• Alec Baldwin SHOOTS DEAD crew member with prop gun in freak "accident"

    From August Abolins@2:460/256 to All on Fri Oct 22 15:20:42 2021
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    Alec Baldwin SHOOTS DEAD crew member with prop gun in freak "accident"

    A cinematographer has died after being shot on set with a prop gun by Alec Baldwin while filming a Western in New Mexico, passing away later in hospital, while the director was left injured in the incident.

    Police refrained from calling it an accident as detectives investigate how and what type of ammunition was fired. No charges have been filed yet, while an apparently distraught Baldwin has been interviewed by investigators.

    Baldwin's character in the movie Rust - which he had also been producing - breaks his grandson out of prison after the youngster is sentenced to death for an accidental murder.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Sat Oct 23 11:20:00 2021
    A cinematographer has died after being shot on set with a prop gun by Alec Bal
    in while filming a Western in New Mexico, passing away later in hospital, whil
    the director was left injured in the incident.

    I have wondered how the off-screen personnel were in the line of fire, even
    if it was a prop gun supposedly loaded with a blank? I was always taught
    never to point any loaded, unloaded, or loaded-with-blanks gun at a person.

    Sounds like someone was standing where they should not have been. :(
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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Mike Powell on Sat Oct 23 22:43:51 2021
    Hi Mike,
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    A cinematographer has died after being shot on set with a prop gun by Alec Bal
    in while filming a Western in New Mexico, passing away later in hospital, whil
    the director was left injured in the incident.
    I have wondered how the off-screen personnel were in the line of fire, even
    if it was a prop gun supposedly loaded with a blank? I was always taught never to point any loaded, unloaded, or loaded-with-blanks gun at a person.
    Sounds like someone was standing where they should not have been. :(

    I've seen films where the gunman would appear to be shooting directly at the camera. Maybe that's the effect that they were trying to achieve here?

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  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Mike Powell on Sat Oct 23 22:15:00 2021
    Sounds like someone was standing where they should not have been. :(

    Another thing.. what is real ammo doing on a movie set?

    Based on some initial reports, it sounds like that some
    employees on the set were unhappy about some conditions.. and
    therefore maybe someone thought it was a smart idea to plant a
    real bullet in a prop gun to prove a point?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Sun Oct 24 09:54:00 2021
    Sounds like someone was standing where they should not have been. :(

    Another thing.. what is real ammo doing on a movie set?

    Based on some initial reports, it sounds like that some
    employees on the set were unhappy about some conditions.. and
    therefore maybe someone thought it was a smart idea to plant a
    real bullet in a prop gun to prove a point?

    If that is the case, that someone substituted real for fake ammo, it could
    just as easily be that they brought the real thing in themselves.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 25 17:39:14 2021
    ..maybe someone thought it was a smart idea to
    plant a real bullet in a prop gun to prove a point?
    If that is the case, that someone substituted real for
    fake ammo, it could just as easily be that they brought
    the real thing in themselves.

    I reserve judgment to all the facts are in but this is what is known so far:
    1. The gun was being used for "target practice" during off filming hours. This is a major no-no. A gun used for a movie is supposed to be locked down when not being used for scene.
    2. Union members had walked off the set earlier to what they sited as unsafe conditions. (Those conditions where not specified in the news story)

    A full investigation needs to take place and any parties that did not properly follow the rules for gun safety on a movie set need to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Jeff Squires on Mon Oct 25 18:55:00 2021
    Hello Jeff!

    ** On Monday 25.10.21 - 17:39, you wrote:

    I reserve judgment to all the facts are in but this is
    what is known so far: 1. The gun was being used for
    "target practice" during off filming hours. This is a
    major no-no. A gun used for a movie is supposed to be
    locked down when not being used for scene. 2. Union
    members had walked off the set earlier to what they sited
    as unsafe conditions. (Those conditions where not
    specified in the news story)

    Despite [1] and [2], there was nothing to preclude Alec to
    check the gun himself too. Wouldn't blanks have a distinctive
    look compared to live ammo?


    ..and any parties that did not properly follow the rules
    for gun safety on a movie set need to be charged with
    involuntary manslaughter.

    That sounds logical.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to August Abolins on Tue Oct 26 16:09:05 2021
    Despite [1] and [2], there was nothing to preclude Alec to
    check the gun himself too. Wouldn't blanks have a distinctive
    look compared to live ammo?

    Apparently the head gaffer was there and said the person who handed the gun to Alec Baldwin should have checked the gun. In answer to your question Yes you can tell blanks from live rounds as blanks have no bullet in the end of the casing. Now here is rub, firing blanks can be as dangerous as firing a live round. When the blank fires it opens the end of the casing and the hot gas is ejected out the end of the barrel. There can be shrapnel from the casing also ejected and the hot cases do have a concussive effect an actor on a set in 1984 was goofing around with his prop weapon stuck it to his temple and pulled the trigger. The concussion from the blank fractured his skull and he died 5 days later in a hospital.

    Again let's wait to see what the official report says and go from there.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Tue Oct 26 17:24:00 2021
    I'm surprised why anyone wouldn't check and double-check what's
    loaded in the gun? Open it up, spin it around, observe how many
    rounds are in there, and... if there are blanks, wouldn't they
    look different from live rounds?

    Not sure about the calibre in question but, from the rear of the chamber,
    the .22 blanks I have seen look like the real thing. You have to take them
    out to really see they are not much more than crimped caps.


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Mike Powell on Sun Oct 24 18:38:00 2021
    Hello Mike!

    ** On Sunday 24.10.21 - 09:54, you wrote:

    ..maybe someone thought it was a smart idea to
    plant a real bullet in a prop gun to prove a point?

    If that is the case, that someone substituted real for
    fake ammo, it could just as easily be that they brought
    the real thing in themselves.

    I'm surprised why anyone wouldn't check and double-check what's
    loaded in the gun? Open it up, spin it around, observe how many
    rounds are in there, and... if there are blanks, wouldn't they
    look different from live rounds?

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