• Re: Netscape

    From Poindexter Fortran@1:340/400 to HusTler on Tue Apr 1 09:18:58 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: HusTler to Mr. Cool on Tue Apr 01 2014 03:31 am

    I recently installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and considering insalling gnome.
    Is gnome a memory hog? I hadn't heard of Xubuntu desktop till now.

    hoggy hog hog. If you're running on a slow/small box, look at Xubuntu, Lubuntu, or roll your own with OpenBox or one of the other small WMs.

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  • From Android8675@1:340/400 to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 1 11:11:39 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Mr. Cool on Tue Apr 01 2014 09:18 am

    Actually I'm running ubuntu 12.04 on an IBM Thinkpad with only 512MB
    of RAM. Through in a bigger hard drive and you're in business. Of

    Lubuntu is a good option for low-end systems, too. It's using LXDE (another small window manager) and the application set is also chosen for low-end systems without lots of memory/CPU. Sylpheed for email, for example, instead of Thunderbird. Their own software "store". It runs on my Thinkpad T42 in about 100 megs of memory!

    I have a VM running Debian 7.4 (Wheezy) with no window manager, decided I wanted something simple, setup Fluxbox with xorg, was pretty easy to setup, pretty simple, no frills, I suspect it uses little ram, loads in a heartbeat. You can probably start with any base distro, install just the bare essentials then add an x server and window manager of your choosing. there are sites that only talk about window managers for linux.


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  • From Deuce@1:340/400 to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 1 15:48:29 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Mro on Thu Mar 27 2014 12:11 pm

    You might. Others might not. An Atom desktop is how much, versus a system that's already built and paid for.

    $99

    http://linuxgizmos.com/intel-unveils-tiny-x86-minnowboard-max-open-sbc/

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  • From nolageek@1:340/400 to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 1 22:24:27 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Poindexter Fortran to HusTler on Tue Apr 01 2014 09:18 am

    hoggy hog hog. If you're running on a slow/small box, look at Xubuntu, Lubuntu, or roll your own with OpenBox or one of the other small WMs.

    Definitely I had Ubuntu on my old Acer netbook and it was unusable. Lubuntu ran beautifully. Gnome is a beast.

    -nolageek

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@1:340/400 to Android8675 on Tue Apr 1 22:29:21 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Android8675 to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 01 2014 11:11 am

    I have a VM running Debian 7.4 (Wheezy) with no window manager, decided I wanted something simple, setup Fluxbox with xorg, was pretty easy to setup, pretty simple, no frills, I suspect it uses little ram, loads in a heartbeat. You can probably start with any base distro, install just the bare essentials then add an x server and window manager of your choosing.

    I did that with a Ubuntu VM I'm testing my BBS on - no graphical login screen, just the plain old login: prompt. Want a window manager? Type startx. Don't? That's OK, too.

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  • From Mr. Cool@1:340/400 to HusTler on Wed Apr 2 21:08:10 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: HusTler to Mr. Cool on Tue Apr 01 2014 03:31 am

    q
    Actually I'm running ubuntu 12.04 on an IBM Thinkpad with only 512MB of RAM. Through in a bigger hard drive and you're in business. Of course installed the Xubuntu desktop (Xfce) to improve speed, which works very well. It consumes close to 100MB less RAM then with Unity.


    I recently installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and considering insalling gnome. Is gn a memory hog? I hadn't heard of Xubuntu desktop till now.

    HusTler


    Unity is actually based on Gnome 2.x. It's nice if your machine has the power to run it. Xubuntu however is the perfect balance between a light and functional desktop envinroment. It is very customizable and even can look just as nice as a fancier desktop.

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  • From Android8675@1:340/400 to Deuce on Wed Apr 2 15:56:19 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Deuce to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 01 2014 03:48 pm

    You might. Others might not. An Atom desktop is how much, versus a
    system that's already built and paid for.

    $99

    ..owned.


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  • From Android8675@1:340/400 to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Apr 2 15:58:34 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Android8675 on Tue Apr 01 2014 10:29 pm

    I did that with a Ubuntu VM I'm testing my BBS on - no graphical login screen, just the plain old login: prompt. Want a window manager? Type startx. Don't? That's OK, too.

    stupid question, because for as long as I've been a Linux tinkerer I still can't figure out how to reconfigure my system often, but how would you add the graphical login if your system is setup without that login? Kindda wanna make it startup with Fluxbox now. Suggestions?


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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:340/400 to Android8675 on Wed Apr 2 22:17:28 2014
    Hello Android8675,

    On 02 Apr 14 15:58, Android8675 wrote to Poindexter Fortran:

    stupid question, because for as long as I've been a Linux tinkerer I
    still can't figure out how to reconfigure my system often, but how
    would you add the graphical login if your system is setup without that login? Kindda wanna make it startup with Fluxbox now. Suggestions?

    If it was debian you are using:

    sudo apt-get install fluxbox

    .. should do the trick. It should pull all dependencies in with it (including xorg).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Android8675@1:340/400 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Apr 3 07:49:14 2014
    Re: Netscape
    By: Nicholas Boel to Android8675 on Wed Apr 02 2014 10:17 pm




    If it was debian you are using:
    sudo apt-get install fluxbox
    .. should do the trick. It should pull all dependencies in with it (including xorg).

    Nope, had to install fluxbox then xorg separatly. Probably because I pulled from deaddrop, or whatever that "dead" repository thing is. For some reason they had a more up to date package vs. what was on the official debian repo.

    You also misread my post, I already have Fluxbox working, but I was wondering how to switch debian from the non-windows login text prompt to starting fluxbox on boot and logging in there.


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@1:340/400 to Dreamer on Mon Mar 31 22:28:00 2014
    Dreamer wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I used it for a while with a little USB flash drive, but I wasn't comfortable with that, and finally settled on a small 256MB VPS.

    Those are tempting. I'd love to have a box sitting in someone else's co-lo again. Ah, those days of my youth when I could drop a box off at my
    company's co-lo... :)



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  • From Poindexter Fortran@1:340/400 to Android8675 on Thu Apr 3 12:08:00 2014
    Android8675 wrote to Deuce <=-

    You might. Others might not. An Atom desktop is how much, versus a
    system that's already built and paid for.

    $99

    ..owned.


    I'll run a working system until it burns itself into a molten pile of slag,
    or hand it off to someone who can use it before letting a working system
    sit somewhere - or e-waste it.

    We throw away so much electronic crap, and so much stuff is made nowadays
    to be disposable.



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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:340/400 to Android8675 on Thu Apr 3 15:19:18 2014
    Hello Android8675,

    On 03 Apr 14 07:49, Android8675 wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    If it was debian you are using:
    sudo apt-get install fluxbox
    .. should do the trick. It should pull all dependencies in with
    it (including xorg).

    Nope, had to install fluxbox then xorg separatly. Probably because I pulled from deaddrop, or whatever that "dead" repository thing is. For some reason they had a more up to date package vs. what was on the official debian repo.

    Ah. That's probably because the debian repository deals with stable software, while other repositories are usually either forks of that software, or stuff still in alpha stages, IIRC.

    You also misread my post, I already have Fluxbox working, but I was wondering how to switch debian from the non-windows login text prompt
    to starting fluxbox on boot and logging in there.

    Apparantly, I did. In that case:

    sudo apt-get install xdm

    After that, edit /etc/rc.conf and change the variable XSESSION to:

    XSESSION="fluxbox"

    Then reboot. This should log you into fluxbox the next time you reboot.

    Another way would be to create a .xsession file in the home directory of the user you want it to boot into Fluxbox for. In that file, put:

    exec startfluxbox

    Then reboot and it should load up. At least that's what I got out of the XDM sections at:

    https://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox#XDM
    http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=XDM

    Hopefully one of those methods work for you. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Android8675@1:340/400 to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Apr 5 10:30:28 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Android8675 on Thu Apr 03 2014 12:08 pm

    $99

    ..owned.

    I'll run a working system until it burns itself into a molten pile of slag, or hand it off to someone who can use it before letting a working system sit somewhere - or e-waste it.

    We throw away so much electronic crap, and so much stuff is made nowadays to be disposable.

    Awww, was just teasing. :) I have old SCSI HDDs from my Atari's that I can't bare (bear?) to part with.

    I really wonder what the hell happens to all the CRTs out there, TVs get replaced like every 5 years now a days (for those of us who love our HDTVs, talk about waste. I can't give away our old DLP standard def TV. My buddy still has his old 3 gun projector TV (had the 3 big color guns that bounced each color off a mear onto a curved white projector screen. thing was like tank sized. Still works apparently.


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  • From Android8675@1:340/400 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Apr 5 10:32:33 2014
    Re: Netscape
    By: Nicholas Boel to Android8675 on Thu Apr 03 2014 03:19 pm

    You also misread my post, I already have Fluxbox working, but I was
    wondering how to switch debian from the non-windows login text
    prompt to starting fluxbox on boot and logging in there.

    Apparantly, I did. In that case:

    sudo apt-get install xdm

    After that, edit /etc/rc.conf and change the variable XSESSION to:

    XSESSION="fluxbox"

    Then reboot. This should log you into fluxbox the next time you reboot.

    MY HEEEEERRRRROOOOO!

    Gonna go do it in a moment, doing some finances at the moment!

    -A.


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  • From HusTler@1:340/400 to Mr. Cool on Sun Apr 6 12:20:44 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Mr. Cool to HusTler on Wed Apr 02 2014 21:08:10

    Unity is actually based on Gnome 2.x. It's nice if your machine has the pow
    er
    to run it. Xubuntu however is the perfect balance between a light and functional desktop envinroment. It is very customizable and even can look j
    ust
    as nice as a fancier desktop.

    Thanks for the input. I've tried Unity, Gnome 3 and Xubunti. I'm not completely sold on any of them just yet. I'm dual booting with Windows 7. I've been using Windows for so long I'm not ready to give it up just yet. The last time I dual booted was when I used OS2 and windows. I wanted OS2 to be my main OS but when COMPUSA pulled the OS2 software off the shelf I knew if was over. I doubt we'll see the same thing happen to any of the LINUX OS. I'd like to see it out do MS for just a year. ;-)

    |03Hus|07T|04ler

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  • From HusTler@1:340/400 to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Apr 6 12:32:08 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Android8675 on Thu Apr 03 2014 12:08:00

    I'll run a working system until it burns itself into a molten pile of slag, or hand it off to someone who can use it before letting a working system
    sit somewhere - or e-waste it.

    We throw away so much electronic crap, and so much stuff is made nowadays
    to be disposable.

    If buying new is not going to cost much more then getting it fixed, I'd rather buy new. The industry seems to be set up that way.

    HusTler


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  • From Mro@1:340/400 to HusTler on Sun Apr 6 19:41:27 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: HusTler to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Apr 06 2014 12:32 pm


    I'll run a working system until it burns itself into a molten pile of slag, or hand it off to someone who can use it before letting a working system sit somewhere - or e-waste it.

    We throw away so much electronic crap, and so much stuff is made
    nowadays to be disposable.

    If buying new is not going to cost much more then getting it fixed, I'd rather buy new. The industry seems to be set up that way.


    when i encounter a situation where i can spend a whole day working on something, or save myself a lot of time now and in the long run by purchasing new hardware, i go for the new hardware.

    life is short and time is money.
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  • From bcw142@1:340/400 to HusTler on Mon Apr 7 16:14:02 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: HusTler to Mr. Cool on Sun Apr 06 2014 12:20:44

    Thanks for the input. I've tried Unity, Gnome 3 and Xubunti. I'm not complet sold on any of them just yet. I'm dual booting with Windows 7. I've been usi Windows for so long I'm not ready to give it up just yet. The last time I du booted was when I used OS2 and windows. I wanted OS2 to be my main OS but wh COMPUSA pulled the OS2 software off the shelf I knew if was over. I doubt we see the same thing happen to any of the LINUX OS. I'd like to see it out do for just a year. ;-)

    With Windows8.1 the way it is there's a good change Linux will get more desktops, I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on mine right now (Lenovo) using it off an external USB drive. Works fine that way, just a little slow at startup. The external drive is default so it runs Ubuntu most of the time. Windows8.1 isn't really all that useful at the moment.

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  • From Mro@1:340/400 to bcw142 on Mon Apr 7 16:15:32 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: bcw142 to HusTler on Mon Apr 07 2014 04:14 pm

    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: HusTler to Mr. Cool on Sun Apr 06 2014 12:20:44

    Thanks for the input. I've tried Unity, Gnome 3 and Xubunti. I'm not complet sold on any of them just yet. I'm dual booting with Windows 7. I've been usi Windows for so long I'm not ready to give it up just yet. The last time I du booted was when I used OS2 and windows. I wanted OS2 to be my main OS but wh COMPUSA pulled the OS2 software off the shelf I knew if was over. I doubt we see the same thing happen to any of the LINUX OS. I'd like to see it out do for just a year. ;-)

    With Windows8.1 the way it is there's a good change Linux will get more desktops, I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on mine right now (Lenovo) using it off an external USB drive. Works fine that way, just a little slow at startup. The external drive is default so it runs Ubuntu most of the time. Windows8.1 isn't really all that useful at the moment.




    why dont you just run windows 7? that's a decent os.
    i'm not a fan of ubuntu's GUI. or many linux gui's actually. there's nothing to keep me there. i'd rather run windows than a windows clone. when i need something done in linux i just ssh into a linux box.
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  • From Hustler@1:340/400 to Mro on Tue Apr 8 13:24:41 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Mro to bcw142 on Mon Apr 07 2014 04:15 pm

    why dont you just run windows 7? that's a decent os. i'm not a fan
    of ubuntu's GUI. or many linux gui's actually. there's nothing keep
    me there. i'd rather run windows than a windows clone. when i need something done in linux i just ssh into a linux box.

    Windows 7 is a decent OS and I've been using Microsoft OS and software
    since Windows 3.1. I just want to learn a new OS. I have 3 android devices that was dirt cheap but never use. I have 2 netbooks with windows 7 on them. So I'm ready to explore another OS. I worked for an IP in the early 90's and all the machines were UNIX. I've always wanted to dive into linux but PC's were so expensive who could change OS's? Now you can get an atom 1.6 ghz and with a meg of ram for $75 bucks used.(I did anyway) The only machine I will probably never own is a new apple. I still don't think they can justifiy
    there prices but what do I know. I'm just a throw back from the 70's.

    Sorry the rant. I just felt like jumping in.

    HusTler


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  • From bcw142@1:340/400 to Mro on Wed Apr 9 18:30:45 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Mro to bcw142 on Mon Apr 07 2014 16:15:32

    With Windows8.1 the way it is there's a good change Linux will get more desktops, I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on mine right now (Lenovo) using i off an external USB drive. Works fine that way, just a little slow at
    why dont you just run windows 7? that's a decent os.
    I don't own Windows7 that's why. I do run 1 of 6 desktops on the Linux machine, Linux doesn't really tie you to just one desktop interface. I rarely use Unity (the Ubuntu default).

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  • From Android8675@1:340/400 to Hustler on Wed Apr 9 10:14:26 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Hustler to Mro on Tue Apr 08 2014 01:24 pm

    why dont you just run windows 7? that's a decent os. i'm not a fan
    of ubuntu's GUI. or many linux gui's actually. there's nothing keep
    me there. i'd rather run windows than a windows clone. when i need
    something done in linux i just ssh into a linux box.

    Windows 7 is a decent OS and I've been using Microsoft OS and software
    since Windows 3.1. I just want to learn a new OS. I have 3 android
    devices that was dirt cheap but never use. I have 2 netbooks with
    windows 7 on them. So I'm ready to explore another OS. I worked for an
    IP in the early 90's and all the machines were UNIX. I've always wanted
    to dive into linux but PC's were so expensive who could change OS's? Now
    you can get an atom 1.6 ghz and with a meg of ram for $75 bucks used.(I
    did anyway) The only machine I will probably never own is a new apple. I
    still don't think they can justifiy there prices but what do I know. I'm
    just a throw back from the 70's.

    I have high hopes that Valve is going to really push people towards Linux for gaming (SteamOS), at that time I might setup a system with Linux as my primary, but in the meantime Debian runs great on Virtualbox. VMs are great for learning because you can save your state before making big changes and if you mess up you can just back up a bit.

    I've been dabbling with linux since like Red Hat 3
    I think, I find it's easy to setup, but difficult to make adjustments, Sometimes...

    Apples are ok hardware in pretty cases. I have my father-in-law's old G5 Powermac, thing is awesome to look at. He uses his mac's for music (Jazz mostly).


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  • From Mro@1:340/400 to bcw142 on Wed Apr 9 19:54:57 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: bcw142 to Mro on Wed Apr 09 2014 06:30 pm

    why dont you just run windows 7? that's a decent os.
    I don't own Windows7 that's why. I do run 1 of 6 desktops on the Linux machine, Linux doesn't really tie you to just one desktop interface. I rarely use Unity (the Ubuntu default).

    just download it.
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  • From Knight@1:340/400 to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Apr 13 05:31:10 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Android8675 on Tue Apr 01 2014 10:29 pm

    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Android8675 to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 01 2014 11:11 am

    I have a VM running Debian 7.4 (Wheezy) with no window manager, decided
    I
    wanted something simple, setup Fluxbox with xorg, was pretty easy to setup, pretty simple, no frills, I suspect it uses little ram, loads in
    a
    heartbeat. You can probably start with any base distro, install just th
    e
    bare essentials then add an x server and window manager of your choosin
    g.

    I did that with a Ubuntu VM I'm testing my BBS on - no graphical login scree
    n,
    just the plain old login: prompt. Want a window manager? Type startx. Don't? That's OK, too.

    Speaking of Ubuntu and Synchronet, I whipped up an installation script yesterday.

    http://phunc.com/synchronet/install_sbbs.sh

    It only supports Ubuntu 13.10 at the moment. I'll probably expand it to other versions, distros, and CLI flags later. Mainly did it because I needed it.

    Knight

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  • From Khelair@1:340/400 to Knight on Sun Apr 13 08:58:48 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Apr 13 2014 05:31:10

    Speaking of Ubuntu and Synchronet, I whipped up an installation script yesterday.

    http://phunc.com/synchronet/install_sbbs.sh

    It only supports Ubuntu 13.10 at the moment. I'll probably expand it to othe versions, distros, and CLI flags later. Mainly did it because I needed it.

    Well damn, son, that's not too far away from being able to just
    offer a binary package for it, is it? That'd be pretty friggin' cool. ;)

    -- guh up the effbomb down wif yr bad self


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  • From Knight@1:340/400 to Khelair on Sun Apr 13 17:07:53 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Khelair to Knight on Sun Apr 13 2014 08:58 am

    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Apr 13 2014 05:31:10

    Speaking of Ubuntu and Synchronet, I whipped up an installation script yesterday.

    http://phunc.com/synchronet/install_sbbs.sh

    It only supports Ubuntu 13.10 at the moment. I'll probably expand it to o
    the
    versions, distros, and CLI flags later. Mainly did it because I needed it
    .

    Well damn, son, that's not too far away from being able to just
    offer a binary package for it, is it? That'd be pretty friggin' cool. ;)

    -- guh up the effbomb down wif yr bad self
    Don't tempt me, I might actually do it. :)
    Knight

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  • From Hustler@1:340/400 to KF5QEO on Wed Aug 27 07:26:48 2014
    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: KF5QEO to HusTler on Thu Feb 27 2014 11:40 pm

    Re: Re: Netscape
    By: HusTler to Dreamer on Wed Feb 19 2014 22:28:10

    Communicator? Now there's a blast from the past. I still don't get Netscape was abandoned and FIREFOX took its place.
    That's a sore subject with me! When I signed up with a company that had dial-up internet, I had to buy netscape to connect with them. Now the ver
    I bought wasn't in, they said it'd be in in a week or so. It came in, I p it up and he said that now, it's kinda obsolete, because Internet Explorer could be downloaded for free with a dialer that made netscape useless. No didn't refund my money I forked out on Netscape, didn't offer to give me a of Explorer for free, etc. A week later, Netscape announced it was now completely free! About a year later, that company was bought out by anoth company, and shortly afterwards it went out of business completely.


    At the time a thought Netscape was the best! I did abandon it once they started charging for it. ;-)

    HusTler

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