Roy,

27 Sep 12 23:08, you wrote to me:

After not having it running for quite awhile I decided to try
setting it up again, so installed the Linux version of it on a
virtual machine running Debian v4 ('Woody').

Sorry; 'Woody' was actually v3...

Debian does present a problem.

Depends on the version... As you many not be aware; Debian Woody (v3) was released in 2002 (and later superceded in 2005) and therefore uses the older versions of the standard C libraries. Which, IIRC, was the issue with running IRex on Linux systems...

Most Linux users have probably given up on using IREX by now.

Not surprisingly, but I'd like to have it running again; both for the capabilities my systems don't currently have and as a reference point for those capabilities.






Jame

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Depends on the version... As you many not be aware; Debian Woody (v3) was released in 2002 (and later superceded in 2005) and therefore uses
the older versions of the standard C libraries. Which, IIRC, was the
issue with running IRex on Linux systems...

Most Linux users have probably given up on using IREX by now.

Not surprisingly, but I'd like to have it running again; both for the capabilities my systems don't currently have and as a reference point for those capabilities.

Does Debian 'Woody' use the 2.4 kernel? IIRC, that was when the issues with IREX on Linux started (when everyone switched to the 2.6 kernel).

There's also an issue with DNSs. You have to use real IP addresses as well.

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Nick,

29 Sep 12 18:19, you wrote to me:

Depends on the version... As you many not be aware; Debian
Woody (v3) was released in 2002 (and later superceded in 2005) and
therefore uses the older versions of the standard C libraries.
Which, IIRC, was the issue with running IRex on Linux systems...

Does Debian 'Woody' use the 2.4 kernel?

Yep; 2.4.18.

There's also an issue with DNSs. You have to use real IP addresses as well.

That also is resolved by going back to the older OS version:

-----<snip>------------------------------------------------
% 22:59:54 Connecting to BinkP site trada.rocasa.us...
% 22:59:54 BinkP: SYS ROCASA FTN
% 22:59:54 BinkP: ZYZ RJ Clay -----<snip>------------------------------------------------

'Course, I had to fix an issue with the resolver (/etc/resolv.conf) not being configured correctly first...<g>



Jame

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Does Debian 'Woody' use the 2.4 kernel?

Yep; 2.4.18.

Nice. After I replied to you, I did a little research on that. It looks
like Debian 'Sarge' was the one that gave the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel options.

Although I'm on like the 3.4 kernel nowadays, so I've left both in the
dust. :)

There's also an issue with DNSs. You have to use real IP addresses as well.

That also is resolved by going back to the older OS version:

-----<snip>------------------------------------------------
% 22:59:54 Connecting to BinkP site trada.rocasa.us...
% 22:59:54 BinkP: SYS ROCASA FTN
% 22:59:54 BinkP: ZYZ RJ Clay -----<snip>------------------------------------------------

'Course, I had to fix an issue with the resolver (/etc/resolv.conf) not being configured correctly first...<g>

Oh cool. It seems as though the few linux users that actually use Irex
these days don't know how to fix that issue. Maybe I can help pass on the
word, but they're probably so stuck on what they're using and against
fixing anything that it won't matter anyways. :)

I know this is probably old news, but was the developer ever asked for the linux source code? I mean, it's so old, outdated, and hardly works.. I
couldn't see as to why he wouldn't give it up unless he lost it, which most seem to do eventually when they abandon it for so long. :(

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30 Sep 12 09:17, Nicholas Boel wrote to Rj Clay:

I know this is probably old news, but was the developer ever asked
for the linux source code? I mean, it's so old, outdated, and hardly works.. I couldn't see as to why he wouldn't give it up unless he
lost it, which most seem to do eventually when they abandon it for so long. :(

At one point, someone in the same net asked Charles if he still had the
source and the answer was yes. That doesn't mean he hasn't lost it in the meantime. However, I doubt that he'd release it even if you could get in
touch with him these days.

R\%/itt


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I know this is probably old news, but was the developer ever asked
for the linux source code? I mean, it's so old, outdated, and hardly works.. I couldn't see as to why he wouldn't give it up unless he
lost it, which most seem to do eventually when they abandon it for so long. :(

At one point, someone in the same net asked Charles if he still had the source and the answer was yes. That doesn't mean he hasn't lost it in the meantime. However, I doubt that he'd release it even if you could get in touch with him these days.

That's pretty sad that (assuming he still has it) he wouldn't release it to
the very small percentage of people left in this hobby. It's not like he's going to make much more money on registration codes, since there's a
plethora of them, well known to many, out there already. :(

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Hello Nicholas,

On Mon 2012-Oct-01 02:34, Nicholas Boel (1:154/10.1) wrote to Roy Witt:

That's pretty sad that (assuming he still has it) he wouldn't
release it to the very small percentage of people left in this
hobby. It's not like he's going to make much more money on
registration codes, since there's a plethora of them, well known to
many, out there already. :(

Might be, but last time I looked at the nodelist in any
detail he was still listed as an nc.


Regards,
Richard
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01 Oct 12 02:34, Nicholas Boel wrote to Roy Witt:

I know this is probably old news, but was the developer ever
asked for the linux source code? I mean, it's so old, outdated,
and hardly works.. I couldn't see as to why he wouldn't give it
up unless he lost it, which most seem to do eventually when
they abandon it for so long. :(

At one point, someone in the same net asked Charles if he still had
the source and the answer was yes. That doesn't mean he hasn't lost
it in the meantime. However, I doubt that he'd release it even if
you could get in touch with him these days.

That's pretty sad that (assuming he still has it) he wouldn't release
it to the very small percentage of people left in this hobby. It's
not like he's going to make much more money on registration codes,
since there's a plethora of them, well known to many, out there
already. :(

I agree with that, but I'm in no position to 'talk' him into releasing
the source. I'd discourage anyone from registering irex and just persue
using the unregistered version or looking into offering to buy someone
else's key. This isn't anything new, as I was given a key generator for FastEcho 1.46 which can open that program for max use...

R\%/itt


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... Fellow SEAL: "You believed that s**t, I bet you voted for change too,
... SUCKER."


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18 Sep 94 15:10, Richard Webb wrote to Nicholas Boel:

That's pretty sad that (assuming he still has it) he wouldn't
release it to the very small percentage of people left in this
hobby. It's not like he's going to make much more money on
registration codes, since there's a plethora of them, well known to
many, out there already. :(

RWebb> Might be, but last time I looked at the nodelist in any detail he
RWebb> was still listed as an nc.

Even so, he hasn't been reachable in years. Someone listed in his net has claimed activity, but I haven't heard from him lately either.

R\%/itt


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... SUCKER."


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On 01 Oct 12 17:45:28, Roy Witt said the following to Nicholas Boel:

I agree with that, but I'm in no position to 'talk' him into releasing
the source. I'd discourage anyone from registering irex and just persue using the unregistered version or looking into offering to buy someone else's key. This isn't anything new, as I was given a key generator for FastEcho 1.46 which can open that program for max use...

I was a fan of Irex for a long time in the late 90's I think it was, and bought a 50 or 100-node license for it, I forget which. Pretty sure it
was the 100 node one. Money wasn't so much the issue as it was "unlocking" its limitation. Sure I could hex-edit the thing, but went with the honourable approach. And I bought my key I think two years after Charles went AWOL.

When I did the work that I did to DB, I transferred my license to a fellow Sysop who makes good use of it to this day. I got the momentary warm-and-fuzzy-feeling of doing a good deed for someone "in need".

If Charles would at least program a key-generator, it would at least put the whole continuing-to-charge-$ discussion/arguments to rest. Or at least some sort of disclaimer indicating that the product is sold as-is with no more official support from the author.

I think there were rumors here that he "lost" the source code, which I find a bit hard to believe as that was a very large project to -not- have backups of the source code for, and a project that brought in a nice amount of $$$.

Nick

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Hello Roy,

On Mon 2012-Oct-01 17:59, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Richard Webb:

RWebb> Might be, but last time I looked at the nodelist in any detail he
RWebb> was still listed as an nc.

Even so, he hasn't been reachable in years. Someone listed in his
net has claimed activity, but I haven't heard from him lately
either.

Yep, that's as I recall from discussions here last winter.

Regards,
Richard
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01 Jan 70 00:00, Nick Andre wrote to Roy Witt:

On 01 Oct 12 17:45:28, Roy Witt said the following to Nicholas Boel:

I agree with that, but I'm in no position to 'talk' him into
releasing the source. I'd discourage anyone from registering irex
and just persue using the unregistered version or looking into
offering to buy someone else's key. This isn't anything new, as I
was given a key generator for FastEcho 1.46 which can open that
program for max use...

I was a fan of Irex for a long time in the late 90's I think it was,
and bought a 50 or 100-node license for it, I forget which. Pretty
sure it was the 100 node one. Money wasn't so much the issue as it
was "unlocking" its limitation.

I was an early user as well, paying $25 for a 50-node license. Prior to
that, I hated the limitations so much that I was glad to fork over that
$25.

Sure I could hex-edit the thing, but went with the honourable
approach. And I bought my key I think two years after Charles went
AWOL.

He was still active in this echo when I began using Rex...he answered a
lot of questions I had, some I voiced, some curious about, right here in
the echo. Those that I was curious about were answered when others asked
the questions I was going to ask.

When I did the work that I did to DB, I transferred my license to a
fellow Sysop who makes good use of it to this day. I got the
momentary warm-and-fuzzy-feeling of doing a good deed for someone "in need".

You're probably aware that I'm running both Irex and DB at the same time,
each on a different port.

If Charles would at least program a key-generator, it would at least
put the whole continuing-to-charge-$ discussion/arguments to rest. Or
at least some sort of disclaimer indicating that the product is sold
as-is with no more official support from the author.

That would help those who're looking at it to make a decision on whether
or not they're interested in using it. If they can get some help from
others who're using it, that would help them out too.

I think there were rumors here that he "lost" the source code, which
I find a bit hard to believe as that was a very large project to
-not- have backups of the source code for, and a project that brought
in a nice amount of $$$.

I don't know his situation, but I recall that discussion. Which is
probably why the activity has dwindled to almost nothing here. In fact
this is the most activity I've seen in a long time.

R\%/itt


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... SUCKER."


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02 Oct 12 00:27, Richard Webb wrote to Roy Witt:

RWebb>> Might be, but last time I looked at the nodelist in any detail he
RWebb>> was still listed as an nc.

Even so, he hasn't been reachable in years. Someone listed in his
net has claimed activity, but I haven't heard from him lately
either.

Yep, that's as I recall from discussions here last winter.

I think Seaborn was in on that discussion and said that he knows Charles
and that he is/was alive and well, just not interested in doing anything
with irex...

R\%/itt


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... Fellow SEAL: "You believed that s**t, I bet you voted for change too,
... SUCKER."


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Might be, but last time I looked at the nodelist in any
detail he was still listed as an nc.

So yet another node running on autopilot? Meh, I don't know, nor do I
really care. Thanks for providing that info to anyone that might want to
try and contact him, though.

From what Roy says, it's probably not going to happen anyways.

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I agree with that, but I'm in no position to 'talk' him into releasing
the source. I'd discourage anyone from registering irex and just persue using the unregistered version or looking into offering to buy someone else's key. This isn't anything new, as I was given a key generator for FastEcho 1.46 which can open that program for max use...

Agreed. I don't know how many times I've gotten polls from Martin Nickell
at many different node numbers. Does anyone actually know the real guy? :)

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Nick,

30 Sep 12 09:17, you wrote to me:

'Course, I had to fix an issue with the resolver
(/etc/resolv.conf) not being configured correctly first...<g>

Oh cool. It seems as though the few linux users that actually use Irex these days don't know how to fix that issue.

On that old of a system, there's not much to it; just needs at least one 'nameserver' entry pointing to a DNS server. (I have a DNS server for my local network, which also handles non local domain names by referring to other DNS servers, so I just have it pointing to that.)

I know this is probably old news, but was the developer ever asked for
the linux source code? I mean, it's so old, outdated, and hardly
works..

As has been mentioned and IIRC; he did say that he no longer has the source code though I don't recall the details about it




Jame


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Hello ROy,

On Tue 2012-Oct-02 17:23, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Richard Webb:

RWebb>> Might be, but last time I looked at the nodelist in any detail he
RWebb>> was still listed as an nc.

Even so, he hasn't been reachable in years. Someone listed in his
net has claimed activity, but I haven't heard from him lately
either.

Yep, that's as I recall from discussions here last winter.

I think Seaborn was in on that discussion and said that he knows
Charles and that he is/was alive and well, just not interested in
doing anything with irex...

I think you're right there, your recollection dovetails with mine.

Regards,
Richard
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03 Oct 12 01:29, Nicholas Boel wrote to Roy Witt:

I agree with that, but I'm in no position to 'talk' him into
releasing the source. I'd discourage anyone from registering irex
and just persue using the unregistered version or looking into
offering to buy someone else's key. This isn't anything new, as I
was given a key generator for FastEcho 1.46 which can open that
program for max use...

Agreed. I don't know how many times I've gotten polls from Martin
Nickell at many different node numbers. Does anyone actually know the
real guy? :)

There isn't anyone listed in the nodelist by that name. Maybe he's looking
to join Fidonet and is polling your system, looking for a way in.

One thing about Irex isn't well known by non-users is that it will poll
every node you have listed in the node manager, if you leave their status
as active and a statement in an event that says to poll All.

R\%/itt


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There isn't anyone listed in the nodelist by that name. Maybe he's looking to join Fidonet and is polling your system, looking for a way in.

No. It's someone who registered a 50 node license umpteen years ago and disappeared, that everyone that doesn't want to pay for unsupported software uses these days. :)

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04 Oct 12 01:11, Nicholas Boel wrote to Roy Witt:

There isn't anyone listed in the nodelist by that name. Maybe he's
looking to join Fidonet and is polling your system, looking for a
way in.

No. It's someone who registered a 50 node license umpteen years ago
and disappeared, that everyone that doesn't want to pay for
unsupported software uses these days. :)

That's interesting. I wonder why he's still polling a fidonet node if he's
no longer with us.

R\%/itt


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... Fellow SEAL: "You believed that s**t, I bet you voted for change too,
... SUCKER."


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There isn't anyone listed in the nodelist by that name. Maybe he's
looking to join Fidonet and is polling your system, looking for a
way in.

No. It's someone who registered a 50 node license umpteen years ago
and disappeared, that everyone that doesn't want to pay for
unsupported software uses these days. :)

That's interesting. I wonder why he's still polling a fidonet node
if he's no longer with us.

HE isn't doing the polling... those that are using his key are...

)\/(ark


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Nick Andre wrote to Roy Witt:

I think there were rumors here that he "lost" the source code, which I find a
bit hard to believe as that was a very large project to -not- have backups of
the source code for, and a project that brought in a nice amount of $$$.

When I asked Charles about this directly, he said that he had not lost the source code. I believe that either family life took over or there were some other issues with building the binaries in and of itself.


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

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Debian does present a problem.

Depends on the version... As you many not be aware; Debian Woody (v3) was released in 2002 (and later superceded in 2005) and therefore uses the older
versions of the standard C libraries. Which, IIRC, was the issue with running
IRex on Linux systems...

You remember correctly. The way around this is to use IP addresses of uplinks instead of using FQDNs.

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I know this is probably old news, but was the developer ever asked for the linux source code? I mean, it's so old, outdated, and hardly works.. I couldn't see as to why he wouldn't give it up unless he lost it, which most seem to do eventually when they abandon it for so long. :(

AFAIK, the source code is the same across all supported platforms. And Charles
did not lost the source code. He mentioned to me what the deal was, but it was
so long ago, I doubt if I can dig up that email from him.

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Debian does present a problem.

Depends on the version... As you many not be aware; Debian Woody
(v3) was released in 2002 (and later superceded in 2005) and
therefore uses the older versions of the standard C libraries.
Which, IIRC, was the issue with running IRex on Linux systems...

You remember correctly. The way around this is to use IP
addresses of uplinks instead of using FQDNs.

and that breaks when contacting dynamic IP systems like many (most??) fidonet systems running on home connections...

)\/(ark

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You remember correctly. The way around this is to use IP
addresses of uplinks instead of using FQDNs.

and that breaks when contacting dynamic IP systems like many (most??) fidonet systems running on home connections...
)\/(ark

Well, who said we live in a perfect world? :) But, seriously, if Charles isn't
going to develop the code anymore, perhaps he should 1) make a final version that does work with newer kernels or 2) release a keygen as well as option 1.

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