on Tue Feb 25 18:05:40 2020
    Haven't been able to find out if Mystic runs on FreeBSD in my brief
    research and thought that I might ask, since thre is other things I need
    to attend.

    Thanks!


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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Bud Spencer on Wed Feb 26 08:33:06 2020
    Hello Bud!

    25 Feb 20 18:05, you wrote to All:

    Haven't been able to find out if Mystic runs on FreeBSD in my brief research and thought that I might ask, since thre is other things I
    need to attend.

    Mystic BBS is a closed source, so IMHO, the only way to run it on a FreeBSD system should be to use the Linux Binary Compatibility on FreeBSD and try to run the Linux 64bit version.

    https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu.html

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Bud Spencer@3:770/3 to Fabio Bizzi on Wed Feb 26 12:43:46 2020
    On Wed, 26 Feb 2020, Fabio Bizzi wrote:

    Mystic BBS is a closed source

    This is coomon knowledge, nothing new about this.

    the only way to run it on a FreeBSD system should be to use the Linux Binary
    Compatibility on FreeBSD and try to run the Linux 64bit version.

    Also this is an option if one wants to go that kind of lenghts. I were
    just thinking if there would be a way to run it natively. Mac OSX is based
    on FBSD anyway, but I haven't been following how much they have infested
    it with their worms.

    Anyway, would be rather nice to have it to run natively on FBSD, but
    apparently there is no way. Have to look a bit more about this when got
    more time.



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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Bud Spencer on Sat Feb 29 19:15:25 2020
    Haven't been able to find out if Mystic runs on FreeBSD in my brief research and thought that I might ask, since thre is other things I need to attend.

    I've only had about 2 or 3 people ask about it over the many years so I haven't ever made the port. I would say its along the lines of OS/2 (OS/2 may even have more people interested) so it has been a low priority for me.

    Have you tried it with Linux compatibility?

    Anyway I am not opposed to the idea and I have considered only releasing some major versions with lesser used OSes like BSD and OS/2 in the future.

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  • From Bud Spencer@3:770/3 to All on Sun Mar 1 02:26:12 2020
    On Sat, 29 Feb 2020, g00r00 wrote:

    I've only had about 2 or 3 people ask about it over the many years so I
    haven't
    ever made the port. I would say its along the lines of OS/2 (OS/2 may even have more people interested) so it has been a low priority for me.

    Understandable for the closed source projects there is need to use limited resources the best and most efficient way. But it's in all projects
    important thing.

    Have you tried it with Linux compatibility?

    No. I haven't tried with anything since this was preliminary inquiry while
    I'm looking into different possibilities and the server I'm possibly
    setting BBS up is running FreeBSD.

    Anyway I am not opposed to the idea and I have considered only releasing some major versions with lesser used OSes like BSD and OS/2 in the future.

    OS/2 would be very good choice! Being user of ArcaOS myself I know there
    would be a lot of people who would like to see this kind of thing happen.

    Keep up the good work!



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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to g00r00 on Tue Mar 3 17:38:27 2020
    Anyway I am not opposed to the idea and I have considered only releasing some major versions with lesser used OSes like BSD and OS/2 in the
    future.

    Would love to see a new version for OS/2 myself...but am a bit away from
    having ArcaOS running smooth enough to having it be like the Windows/Linux/OSX/Pi versions.

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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Don Lowery on Thu Mar 5 14:48:56 2020
    On 03 Mar 2020, Don Lowery said the following...

    Would love to see a new version for OS/2 myself...but am a bit away from having ArcaOS running smooth enough to having it be like the Windows/Linux/OSX/Pi versions.

    Yeah, I fire up the old ArcaOS VM once in a while to do some offline mail reading when I want to get away from doing Windows to do so from time to time :)

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Robert Wolfe on Fri Mar 6 06:34:24 2020
    Yeah, I fire up the old ArcaOS VM once in a while to do some offline mail reading when I want to get away from doing Windows to do so from time to time :)

    Would love to see a full version of WINE/ODIN be implemented. If that were added just like we can with Ubuntu/Mint & such...would be no reason to run Windows. Open up a PM & do your thing.

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  • From Bud Spencer@3:770/3 to Don Lowery on Fri Mar 6 19:20:51 2020
    On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, Don Lowery wrote:

    Would love to see a full version of WINE/ODIN be implemented. If that were added just like we can with Ubuntu/Mint & such...would be no reason to run Windows. Open up a PM & do your thing.

    I have managed 20+ years not running win .. probably my reasons are
    different. Only lately I have been running some toynix distros ... but as
    it happens I just installed OpenBSD to my shiny asus zenbook :)

    But will keep running Pop!_OS as my "desktop" OS for now. This is due photography-thingies and some other things like that are more usable in
    the toynix-land ... those are my reasons not to ditch toynix completely.

    ArcaOS is very usable at the moment. Surprisingly usable in fact taking in account the fact that thye are developing without source code :)

    Binary patching to the victory!


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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Bud Spencer on Fri Mar 6 20:31:39 2020
    it happens I just installed OpenBSD to my shiny asus zenbook :)

    Used to play around with PC-BSD years ago & was surprised being BSD how close to Linux they attempted to get it running in terms of updates & such.

    ArcaOS is very usable at the moment. Surprisingly usable in fact taking
    in account the fact that thye are developing without source code :)
    Binary patching to the victory!

    Saw a video from the head guy. They had to get IBM to agree to allow them to reverse-engineer the code. They do have some smart people...since if they can get ODIN/WINE running as well on ArcaOS as they do on Linux...screw Windows...ArcaOS would become my main OS. Those guys with React can do it...there's no reason why the ArcaOS folks can't...except for MS getting
    their undies in a twist that someone would even attempt it.

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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/18 to Don Lowery on Sat Mar 7 00:01:44 2020
    Don Lowery wrote to g00r00 <=-

    Anyway I am not opposed to the idea and I have considered only releasing some major versions with lesser used OSes like BSD and OS/2 in the
    future.

    Would love to see a new version for OS/2 myself...but am a bit away
    from having ArcaOS running smooth enough to having it be like the Windows/Linux/OSX/Pi versions.

    Have actually thought about seeing if I can locate the last OS/2 version
    g00r00 made and setting it up here on my ArcaOS VM to see how well it
    runs. :)

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Robert Wolfe on Fri Mar 6 23:55:59 2020
    Would love to see a new version for OS/2 myself...but am a bit away
    Have actually thought about seeing if I can locate the last OS/2 version g00r00 made and setting it up here on my ArcaOS VM to see how well it runs. :)

    I have found 1.05-1.07 versions.

    Try these links:
    http://www.dreamlandbbs.com/gfd/ftnbbs/index.html http://archives.thebbs.org/ra103a.htm http://thebbs.org/bbsfaq/ch03.3.3.htm#3.3.03
    http://www.barsoom.cc/mysticbbs/

    I would also ask g00r00 if he may have copies of these as well...know where they can be gotten or be able to put them up for download/freq them to you.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Robert Wolfe on Sat Mar 7 13:25:11 2020
    Have actually thought about seeing if I can locate the last OS/2 version g00r00 made and setting it up here on my ArcaOS VM to see how well it runs. :)

    It would probably be from like 1997 and wouldn't be very good in comparison. I think the last versions were 1.08 alphas (which had like 80 or 90 alpha releases) and they are probably gone forever. If we could find an OS/2 build of one of those it'd probably be relatively stable.

    I think 1.07.3 was the final public OS/2 version and it was also one of the first OS/2 versions so I would guess wasn't very stable or fast.

    On a related note though, I did finally get a suitable copy of OS2 running in a VirtualBox that I could use to port the current 1.12 code to OS/2. Thats not a promise because it will be a LOT of work to do it, but its actually possible now!

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to g00r00 on Sat Mar 7 21:05:00 2020
    On 03-07-20 13:25, g00r00 wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

    On a related note though, I did finally get a suitable copy of OS2
    running in a VirtualBox that I could use to port the current 1.12 code
    to OS/2. Thats not a promise because it will be a LOT of work to do
    it, but its actually possible now!

    Hmm, Mystic 1.12 on OS/2, now I'd consider moving my Mystic system to OS/2 for that, only issue would be how to make it work on IPv6, since that's something OS/2 (and ArcaOS) lacks, but apparently others have worked that out.


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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Tony Langdon on Sat Mar 7 17:56:55 2020
    Hmm, Mystic 1.12 on OS/2, now I'd consider moving my Mystic system to
    OS/2 for that, only issue would be how to make it work on IPv6, since that's something OS/2 (and ArcaOS) lacks, but apparently others have worked that out.

    I'm not sure how that would work. I would guess you'd have to use a separate system that would do IPV6 but trick the application into thinking its IPV4.

    I did spend a couple of hours porting some code to OS/2 just to play around
    and it was frustrating at times because of the lack of API documentation or examples.

    I did manage to get Mystic's MPL script compiler ported though (I figured
    that was the easiest to get done so I started there). A little teaser! :)

    [C:\code\mystic]mplc

    Mystic MPL Compiler v1.12 A46 (OS2/32 2020/03/07 05:23:49)
    Copyright (C) 1997-2020 By James Coyle. All Rights Reserved.

    MPLC [path/file] : Compile one script [path/file]
    MPLC -ALL : Compile all scripts in current directory and subdirectories MPLC -C : Compile all scripts in current directory
    MPLC -P [path] : Compile all scripts in [path]
    MPLC -R [path] : Compile all scripts in [path] and its subdirectories
    MPLC -T : Compile all scripts in Themes directory
    MPLC -F [mask] : Compile all scripts matching [mask] in Themes directory

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  • From Bud Spencer@3:770/3 to Don Lowery on Sun Mar 8 05:45:54 2020
    On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, Don Lowery wrote:

    reverse-engineer the code. They do have some smart people...since if they can get ODIN/WINE running as well on ArcaOS as they do on Linux...screw Windows...ArcaOS would become my main OS. Those guys with React can do it...there's no reason why the ArcaOS folks can't...except for MS getting their undies in a twist that someone would even attempt it.

    But you have to remember that Arca Noae focuses on the OS development ...
    they are not doing software development really. That is done by other
    people so it's community work and people have worked hard to keep stuff
    going. We are getting new browser soonish, since FF is getting old and not
    some sites start to be unusable ...

    Anyway. When they get next release of ArcaOS out they have UEFI boots and
    all that. Then it's going to be very very much on the good side IMO.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 8 16:48:00 2020
    On 03-07-20 17:56, g00r00 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Hmm, Mystic 1.12 on OS/2, now I'd consider moving my Mystic system to
    OS/2 for that, only issue would be how to make it work on IPv6, since that's something OS/2 (and ArcaOS) lacks, but apparently others have worked that out.

    I'm not sure how that would work. I would guess you'd have to use a separate system that would do IPV6 but trick the application into
    thinking its IPV4.

    Yeah I can't recall how it was done, but someone did claim to have an OS/2 system that could be reached by IPv6 and also connect to IPv6 hosts.

    I did spend a couple of hours porting some code to OS/2 just to play around and it was frustrating at times because of the lack of API documentation or examples.

    Hmm, yeah, that would make it tough. :/

    I did manage to get Mystic's MPL script compiler ported though (I
    figured that was the easiest to get done so I started there). A little teaser! :)

    Might as well start with the low hanging fruit and work from there. ;)

    [C:\code\mystic]mplc

    Mystic MPL Compiler v1.12 A46 (OS2/32 2020/03/07 05:23:49)
    Copyright (C) 1997-2020 By James Coyle. All Rights Reserved.

    MPLC [path/file] : Compile one script [path/file]
    MPLC -ALL : Compile all scripts in current directory and subdirectories MPLC -C : Compile all scripts in current
    directory MPLC -P [path] : Compile all scripts in [path]
    MPLC -R [path] : Compile all scripts in [path] and its subdirectories MPLC -T : Compile all scripts in Themes directory
    MPLC -F [mask] : Compile all scripts matching [mask] in Themes
    directory

    Cool! :)


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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Tony Langdon on Sun Mar 8 15:27:38 2020
    I did manage to get Mystic's MPL script compiler ported though (I figured that was the easiest to get done so I started there). A litt teaser! :)

    Might as well start with the low hanging fruit and work from there. ;)

    Yeah thats what I figured I'd do so I didn't get too discouraged.

    I just spent about 7 hours working on it I got a little caught up :)

    I can now log into the BBS locally and most of the BBS functions are working.

    None of the really hard stuff is working though and not even close to it (all of the servers, SSL, echomail stuff, etc). Still a lot more to go.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 8 19:57:00 2020
    On 03-08-20 15:27, g00r00 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I did manage to get Mystic's MPL script compiler ported though (I figured that was the easiest to get done so I started there). A litt teaser! :)

    Might as well start with the low hanging fruit and work from there. ;)

    Yeah thats what I figured I'd do so I didn't get too discouraged.

    I just spent about 7 hours working on it I got a little caught up :)

    I can now log into the BBS locally and most of the BBS functions are working.

    None of the really hard stuff is working though and not even close to
    it (all of the servers, SSL, echomail stuff, etc). Still a lot more to go.

    Still, that's impressive progress, well I'm impressed, given that it is a major task with limited information.


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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Tony Langdon on Sun Mar 8 09:02:39 2020
    Hello Tony!

    08 Mar 20 16:48, you wrote to g00r00:

    Yeah I can't recall how it was done, but someone did claim to have an
    OS/2 system that could be reached by IPv6 and also connect to IPv6
    hosts.

    Tommi Koivula at 1:221/360 has it running. IIRC he's got a Windows server acting as an inbound portproxy, and uses the outbound proxy support in binkd to handle outgoing IPv6 nodes.

    Andrew

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Andrew Leary on Mon Mar 9 07:59:00 2020
    On 03-08-20 09:02, Andrew Leary wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yeah I can't recall how it was done, but someone did claim to have an
    OS/2 system that could be reached by IPv6 and also connect to IPv6
    hosts.

    Tommi Koivula at 1:221/360 has it running. IIRC he's got a Windows
    server acting as an inbound portproxy, and uses the outbound proxy
    support in binkd to handle outgoing IPv6 nodes.

    Yeah, I can see that working. I'd be more likely to use Linux for the proxies, but it does at least give me some ideas.


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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 8 22:23:28 2020
    I did spend a couple of hours porting some code to OS/2 just to play around and it was frustrating at times because of the lack of API documentation or examples.

    You just mentioned one of the main issues the developers of ArcaOS had run into. According to them & IBM...they had so many different parts from
    different sources to make the whole thing work that very few alive/kicking
    know who these sources were.

    Remember thinking when I saw this interview was if so many corporations were/are running OS/2-AcraOS with what you/others have run into...just wondering why it was never abandoned years ago.

    Want to wish you all the luck there is on this version...as well as the
    others versions you want to work on.

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Bud Spencer on Sun Mar 8 22:30:34 2020
    it...there's no reason why the ArcaOS folks can't...except for MS gettin their undies in a twist that someone would even attempt it.
    But you have to remember that Arca Noae focuses on the OS development ... they are not doing software development really. That is done by other people so it's community work and people have worked hard to keep stuff

    If I hadn't seen that interview with the guy who runs Arca Noae...with all
    the stuff Sean has been putting out there...wouldn't have bought it or the ThinkCentre. Guess saying if I didn't see the progress...wouldn't have spent the money.

    Anyway. When they get next release of ArcaOS out they have UEFI boots and all that. Then it's going to be very very much on the good side IMO.

    Oh yeah! I would love to be able to replace Windows 10 with ArcaOS...if the compatibility with Linux/Windows apps were available. For instance...would
    love to get Chromium/Handbrake/Skype & such running on ArcaOS for a native or compatible versions. Add to that many business might consider it as well it their software could run on it.

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Andrew Leary on Sun Mar 8 22:33:58 2020
    Tommi Koivula at 1:221/360 has it running. IIRC he's got a Windows
    server acting as an inbound portproxy, and uses the outbound proxy
    support in binkd to handle outgoing IPv6 nodes.

    Just got a wild hair while reading this. Could you do the same thing with a Raspberry Pi...rather than a Windows box? Know it would take work...but I've read how some are using the Pi as firewalls & such.

    If I'm crazy...I learned it watching Chicago TV in the 70's with Crazy Eddie
    I believe. ;)

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Don Lowery on Mon Mar 9 12:49:25 2020
    Remember thinking when I saw this interview was if so many corporations were/are running OS/2-AcraOS with what you/others have run into...just wondering why it was never abandoned years ago.

    If I am not misunderstood pretty much every ATM is (was) powered by OS/2 at
    the time and that was the primary thing keeping it going. I can think of two reasons:

    1) The ATMs works fine
    2) It costs a lot of money to redevelop and redeploy all of those ATM
    systems all over the world.

    I suspect it was just a matter of "if it aint broke don't fix it" so they can either spend hundreds of millions of dollars to replace them without really gaining anything. Or they can wait for the hardware to die and replace them with something running Windows or Linux.

    I'm not sure how many corporations were using OS/2. I never saw anyone using it but I am a little too young I guess to see it in the corporate world. I didn't really get to see inside any big companies until the mid 2000s.

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to g00r00 on Mon Mar 9 03:49:37 2020
    Hello g00r00!

    09 Mar 20 12:49, you wrote to Don Lowery:

    If I am not misunderstood pretty much every ATM is (was) powered by
    OS/2 at the time and that was the primary thing keeping it going. I
    can think of two
    reasons:

    1) The ATMs works fine
    2) It costs a lot of money to redevelop and redeploy all of those ATM systems all over the world.

    You are correct that ATMs were big users of OS/2.

    I suspect it was just a matter of "if it aint broke don't fix it" so
    they can either spend hundreds of millions of dollars to replace them without really gaining anything. Or they can wait for the hardware to
    die and replace them with something running Windows or Linux.

    I'm not sure how many corporations were using OS/2. I never saw
    anyone using it but I am a little too young I guess to see it in the corporate world. I didn't really get to see inside any big companies until the mid 2000s.

    The US Postal Service and the old Grossman's home improvement chain in the Northeast US are 2 examples I've seen.

    Andrew

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to g00r00 on Mon Mar 9 12:35:18 2020
    If I am not misunderstood pretty much every ATM is (was) powered by OS/2
    at the time and that was the primary thing keeping it going.

    Let's limit that to "every ATM in North America".

    Here in Europe I've seen XP. Automated ticket-machines for trains here also run
    XP. As well as ticket machines for regional public transport.

    I can think of two reasons:

    1) The ATMs works fine

    Correct. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. You mentioned it.

    2) It costs a lot of money to redevelop and redeploy all of those ATM systems all over the world.

    Again ... North America ...

    I'm not sure how many corporations were using OS/2.

    I come forth from the telecom-industry and what I saw was that OS/2 was nowhere
    even considered.

    Little known to many but most in-flight entertainment systems on aircraft run on Linux.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 9 19:14:00 2020
    Let's limit that to "every ATM in North America".

    A quick Wikipedia shows that it was America, Iran, Brazil, Austrailia for ATMs.

    US, UK used it for public transportation systems (apparently NYC still does but London replaced it)

    It was used to run Supermarkets too apparently.

    Howard Stern ran his radio show with it lol.

    Here in Europe I've seen XP. Automated ticket-machines for trains here also run XP. As well as ticket machines for regional public transport.

    Ouch XP was good, but it wasn't THAT stable.

    Little known to many but most in-flight entertainment systems on
    aircraft run on Linux.

    That is what it feels like to me. A Linux that someone did a crappy job of trying to make it have a smooth touch UI like Android! Although that just might be limited hardware in those devices making it run like poop.

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  • From Netsurge@1:229/101 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 9 10:03:08 2020
    Let's limit that to "every ATM in North America".

    Let's limit that to "United States" as most major banks in Canada have
    already developed new UI software for their ATMs that isn't running OS/2.

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to g00r00 on Mon Mar 9 22:11:48 2020
    If I am not misunderstood pretty much every ATM is (was) powered by OS/2 at the time and that was the primary thing keeping it going. I can
    think of two reasons:
    1) The ATMs works fine
    2) It costs a lot of money to redevelop and redeploy all of those ATM systems all over the world.

    Anymore...they are running Windows. Saw one which needed rebooting & was
    stuck on a bare desktop.

    I'm not sure how many corporations were using OS/2. I never saw anyone using it but I am a little too young I guess to see it in the corporate world. I didn't really get to see inside any big companies until the
    mid 2000s.

    Remember when I helped as a temp in setting up a bunch of PC's on a token
    ring network at a call center for Ford back in the early 90's in Oklahoma
    City. Much more recently...was at the DMV in Kingman, AZ & saw their systems. Running Warp with that unmistakable desktop.

    Have a feeling much of Arca's funding is coming from businesses still running the OS. With a server available for $999 to purchase...I suspect that my purchase & those just like mine keep hobbyists happy. If just one of us make
    a suggestion to buy that server...makes everyone happy.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Ward Dossche on Tue Mar 10 21:50:00 2020
    On 03-09-20 12:35, Ward Dossche wrote to g00r00 <=-

    If I am not misunderstood pretty much every ATM is (was) powered by OS/2
    at the time and that was the primary thing keeping it going.

    Let's limit that to "every ATM in North America".

    Yep. I'm sure I've seen a Windows error message on an ATM in Australia.

    Here in Europe I've seen XP. Automated ticket-machines for trains here also run XP. As well as ticket machines for regional public transport.

    Don't know what the ticket machines run here, but the live tram arrival boards in central Melbourne run Linux - I've seen one start up, with the unmistakable penguins. :) Another point of interest is their monitors are actually mounted upside down, and the information screen is inverted by the system, so it's displayed the right way up.

    Little known to many but most in-flight entertainment systems on
    aircraft run on Linux.

    Interesting, but Linux is a logical choice - it can be tweaked to suit specific applications.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to g00r00 on Tue Mar 10 21:52:00 2020
    On 03-09-20 19:14, g00r00 wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

    Let's limit that to "every ATM in North America".

    A quick Wikipedia shows that it was America, Iran, Brazil, Austrailia
    for ATMs.

    I think our OS/2 ATMs are long gone, from what I've seen, but I could be wrong.


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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Tony Langdon on Tue Mar 10 19:06:07 2020
    A quick Wikipedia shows that it was America, Iran, Brazil, Austrailia for ATMs.

    I think our OS/2 ATMs are long gone, from what I've seen, but I could be wrong.

    Yeah I have no idea if any of it is still in operation, but that was just
    where it was used over its history. It did mention some dates and stuff but
    I only really skimmed the article to get an idea of some of the ways OS/2 was used.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to g00r00 on Tue Mar 10 21:17:22 2020
    On 09 Mar 2020, g00r00 said the following...

    Ouch XP was good, but it wasn't THAT stable.

    Embedded XP was OK, much better than the consumer facing versions.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to g00r00 on Wed Mar 11 12:55:00 2020
    On 03-10-20 19:06, g00r00 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    A quick Wikipedia shows that it was America, Iran, Brazil, Austrailia for ATMs.

    I think our OS/2 ATMs are long gone, from what I've seen, but I could be wrong.

    Yeah I have no idea if any of it is still in operation, but that was
    just where it was used over its history. It did mention some dates and stuff but I only really skimmed the article to get an idea of some of
    the ways OS/2 was used.

    I do know OS/2 _was_ popular in ATMs and some other infrastructure. POS systems come to mind too.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Richard Miles on Wed Mar 11 07:51:48 2020
    Ouch XP was good, but it wasn't THAT stable.

    Embedded XP was OK, much better than the consumer facing versions.

    I'm still using it on video-editing platforms. Works like a charm.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Ward Dossche on Wed Mar 11 10:18:34 2020
    On 11 Mar 2020, Ward Dossche said the following...

    I'm still using it on video-editing platforms. Works like a charm.

    We have just recently started converting the systems in our stores from XP to Win10 recently and that only because of hardware and our company's supplier.
    Of course we ran DOS until shortly after I left and came back out into operations in 2003. Finally started rolling out the XP boxes in 2005.

    The probably would still be on DOS but it was getting harder to find modems
    in bulk and I was the only one left that had any sort of experience with MS-DOS. The girl I trained as my replacement just had no clue.

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Richard Miles on Wed Mar 11 23:38:31 2020
    Ouch XP was good, but it wasn't THAT stable.

    Embedded XP was OK, much better than the consumer facing versions.

    I see. I have had zero experience with that but I'll take your word for it.

    I think a lot of the XP issues were probably drivers anyway.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Richard Miles on Wed Mar 11 22:10:09 2020
    I'm still using it on video-editing platforms. Works like a charm.

    We have just recently started converting the systems in our stores from
    XP to
    Win10 recently and that only because of hardware and our company's supplier.

    I shifted away from XP on some systems because of new hardware that couldn't handle it. A resource problem on the newer motherboards.

    But I kept functional older PCs, in good condition, and intend to backtrack to XP for Fido-operations before this next summer.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to g00r00 on Wed Mar 11 22:16:07 2020
    I think a lot of the XP issues were probably drivers anyway.

    That could very well be ... also hardware too old or too advanced or memory issues to run XP...

    Personally XP never bothered me.

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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Andrew Leary on Thu Mar 19 09:51:06 2020
    Andrew Leary wrote to g00r00 <=-

    The US Postal Service and the old Grossman's home improvement chain in
    the Northeast US are 2 examples I've seen.

    There was a hardware store in Western NY state called Mr. Seconds that
    had OS/2 Warp 3-based POS terminals.

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  • From Michael J. Ryan@3:770/3 to Tony Langdon on Sat Mar 21 04:24:50 2020
    On 3/10/2020 4:55 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:

    I do know OS/2 _was_ popular in ATMs and some other infrastructure.
    POS systems come to mind too.

    It wasn... a lot of it is now Windows versions... though some of the
    work is now moving to Linux. For some hardware, drivers are still an
    issue for custom, or low-volume hardware which is mostly tethered to
    windows.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michael J. Ryan on Sun Mar 22 12:03:00 2020
    On 03-21-20 04:24, Michael J. Ryan wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    On 3/10/2020 4:55 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:

    I do know OS/2 _was_ popular in ATMs and some other infrastructure.
    POS systems come to mind too.

    It wasn... a lot of it is now Windows versions... though some of the
    work is now moving to Linux. For some hardware, drivers are still an issue for custom, or low-volume hardware which is mostly tethered to windows.

    Yes, I've seen evidence of Windows in things like ATMs and public information boards - usually when there's some sort of error.

    As I've said previously, the information boards for the trams in central Melbourne actually run Linux. I once saw one of them booting, and the familiar penguins appeared on the screen. :)


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  • From Michael J. Ryan@3:770/3 to Tony Langdon on Thu Mar 26 03:58:02 2020
    On 3/21/2020 4:03 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:
    It was... a lot of it is now Windows versions... though some of the
    work is now moving to Linux. For some hardware, drivers are still an
    issue for custom, or low-volume hardware which is mostly tethered to windows.

    Yes, I've seen evidence of Windows in things like ATMs and public information boards - usually when there's some sort of error.

    As I've said previously, the information boards for the trams in central Melbourne actually run Linux. I once saw one of them booting, and the
    familiar
    penguins appeared on the screen. :)

    That's cool... I've done work (a while ago) in both windows and linux
    embedded software, not lately. Where I work now we have a few systems
    that are Windows based and one that is Linux (pi) based. They're
    centered around print and mail sorting hardware. I don't work on these projects though, I'm mostly working on full-stack and front end focused
    dev these days.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michael J. Ryan on Fri Mar 27 17:03:00 2020
    On 03-26-20 03:58, Michael J. Ryan wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Melbourne actually run Linux. I once saw one of them booting, and the
    familiar
    penguins appeared on the screen. :)

    That's cool... I've done work (a while ago) in both windows and linux embedded software, not lately. Where I work now we have a few systems that are Windows based and one that is Linux (pi) based. They're centered around print and mail sorting hardware. I don't work on these projects though, I'm mostly working on full-stack and front end focused dev these days.

    Cool, keeps you out of trouble. Hmm, I always prefer the back end to the front end systems, dealing with users is always a pain! :/


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