• Linux from scratch

    From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jan 2 11:34:54 2023
    Hello Maurice,

    I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15 and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

    I have no network support since I haven't yet installed a config in /etc/sysconfig. When booting and udev starts up I see it has loaded the e1001e module and that is what I need for network support. I just need to add a *.eth0 to setup the network (I think).

    The lfs website has an example config but it uses static IPs and mine is dynamic, my slackware setup gets the IP with dhcpcd but I don't see a network config file for it, so I'm not sure what it would look like.

    I wonder if I need to install and setup dhcpcd (beyond lfs talks about that) but I wonder if I can use the current setup to get my IP from dhcp?

    Any advice?

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Alan Ianson on Mon Jan 2 19:37:53 2023
    Hey Alan!

    I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2,
    bash 5.2.15 and a recent version of vim.

    I just booted kv-6.1.2 early yesterday morning;
    :r !cat /proc/version | sed 's/^/ > /'
    Linux version 6.1.2 (root@motorshed) (gcc (GCC) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.39) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sun Jan 1 05:22:50 UTC 2023

    What a beautiful thing.. :)

    Agreed. As far as I am concerned it is the absolute best thing that happened to any computer.

    I just need to add a *.eth0 to setup the network (I think).

    Yes. On the three lfs systems here, there are two - eth0 and eth1. One is for static IPs on cable, the other for my wired private network. Also wireless hostapd but those are customized setups with their very own extra-special rc scripts. If you want to have a looksee at any of the /etc/sysconfig/ifconfig.eth? don't hesitate to ask and I can netmail then to you. However I think they are pretty straqight forward once you see them in action.

    but it uses static IPs and mine is dynamic, my slackware setup
    gets the IP with dhcpcd

    Right. See https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/dhcpcd.html for all the gory details. It isn't installed by LFS so you'll need to add it following the BLFS instructions. Same with wpa_supplicant for automagic wireless configurations for client systems.

    I wonder if I need to install and setup dhcpcd

    Yes you do. I think https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/dhcpcd.html is the answer to all your questions but if not I believe I have some insight that will take it over the top.

    WARNING: LFS is extremely addictive.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Andrew Alt@1:261/38 to Alan Ianson on Wed Feb 22 23:33:20 2023
    Alan Ianson wrote to Maurice Kinal <=-

    Hello Maurice,

    I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15
    and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

    Looks like I missed the party (just going through some recent history from this echo now).

    But congrats, Alan!


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Andrew Alt on Thu Feb 23 02:08:26 2023
    I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15
    and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

    Looks like I missed the party (just going through some recent history from this echo now).

    I'm still partying, so feel free to join in!

    But congrats, Alan!

    I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

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  • From Andrew Alt@1:261/38 to Alan Ianson on Thu Feb 23 15:17:26 2023
    Alan Ianson wrote to Andrew Alt <=-

    I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15
    and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

    Looks like I missed the party (just going through some recent history from this echo now).

    I'm still partying, so feel free to join in!

    Ok, Alan, I'll try to keep up. :)

    But congrats, Alan!

    I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
    never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

    Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Andrew Alt on Thu Feb 23 15:02:56 2023
    I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
    never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

    Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?

    Not yet but it is on my todo list. I need that terminal for zmodem and friends.

    I plan to grab the sources and patches from the slackware source tree for minicom and lrzsz. I had a look at the SlackBuild but I got lost in there so I need to sit down and work it out.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Andrew Alt on Fri Feb 24 04:12:06 2023
    I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
    never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

    Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?

    I did. I'm logged in with minicom now using modemu2k and just tested a couple downloads.

    Works like a champ!

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  • From Andy Alt to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 26 14:22:00 2023
    Alan Ianson wrote to Andrew Alt <=-

    I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
    never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

    Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?

    I did. I'm logged in with minicom now using modemu2k and just tested a couple downloads.

    Works like a champ!

    Awesome!

    But I doubt I'll be maintaining modemu2k much longer. Syncterm is superior and I don't think
    I'll have the interest or motivation to implement ssh support for modemu2k.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Andy Alt on Sun Feb 26 14:57:53 2023
    Hello Andy,

    But I doubt I'll be maintaining modemu2k much longer.

    I'm not sure that anyone cares about such things anymore, but I do.

    I'm not sure there is much to be done with modemu2k now but I hope you can keep an eye on it.

    Syncterm is superior and I don't think I'll have the interest or motivation to implement ssh support for modemu2k.

    I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here without xorg and friends.

    I have xorg and friends installed now so I'm sure I can get it done but minicom is working for me anyway.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Andy Alt to Alan Ianson on Thu Mar 2 03:28:00 2023
    Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

    I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for
    me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here without xorg and friends.

    On your LFS system?

    What if you do this? (or is this what you did?)

    Download syncterm-1.1-src.tgz from the official project page
    Extract the source
    From the root of the source directory, cd to 'src/syncterm'
    enter in 'make RELEASE=1

    That should build the syncterm binary in

    src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release

    For me, it's not linking to any xorg or SDL2 libs:

    ldd syncterm
    linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe9cfce000)
    libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f550d9b8000)
    libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f550d9b3000)
    libncursesw.so.6 => /lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007f550d975000)
    libtinfo.so.6 => /lib64/libtinfo.so.6 (0x00007f550d944000)
    libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f550d7fc000)
    libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f550d7db000)
    libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f550d5fa000)
    /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f550d9cf000)

    Though I didn't do that in LFS, I did it in the slackware-build-essential docker container (https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/andy5995/slackware-build-essential/general)

    I have xorg and friends installed now so I'm sure I can get it done but minicom is working for me anyway.

    Nice to hear!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Andy Alt on Thu Mar 2 03:18:32 2023
    I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for
    me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here
    without xorg and friends.

    On your LFS system?

    Yes, it wouldn't build for me and I was short of time then to have a closer look.

    What if you do this? (or is this what you did?)

    Download syncterm-1.1-src.tgz from the official project page
    Extract the source
    From the root of the source directory, cd to 'src/syncterm'
    enter in 'make RELEASE=1

    Yes, that's the way I have always built syncterm. Usually I also do "sudo make install" when make is done and I am good to go.

    That should build the syncterm binary in

    src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release

    Yes. When I build syncterm an a machine with out xorg or SDL it runs fine from the console. It doesn't have any desktop support (which is also nice) but works fine from the console.

    For me, it's not linking to any xorg or SDL2 libs:

    ldd syncterm
    linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe9cfce000)
    libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f550d9b8000)
    libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f550d9b3000)
    libncursesw.so.6 => /lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007f550d975000) libtinfo.so.6 => /lib64/libtinfo.so.6 (0x00007f550d944000)
    libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f550d7fc000)
    libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f550d7db000)
    libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f550d5fa000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f550d9cf000)

    Though I didn't do that in LFS, I did it in the slackware-build-essential docker container
    (https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/andy5995/slackware-build-essential/g
    neral)

    I wish I would have dug in a bit more but I'll do that on the next go around.

    I have xorg and friends installed now so I'm sure I can get it done but
    minicom is working for me anyway.

    Nice to hear!

    Yep, I like minicom. I am about to get xmms installed. It needs an older version of glib installed. The source and a bunch of patches live in the slackware tree so I'll go grab it from there and try my luck.

    I usually use vlc or audacious but xmms is nice too.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Andy Alt on Thu Mar 2 03:54:12 2023
    I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for
    me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here
    without xorg and friends.

    On your LFS system?

    I just tried again to get syncterm installed. The build fails for me on lfs for reasons unknown.

    The build of cryptlib fails I think, make doesn't even get to syncterm itself.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Alan Ianson on Thu Mar 2 08:19:58 2023
    Hey Alan!

    I wish I would have dug in a bit more but I'll do that on the
    next go around.

    I believe that a major issue is libtinfo.so.6 which is not included in a stock lfs build.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Mar 2 08:45:42 2023
    I wish I would have dug in a bit more but I'll do that on the
    next go around.

    I believe that a major issue is libtinfo.so.6 which is not included in a stock lfs build.

    That may well be it. I see libtinfo in Andy's ldd output of syncterm.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alan Ianson on Thu Mar 2 16:50:17 2023
    Hey Alan!

    That may well be it. I see libtinfo in Andy's ldd output of
    syncterm.

    He must have an older version since the source I just dl'ed builds fine and has no shared ncurses libraries linked.

    I didn't try it since I already have the terminal I require and have for decades now. /usr/share/terminfo/l/linux is your friend.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Mar 2 09:05:30 2023
    That may well be it. I see libtinfo in Andy's ldd output of
    syncterm.

    He must have an older version since the source I just dl'ed builds fine and had no shared ncurses libraries linked.

    Did you build syncterm successfully?

    I didn't try it since I already have the terminal I require and have for decades now. /usr/share/terminfo/l/linux is your friend.

    I use ssh when it's avalable and plain old telnet when it's not.

    I only need minicom or syncterm if I need to grab files with zmodem.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Alan Ianson on Thu Mar 2 09:34:11 2023
    Hey Alan!

    Did you build syncterm successfully?

    Yes. I nabbed https://syncterm.bbsdev.net/syncterm-src.tgz a little while ago, and it unpacked to ./syncterm-20230302 which looks current. Here are some gory details;

    :r !ldd ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm | sed 's/\t/ /'
    linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe96f4f000)
    libncursesw.so.6 => /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007fefe1f8a000)
    libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0x00007fefe1eab000)
    libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007fefe1cca000)
    /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fefea75f000)

    Looks like I was mistaken about the shared ncurses but at least libtinfo isn't one of them.

    I use ssh when it's avalable and plain old telnet when it's not.

    I only used telnet the other day which is the first time in AGES. I used to use telnet (rlogin before that) back in a time long, long ago in a land far, far away.

    I only need minicom or syncterm if I need to grab files with
    zmodem.

    Okay. Does that happen often?

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Mar 2 10:59:38 2023
    Looks like I was mistaken about the shared ncurses but at least libtinfo isn't one of them.

    That's interesting. I have been using the 1.1 version because of reported upload bugs but hat is old and they are likely solved now.

    I'll grab that version and try again.

    I use ssh when it's avalable and plain old telnet when it's not.

    I only used telnet the other day which is the first time in AGES. I used to use telnet (rlogin before that) back in a time long, long ago in a land far, far away.

    I don't use it often anymore but once in a while.

    I only need minicom or syncterm if I need to grab files with
    zmodem.

    Okay. Does that happen often?

    Not often no. Usually there are other options like ftp but there are times when zmodem is the only option.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Mar 2 11:29:56 2023
    Yes. I nabbed https://syncterm.bbsdev.net/syncterm-src.tgz a little while ago and it unpacked to ./syncterm-20230302 which looks current. Here are some gory details;

    :r !ldd ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.
    debug/syncterm | sed 's/\t/ /'
    linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe96f4f000)
    libncursesw.so.6 => /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007fefe1f8a000)
    libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0x00007fefe1eab000)
    libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007fefe1cca000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fefea75f000)

    I tried to build this version and it is also failing here the same as the 1.1 version.

    In both cases there is a fatal error early in the build of cryptlib because it fails to find cryptlib.h.

    It says no such file or directory. I wonder why it's failing here?

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Alan Ianson on Thu Mar 2 19:48:18 2023
    Hey Alan!

    In both cases there is a fatal error early in the build of
    cryptlib because it fails to find cryptlib.

    find shows it located in ./3rdp/src/cl/cryptlib.h.

    It says no such file or directory. I wonder why it's failing
    here?

    Not sure but it might be something to do with your path. See COMPILNG in the syncterm directory of the source. It mentions setting up SRC_ROOT in the commandline. I didn't have to do that here and simply switched to the directory ./syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/ and run make. Also I haven't bothered installing it anywhere.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Mar 2 14:14:04 2023
    It says no such file or directory. I wonder why it's failing
    here?

    Not sure but it might be something to do with your path. See COMPILNG in the syncterm directory of the source. It mentions setting up SRC_ROOT in the commandline. I didn't have to do that here and simply switched to the directory ./syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/ and run make. Also I haven't bothered installing it anywhere.

    I moved my /etc/profile out of the way and then it built fine. Something in there (I'm not sure what) was stepping on us.

    The above version did, the 1.1 version got past the cryptlib.h issue but failed to build syncterm further on. I'm not sure why.

    It doesn't run here but I'll see if I can massage that some other time. ;)

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Alan Ianson on Thu Mar 2 20:18:34 2023
    Hey Alan!

    It doesn't run here but I'll see if I can massage that some other
    time. ;)

    Sounds like a plan.

    Personally I don't have a use/need for it and the below bothers me enough to call it a day;

    :r !ls -alh ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 maurice users 4.9M Mar 2 11:40 /home/maurice/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm

    :r !ls -alh /usr/bin/telnet
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 139K Mar 1 04:34 /usr/bin/telnet

    Hm ... over 4.8M just to get zmodem?!?!?!?! ;-)

    It ain't gonna happen.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Mar 3 14:09:42 2023
    Hm ... over 4.8M just to get zmodem?!?!?!?! ;-)

    Strip it!

    It's only useful if you have a use for it.

    But if you need a terminal syncterm is a good one. A lot of BBSs are very retro. They still use a lot of cp437 encoded ansi. Syncterm can present them as expected even on a utf8 terminal.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Alan Ianson on Fri Mar 3 15:10:56 2023
    Hey Alan!

    Strip it!

    It is/was. Here is the evidence;

    :r !file ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm | sed 's/^/ /'
    /home/maurice/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 4.14.0, stripped

    Note the "stripped" at the end of the line.

    A lot of BBSs are very retro.

    You forgot to mention "hotbeds of activity". :::wink, wink, knudge, knudge:::

    telnet works okay and runs beautifully on the linux terminal along with framebuffered mplayer playing a full screen 4K mp4, all without requiring a gui. BUT if using a gui then "mplayer -vo vdpau -fs 16penguins.mp4" is something to write home to mother about.

    Remember you read it here first.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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    (\ /) /) /) /) /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /) (\ (\ /) /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Fidonet 4K - Sweet Sixteen Penguins of the Apocalypse.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.15(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: One of us @ (1:153/7001.2989)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Mar 3 15:41:10 2023
    Strip it!

    It is/was. Here is the evidence;

    OK, I guess that's the best we can do.

    A lot of BBSs are very retro.

    You forgot to mention "hotbeds of activity". :::wink, wink, knudge, knudge:::

    They were at one time. When I first started BBSing that was "online". Times have changed. Significantly, but I am still a BBSer.

    telnet works okay and runs beautifully on the linux terminal along with framebuffered mplayer playing a full screen 4K mp4, all without requiring a gui. BUT if using a gui then "mplayer -vo vdpau -fs 16penguins.mp4" is something to write home to mother about.

    I just realized the other day that vlc has an ncurses interface but I have never tried it. I played some music with it but didn't have any movie files to try at the time.

    I'm going to have to get mplayer installed and try it out on the console.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Alan Ianson on Fri Mar 3 16:45:31 2023
    Hey Alan!

    OK, I guess that's the best we can do.

    Nope. It doesn't even come close to the worst terminal /usr/share/terminfo/ has to offer which means by default ANYTHING native to that will be better. Also I'd add that /usr/share/terminfo/l/linux *IS* the best no matter what. Thus what I am currently using to reply to you *IS* the best we can do.

    When I first started BBSing that was "online".

    Understood. My first login to a BBS was from a VAX/VMS dumb terminal rlogin to a geology library running a BBS as a frontend to the library's database. That was sometime around 1989-ish if I am not mistaken. Later it was farmed out to the horticultural department and they turned it into the first fidonet BBS I ever saw. It worked great. I don't recall the vt deployed by the dumb terminal but I bet it is more retro than anything the DOS-think sysops are even aware of.

    Speaking of which;

    :r !find /usr/share/terminfo -type f | wc -l | sed 's/^/ /'
    2869

    I just realized the other day that vlc has an ncurses interface
    but I have never tried it.

    I did but haven't for about 20 years now. I plan to add it into the mix soon.

    I'm going to have to get mplayer installed and try it out on the
    console.

    I'd like to see that on your nvidia setup. It should work excellent on there using the fbdev2 video output. I've personally tested it with i915drmfb and amdgpu.

    Too much fun.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    -o o- -o -o -o -o o- o- -o o- -o o- -o o- o- o-
    (\ /) (\ (\ (\ (\ /) /) (\ /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Fidonet 4K - Sweet Sixteen Penguins of the Apocalypse.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.15(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: One of us @ (1:153/7001.2989)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Mar 3 17:32:08 2023
    I'd like to see that on your nvidia setup. It should work excellent on there using the fbdev2 video output. I've personally tested it with i915drmfb and amdgpu.

    I had a quick look at installing the nvidia drivers but it failed for some reason. My nvidia card is not old but it is considered "legacy" by nvidia. It uses the nvidia-legacy-390 package.

    It works well on my slackware setup with the 5.18.* kernel that ships with slackware-15.0. One day I am going to ask for advice from the LFS group and see if they can help me get that working. I think my chances are about 50/50 but I'll see what I can come up with.

    Aside from that I think there's a pretty good chance it would work with the nouveau driver that I am using now.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Alan Ianson on Sat Mar 4 01:47:35 2023
    Hey Alan!

    Aside from that I think there's a pretty good chance it would work
    with the nouveau driver that I am using now.

    If you are now getting boot penguins on there then for sure mplayer will cooperate with the fbdev2 video output that should now associate with the kernel's nouveau driver that you are now using. You are pretty well much there whether or not you are aware of exactly where you are.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    -o o- o- -o
    (\ /) /) (\
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
    ... Onlær þinum bearne bysne goda, and eac swa some eallum leoda.
    Teach your child by good example, and all people likewise.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.15(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)