Hello, Richard Menedetter.
On 10.01.21 11:01 you wrote:

That is definitely NOT true. As at least I do care, too!

As far as I see, you do care to the degree when you don't start shaming newcomers suddenly.

No one cared when I started messaging here. Until Kai decided to flame.

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Hi bebyx,

On 2021-01-10 10:57:10, you wrote to Kai Richter:

i'd like to say we all do care.

No one cares except for you.

I care! Please use your real name in fidonet.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello *!

10 Jan 21 12:30, bebyx wrote to Richard Menedetter:

No one cared when I started messaging here. Until Kai decided to
flame.

The main rules for FidoNet:

* Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.
* Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.


Please always consider both.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hi bebyx!

10 Jan 2021 12:30, from bebyx -> Richard Menedetter:

That is definitely NOT true. As at least I do care, too!

As far as I see, you do care to the degree when you don't start
shaming newcomers suddenly.

Yes ... it is not annoying enough for me to write a netmail just to tell you to use real names.

But I still consider it as very impolite, and I also noticed that you did NOT yet change the setting so that you send your real name.

No one cared when I started messaging here.

I cared, but not enough to write you an mail about it.

Until Kai decided to flame.

I did not see a flame from Kais side.
He correctly pointed out your lack of real name.
That is no flame, but a fact.
The fact is still true BTW!

So I would highly appreciate if you change your config in fido areas to use your real name, and then let us continue to discuss linux related topics in this area.

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Wilfred!

10 Jan 21 12:27, you wrote to bebyx:

Hi bebyx,

No one cares except for you.

I care!

#metoo

Karel

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Hello paul!

Friday January 08 2021 20:50, you wrote to Kai Richter:

You should check the FreeBSD licence first. But i still recommend
to seperatethe rpi OS and put it into the hands of your
customers.

Regards

Kai

Thats what I had figured, Kai... using FreeBSD and the open source (no license) frontend (rpi-fruitbox) that i had in mind. Alternatively, I
can just give customers the hardware and make them 'get' their own software... thru a download on the company webpage of course.

Small suggestion - look at any hardware you own that uses Linux or Android as the base os such as a smart TV or a phone.

Now the manufacturer has to supply the source code on request and as I have a Samsung (S10 phone) and a Philips TV I went to their sites and downloaded the sources.


Admittedly it took a bit of effort to find but I did.


So, providing you stick to the copyright rules for Open Source systems you will
not go wrong and you do not need to supply the source code with the product but
have a findable area on your support website that allows users to download it.

This aoolies to any code changes you made to original code for any application,
driver, system module etc.

The likely hood of many wanting such is very low but it allows a interested party (may be a copyright holder) to check that you are complying with the said
notices.


Vincent

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Hello Tony!

10 Jan 21, Tony Langdon wrote to Kai Richter:

I'm one running modern software (Synchronet) on modern hardware
(Banana Pi) under a modern OS (Linux). :)

In the 486 aera i was on OS/2 until P1/133, then i had an easy migration to Debian. I used squish/2 before and it was easy to transfer the config to hpt.

Have to do the 6 monthly SD card replacement (preventative
maintenance).

Good decision. I had three USB sticks that died without any warning. My node system used LVM to bundle several disks into one volume. I bought a new disc every year until i had 4 of them ready for raid. The main advantage of non-raid LVM is the ability to merge all disks into a big one and reduce the size of the volume group to remove a disk.

I still have the idea to plug two dual sd-card readers (SD + micro-SD) into the pi and build a raid on four sd-cards or sd-card/usbstick combinations. But i don't know what performance the pi would do with that. It could be a way to get the most "wear" out of the sd or sticks.

Regards

Kai

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Hello bebyx!

10 Jan 21, bebyx wrote to Richard Menedetter:

That is definitely NOT true. As at least I do care, too!

As far as I see, you do care to the degree when you don't start
shaming newcomers suddenly.

Which is an expression of tolerance but not on argreement. For the same reason i did not contact you and as you may noticed i never asked you to use a realname.

This is because i've learned to follow fidonet policy 4.07 on chapter uhh, i'm getting old...

$ find . -iname "*pol*"
./BOXINFO/policy/policy5.asc
./BOXINFO/policy/echopol1.dfu
./BOXINFO/policy/POLICY4.TXT

$ grep -B 6 easily ./BOXINFO/policy/POLICY4.TXT
9.1 General

The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:

1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.

2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.

No one cared when I started messaging here.

so it's chapter 9.1 rule #2.

Until Kai decided to flame.

Review your mail to paul about Alexey and imagine that someone wrote that about you. Jump into the mirror and try to see your mail from the to: side.

I decided to support paul to find his own decision. I took his point of professional busniess view where licence b2b war could be a problem while you're wiping Alexey away with "don't listen, he's a troll".

Yes, maybe i wasn't nice, but when the translation is correct i would say "what goes around, comes around". The german phrase is "how you shout into the forest, so the echo is".

Regards

Kai

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Hello Vincent!

10 Jan 21, Vincent Coen wrote to paul lee:

Small suggestion - look at any hardware you own that uses Linux or
Android as the base os such as a smart TV or a phone.

Wow, thanks for that one. Unbelievable but true, my LG TV does list many *nix tools. I stopped counting at 100 and as for the movement of the left scrollbar there would be approx. 400 packages listed with their licences.

Regards

Kai

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Hello Kai!

Sunday January 10 2021 16:08, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

Hello Tony!

10 Jan 21, Tony Langdon wrote to Kai Richter:

I'm one running modern software (Synchronet) on modern hardware
(Banana Pi) under a modern OS (Linux). :)

In the 486 aera i was on OS/2 until P1/133, then i had an easy
migration to Debian. I used squish/2 before and it was easy to
transfer the config to hpt.

Have to do the 6 monthly SD card replacement (preventative
maintenance).

Good decision. I had three USB sticks that died without any warning.
My node system used LVM to bundle several disks into one volume. I
bought a new disc every year until i had 4 of them ready for raid. The
main advantage of non-raid LVM is the ability to merge all disks into
a big one and reduce the size of the volume group to remove a disk.

I still have the idea to plug two dual sd-card readers (SD + micro-SD)
into the pi and build a raid on four sd-cards or sd-card/usbstick combinations. But i don't know what performance the pi would do with
that. It could be a way to get the most "wear" out of the sd or
sticks.

Got around such a problem as well as speed issues by buying some extra kit to allow a sata HDD to act in place of a SD card from boot.

It is a lot quicker but as the HDD passes data through one of the Pi's data port it is not as quick as via a sata 3 port but it is a lot more reliable.

Vincent

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Hello Karel!

10 Jan 2021 16:00, Karel Kral wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Hi bebyx,

No one cares except for you.

I care!

#metoo

#wecare


Regards Benny

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Good ${greeting_time}, Benny!

12 Jan 2021 14:14:42, you wrote to Karel Kral:

No one cares except for you.

I care!

#metoo

#wecare

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Hello, Richard Menedetter.
On 10.01.21 13:24 you wrote:

But I still consider it as very impolite, and I also noticed that
you did NOT yet change the setting so that you send your real
name.

And I won't do it. I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic traditions. Deal with it.


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Hello, Kai Richter.
On 10.01.21 17:02 you wrote:

while you're wiping Alexey away with "don't listen, he's a
troll".

Sorry, I just don't like traditional Russian arrogance and foggy nonsense. If you like or tolerate such things — bad for you. That kills the quality conversation.


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Re: *nix Licenses
By: bebyx to Richard Menedetter on Tue Jan 12 2021 06:32 pm

And I won't do it. I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic traditions. Deal with it.

There actually is no real name rule in fidonet generally, some echoes do make a rule of it but I don't see a rule like that in the monthly rules posting in this area.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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bebyx wrote to Richard Menedetter <=-

But I still consider it as very impolite, and I also noticed that
you did NOT yet change the setting so that you send your real
name.

And I won't do it. I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic
traditions. Deal with it.

Jackass troll.



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Hi bebyx!

12 Jan 2021 18:32, from bebyx -> Richard Menedetter:

I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic traditions. Deal with it.

Nothing to deal with, really ;)
I wave you goodbye, and issue is closed for me.

CU, Ricsi

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Hello bebyx!

12 Jan 21, bebyx wrote to Kai Richter:

while you're wiping Alexey away with "don't listen, he's a
troll".

Sorry, I just don't like traditional Russian arrogance and foggy
nonsense.

Sorry that i continue offtopic. You're right, i could agree with the foggy argument. The first one is difficult to catch for me. Maybe it's especially very hard for me to read "between the lines" and apply a correct emotional attitude level to it. That's why i try to stay away from pre-justice, even if i heard that there is something going on between ua and ru.

If you like or tolerate such things ΓÇö bad for you

I don't have to like it if i apply 9.1 rule #2.

That kills the quality conversation.

Let's have a look. Two ways to go. One way invisible because of fog. One clear way. We don't know which one leads to the correct destination. You said "i don't like fog, the clear way must be the right one." I prefer to peek through the fog first and try to see if that is the right way. This time the foggy way was right. But that's not the fault of the fog.

If you really think that your method would lead into more quality please explain why. From my point of view ignorance lead into no
conversation.
conservation. <- funny. I never noticed that before.

Regards

Kai

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Hello unknown!

12 Jan 2021 18:32, bebyx wrote to Richard Menedetter:

And I won't do it. I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic
traditions. Deal with it.

what ?


Regards Benny

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-={ 2021-01-12 22:24:32.608949485+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

Deal with it.

what ?

I think "huh ?" is more appropriate in this case.

Life is good,
Maurice

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And I won't do it. I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic traditions. Deal >ith it.

You could always make up a name that sounds real.

Mike


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On 01-10-21 12:08, bebyx wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Though these outdted protocols do seem to encourage relatively
high quality messaging (with the exception of a few notorious
echos ;) ).

That's why I'm still here. It's interesting to talk with you guys, not following some traditions.

Or doing a bit of both. ;)

The nickname wasn't forced to be «real» in this echo, so I took the
techie one I'm more convenient with. Everything's allowed if it's not forbidden.

Yeah, I don't recall the rules for this echo, but if the name settings are wrong, that's your sysop's fault. I set Fidonet echos to real names, I can always change the settings, for echos that allow aliases. :)

But that said, incorrect settings don't help users. ;)


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On 01-10-21 16:08, Kai Richter wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

In the 486 aera i was on OS/2 until P1/133, then i had an easy
migration to Debian. I used squish/2 before and it was easy to transfer the config to hpt.

I was on OS/2 until an early Pentium, and then moved to Windows NE.

Have to do the 6 monthly SD card replacement (preventative
maintenance).

Good decision. I had three USB sticks that died without any warning. My node system used LVM to bundle several disks into one volume. I bought
a new disc every year until i had 4 of them ready for raid. The main advantage of non-raid LVM is the ability to merge all disks into a big
one and reduce the size of the volume group to remove a disk.

Yeah I've had a SD card die on me.


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On 01-12-21 19:05, Mike Powell wrote to BEBYX <=-

And I won't do it. I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic traditions.

eal

ith it.

You could always make up a name that sounds real.

Been there, done that. :)


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Hello Maurice!

12 Jan 2021 22:24, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Deal with it.

what ?

I think "huh ?" is more appropriate in this case.

or pi with 1000 digest, people are clever


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hello Mike!

12 Jan 2021 19:05, Mike Powell wrote to BEBYX:

And I won't do it. I better leave Fidonet than follow idiotic traditions.
Deal ith it.

You could always make up a name that sounds real.

one that looks nice in the unix licenses


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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-={ 2021-01-13 19:29:52.957038680+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

people are clever

Says who ?

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

13 Jan 2021 19:29, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

people are clever

Says who ?

free wifi, just type pi with 1000 digest :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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-={ 2021-01-14 05:04:03.982359499+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

people are clever

Says who ?

free wifi, just type pi with 1000 digest :)

That doesn't work no matter how clever or not as the case may be.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

14 Jan 2021 05:04, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

people are clever

Says who ?

free wifi, just type pi with 1000 digest :)

That doesn't work no matter how clever or not as the case may be.

i have been to much on tictok, and i have still parler installed :)

lets hope thay will be back


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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-={ 2021-01-14 23:06:40.707436105+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

i have been to much on tictok, and i have still parler installed

I have heard of tictok but not parler. Neither of them (nor facebook, twitter, etc) work on anything I have but I am sure some of my neighbours use at least facebook.

I have a 10" tablet I use for testing connections but it seldom gets used for actually hooking up to anything on the internet. I do have binkd I installed on there but even that only connects to one of the wireless hosts to drop off msgs. It could hook up over the internet I suppose but it doesn't. What for?

lets hope thay will be back

Where did they go?

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hi Maurice,

On 2021-01-14 23:06:40, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

i have been to much on tictok, and i have still parler installed

I have heard of tictok but not parler. Neither of them (nor facebook, twitter, etc) work on anything I have

You don't have a (graphical) web browser on any of your devices?

Bye, Wilfred.

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-={ 2021-01-15 18:20:48.728789583+00:00 }=-

Hey Wilfred!

You don't have a (graphical) web browser on any of your
devices?

Yes except it seldom gets used as I personally find these devices too annoying and lacking in anything I would use on a daily basis. I am replying to you using it as we speak. I prefer using a regular PC with the linux terminal. On them I just use a text based browser. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hi Maurice,

On 2021-01-15 18:20:48, you wrote to me:

I have heard of tictok but not parler. Neither of them (nor
facebook, twitter, etc) work on anything I have

You don't have a (graphical) web browser on any of your
devices?

Yes except it seldom gets used as I personally find these devices too annoying and lacking in anything I would use on a daily basis.

So your statement above was false...

Bye, Wilfred.

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-={ 2021-01-15 22:28:04.677034650+00:00 }=-

Hey Wilfred!

So your statement above was false...

No it wasn't. Just because there is a GUI browser doesn't mean that there are accounts to access whatever uses the browser to connect. Also no icons available for those services that I've ever seen on the tablet in question.

It does have termux and a customized binkd for it that *could* connect to a node out there in cybersapce but it doesn't. It just uses the wireless access points that are set up for fidonet, the one in particular sent the previous reply. This reply is being created on the access point itself where "Little Mikey's Brain" resides and it has a nodelisted internet address. No GUI browser on here.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hi Maurice,

On 2021-01-15 22:28:04, you wrote to me:

So your statement above was false...

No it wasn't. Just because there is a GUI browser doesn't mean that there are accounts to access whatever uses the browser to connect. Also no icons
available for those services that I've ever seen on the tablet in question.

Yes it was. You have a gui browser at your disposal, so you could connect to facebook (and others) if you wanted to. There are no technical bariers...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred!

16 Jan 21, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Neither of them

[...]

work on anything I have

So your statement above was false...

Yes it was. You have a gui browser at your disposal, so you could
connect to facebook (and others) if you wanted to. There are no
technical bariers...

Yes. But he did not say that there are technical barriers.

I do not work. That's not "i can't work".

I think that's an interesting point of expectation. The idea that a program that does not work or isn't running is because someone doesn't want to use it is not in the first minds possible reasons.

Regards

Kai

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-={ 2021-01-16 10:16:47.074639287+00:00 }=-

Hey Wilfred!

There are no technical bariers

Nothing to swipe or tap to make it so, therefore it doesn't really exist and is unlikely to ever exist given the total lack of concern over all of it. The barrier is more real than the access to said communications that probably will never, ever see the light of day in my time on the tablet in question.

Fidonet is doable. I could post another msg from it if ever matters. That does work.

Life is good,
Maurice

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