• Re: Internet 2.0

    From Damon A. Getsman@1:340/200 to Shadowheart on Wed Oct 28 14:22:07 2015
    Re: Internet 2.0
    By: Shadowheart to Khelair on Tue Mar 05 2013 18:40:00

    Wow I just found a trove of mail in this conference that I haven't replied to in g-d knows how long.

    You are almost correct but you must be young because originally fidonet and things like usenet and what not were around before the conveniance
    of the internet to transfer the mail packets. long ago in a land far far away sysops used to use things called front door mailers and such to frequently call out to other bbs's in order to send netmail back and fourth from bbs to bbs. back then the bbs was used daily to send and receive email because it wasnt as instant as it is now a days. some
    sysops had their bbs's configured to do the mail transfers at midnight.

    Well I don't know who is considering what as young here any more, but I'm 38 right now, for whatever that is worth. I didn't get into things as early as I could've due to a pretty isolationist upbringing.
    When I really started playing around was when I found the first dialups for *NIX systems such as the colleges and all being around. There were UUCP and DARPA/milnet before the Internet, too, I believe. As far as the front end mailers and all of that, I'm well aware. I was there when that stuff first came around the upper midwest USA. Didn't catch on with it really well until after Wargames was released, but after that point it was on.

    The 'internet kill switch' is a rumor and theoretical at that. i am not saying the government does not have the power to order the servers running the internet because most are probably run in area 51 or something. Do nott get me wrong, i believe it is important for it to continue running we need persons like yourself calling polititions out to be parinoid of infringing on our constitutional rights. if no one squeeked their wheels no one would get anything fixed because the politicians would become complaicent.

    I certainly do not mean any sort of 'internet kill switch' as an actual big red switch that Obama or whoever has hidden behind one of the drapes in the oval office. When I'm mentioning the 'kill switch', I guess it could be handled many ways, but my suspicion is that feds would just sweep in or make their calls or whatever to people at the telecommunications firms and it would be fed only to restricted places after that. I don't think it's such a huge leap to make, but that's just me.
    I agree with keeping the wheels squeaking regardless.

    networks would revert to dial up connections.
    it would be slow but i think we would find a way to manage.

    That's precisely why I started my own BBS, to manage a system that had communication capabilities spread out between AX.25, modem, internet protocols, etc... I want to make sure that I've got that capability ready to go.

    this is how much the bbs scene has mutated to/from the internet. it also demonstrates how entagral the internet has become and how much of political
    suicide it would be for any politician to "press" the internet "off/kill" switch.

    If it were in their best interests to care about public opinion at the time, I suppose.

    all you need is one phone number of an active dial up bbs and you can get other dial up numbers from that one. that is how we used to do it back in the day. it was word of mouth and grew from there. i remember going to a Radio Shack to get my first bbs numbers.

    That part I never experienced. Met another friend who was into that stuff that made me realize that modems were actually accessible to people in the area. I'd not seen magazine ads or anything anywhere else to make me think that they were real prior to that point. I was a naive kid sometimes. I think if I ever came across one and hadn't known any numbers to call I probably would've ended up there at some point, though. That's when they were still giving away the comics and everything.

    -D
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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Sat Oct 31 15:53:19 2015
    On 10/28/15, Damon A. Getsman pondered and said...

    That's precisely why I started my own BBS, to manage a system that had communication capabilities spread out between AX.25, modem, internet protocols, etc... I want to make sure that I've got that capability
    ready to go.

    Are you using AX.25 with your BBS? If so which system/software - just
    curious. I'm a HAM and had always wanted to offer my Mystic BBS system via packet but getting the two to talk... well that's another story I suspect.

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  • From Leslie Given@1:275/91 to Paul Hayton on Sat Oct 31 01:25:54 2015
    31 Oct 15 15:53, you wrote to Damon A. Getsman:

    Are you using AX.25 with your BBS? If so which system/software - just curious. I'm a HAM and had always wanted to offer my Mystic BBS system
    via packet but getting the two to talk... well that's another story I suspect.

    There was a few other sysop's talking about this on Survnet SV_HAM from march/july 2015. Seems that's when the AX.25 topic just kinda faded. I posted some wiki links that had some interesting video How-2's setup something like this using other equipment. Also, someone mentioned the packet door echicken coded for synchonet. So i'm guessing that was java script.

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Leslie Given on Sat Oct 31 21:34:50 2015
    On 10/31/15, Leslie Given pondered and said...

    There was a few other sysop's talking about this on Survnet SV_HAM from march/july 2015. Seems that's when the AX.25 topic just kinda faded. I posted some wiki links that had some interesting video How-2's setup something like this using other equipment. Also, someone mentioned the packet door echicken coded for synchonet. So i'm guessing that was java script.

    Hi Leslie.

    I think I approached echicken on his BBS about this subject when I saw a few posts in either DoveNet or some of the Synchonet echoarea in Fido about the
    the same thing. I was hoping it might not be too hard to port his work to Mystic but as I'm not a coder I have no real clue as to how hard/easy it may have been.

    From memory I may have added it as a 'nice to have' request (or was it a question of could it be done?) to g00r00 at some stage also. But from
    memory... and mines not that good :) ... it might have been / seemed all to hard. Not sure.

    I'll have a look at the echoarea you mention as see what was discussed.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Leslie Given@1:275/91 to Paul Hayton on Sat Oct 31 15:02:10 2015
    31 Oct 15 21:34, you wrote to me:

    for synchonet. So i'm guessing that was java script.

    Fido about the the same thing. I was hoping it might not be too hard
    to port his work to Mystic but as I'm not a coder I have no real clue
    as to how hard/easy it may have been.

    I'm not a coder either, but with that being said.. there are others in the mystic brotherhood who are. I've started using Perl modules with batch files to
    call up mp3desc.pl and t64desc.pl that reads the ID3::LiB from a mass upload for user upload. My archive.dat has Ext. MP3 and T64. The T64 is a C64 TAPE image format. That can be found in the internet. I'm not sure about this Door or what exactly happens. But if there is a packet driver loaded to transfer data? It might also be an option to use a perl module?

    From memory I may have added it as a 'nice to have' request (or was it
    a question of could it be done?) to g00r00 at some stage also.

    Yes, I remember your request/post from months ago. I have no glue how it might work. But it does merit more rearch on my end at the least. Thank for beinging this up again. Your anyways welcome to stop by survnet and post any of your thoughts.


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  • From Ray Quinn@1:214/23 to Paul Hayton on Sat Oct 31 18:02:52 2015
    Replying to a msg dated 31 Oct 15 20:34, from you to Leslie Given.

    There is an addition to Synchronet written by eChicken available on the CVS server. I have not implimented it as I also run a packet BBS using JNOS which can be accessed from the Synchronet BBS. The TNC's and radios are currently on the "bench" getting overhauled and will be going to the repeater site (at 7500') within the next month. I run JNOS in a virtual machine on the main BBS server and use a TCP/IP to serial converter to connect the computer to the TNC's via the Internet.

    The distance between the TNC's and the computer is 37 miles "as the crow flies".

    Ray

    w6ray.#nca.ca.us.noam



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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Leslie Given on Sun Nov 1 19:27:11 2015
    On 10/31/15, Leslie Given pondered and said...

    I'm not sure about this Door or what exactly happens. But if there is a packet driver loaded to transfer data? It might also be an option to use
    a perl module?

    Hmm.. not sure, but like you I too have started using a few PERL scripts for
    a few things around the BBS. It feels like moving from records to CD :)

    Someone more knowledgable about these things would know I guess...

    Yes, I remember your request/post from months ago. I have no glue how it might work. But it does merit more rearch on my end at the least. Thank for beinging this up again. Your anyways welcome to stop by survnet and post any of your thoughts.

    Cheers ears.. I'll be sure to make an apperance :)

    Keep up the good BBS work... good sir.

    Best, Paul

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