Hi there,
I have just joined The British FONIX BBS via internet and I
added this SIG hoping to see some activity.
Apart from propogation forcasts I have not seen much activity here
for the week I have been here.
Most of the activity died down right after the beginning of y2k.
We have a HAM in South Africa who posts the South African version of North America's Newsline. I've been working on bringing the Newline report back into this echo, just not enough time to do everything.
... HAM (n) 2. Acronym for Hasn't Any Money.
--- Twit(t) Filter v2.1 (C) 2000
* Origin: KB6PI's Cantina * Santa Ysabel, CA (1:10/22)
Most of the activity died down right after the beginning of y2k.
In other words, the SIGs is becoming like Y2K, a 'non-event'!!
We have a HAM in South Africa who posts the South African version of
North America's Newsline. I've been working on bringing the Newline
report back into this echo, just not enough time to do everything.
Too true. When I retired, I thought I would have lots of time,
however it did not happen that way!!! :-)
Too true. When I retired, I thought I would have lots of time, however it did not happen that way!!! :-)
Hmmmm. That's what my dad said after he retired. Guess I might as well continue working...
Too true. When I retired, I thought I would have lots of
time, however it did not happen that way!!! :-)
Hmmmm. That's what my dad said after he retired. Guess I might as
well continue working...
Why? Even though the time is full, there is a big difference.
If the weather is nasty, (too hot, too much snow etc.) I can stay at
home for the day. Time is filled with doing the things that "I" want
to do instead of what "OTHERS" want me to do.
well continue working...
Why? Even though the time is full, there is a big difference.
I retired out of my own machine shop back at the end of Dec, 1997. I sat around, played with computers (fidonet & the internet), worked on projects around the house and fixed one of my old cars (1970 muscle car) so it was driveable. Long about September, I was getting bored and decided I needed something to do. I went out and found a job. It's now 1 1/2 years later and I like going to work and doing what I do best.
If the weather is nasty, (too hot, too much snow etc.) I can stay at home for the day. Time is filled with doing the things that "I" want to do instead of what "OTHERS" want me to do.
I had days where I didn't even bother to get dressed.
... OSCAR birds don't have feathers!
found a job. It's now 1 1/2 years later and I like going to work
and doing what I do best.
There is still the difference that you are not 'forced' to work for a living. You can pack it up any time you wish and you like doing the
work.
If the weather is nasty, (too hot, too much snow etc.) I can
stay at home for the day. Time is filled with doing the things
that "I" want to do instead of what "OTHERS" want me to do.
I had days where I didn't even bother to get dressed.
Hm..... In my case, It is advisable, as from time to time we do get
visitors!!
... OSCAR birds don't have feathers!
However there are those trying to rustle the feathers of the Ham's
who use them, by trying to take over their frequencies!!!!!
CB radio is not a tabu here, but I also moderate the CB_RADIO conference
M > No-Code vs Code is a viable topic for discussion here.
From what I have been reading (and hearing), the debate is not really
about 'code' as such. It is about having a test that will keep people
who are not really interested in Ham radio out. I.E. as a 'filter'.
For example, many comments about the new code speed (U.S.A.) from
those who have qualified with high speed code, are about the
'standards being lowered and fear of 'C.B. type behaviour' creeping
in to H.F. operation. If it was really about 'code' then the
comments would be more about a possible reduction of people available
to communicate in 'high speed code'.
The reality is that standards can be made higher at the technical
written exam level, and to have their 'on-air performance' monitored
and a qualified 'monitor' certify that they meet standards of operation. This, together with the FCC going after those who do not behave
themselves on the air, should work towards 'clean air waves'.
Coming back to "Code", Personally, I think that code SHOULD be still
be required. IMHO, the code should be memorised. This is no different
from learning the rules and regs or Ohms law for that matter. speed
is NOT the important thing, ability to communicate using it is.
... OSCAR birds don't have feathers!
However there are those trying to rustle the feathers of the Ham's
who use them, by trying to take over their frequencies!!!!!
I hadn't heard. Is that a European problem?
From what I have been reading (and hearing), the debate is not really about 'code' as such. It is about having a test that will keep people
who are not really interested in Ham radio out. I.E. as a 'filter'.
For example, many comments about the new code speed (U.S.A.) from
those who have qualified with high speed code, are about the
'standards being lowered and fear of 'C.B. type behaviour' creeping
in to H.F. operation.
If it was really about 'code' then the comments would be more
about a possible reduction of people available to communicate in
'high speed code'.
The reality is that standards can be made higher at the technical
written exam level, and to have their 'on-air performance' monitored
and a qualified 'monitor' certify that they meet standards of
operation. This, together with the FCC going after those who do not
behave themselves on the air, should work towards 'clean air waves'.
Coming back to "Code", Personally, I think that code SHOULD be still
be required. IMHO, the code should be memorised. This is no different
from learning the rules and regs or Ohms law for that matter. speed
is NOT the important thing, ability to communicate using it is.
It allows communication using the simplest transmitters/receivers.
For example, a few years ago at Dayton, a wife waiting in the car
started calling her husband using the car horn.
CB radio is not a tabu here, but I also moderate the CB_RADIO
conference
Very good. It is a LONG time since I have used CB, however there are
some local 'senior citizens' who have a 'CB' chat in the mornings. As
I am now a 'senior citizen' perhaps I should get one and join in now
and again. (will need a vertical antenna for 28 Megs!!!!)
What is the full name of the conference?
... OSCAR birds don't have feathers!
However there are those trying to rustle the feathers of the
Ham's who use them, by trying to take over their
frequencies!!!!!
I hadn't heard. Is that a European problem?
No, it is an american problem. There are organizaions that want to
use the 430-450 meg ham bands for use with low orbit satelites.
(Data transmission, phone etc).
I belong to a (world-wide) group that advocates the relaxing and
eventual end to the morse code requirements.
I hope that that this does not extend to relaxing and an eventual end
to the theory requirments!!
In fact, CW is dead throughout the entire world, except for the
die-hards in Amateur Radio.
Not really, it is still in use with navigational beacons, and as ID
on most satellite transponders.
The use of code is increasing rapidly to communicate with physically handicapped people. Many hospitals are teaching code to these
patients.
What is the full name of the conference?
Which reminds me, I have to update the echo rules. I had to kill
that echo due to a lack of traffic.
It has been getting that way with the HAM sig's too!!
No, it is an american problem. There are organizaions that
want to use the 430-450 meg ham bands for use with low orbit
satelites. (Data transmission, phone etc).
That's news to me and I'm a UHF freak...About two years ago, I sold
one of my 450MHz repeaters (still have one in storage) to someone
who had a keener interest, but I still use UHF and despise the VHF
repeaters around here.
Do a search under 'LEO'. The commercial interests have been looking
at the success of the ham satelites
For example, many comments about the new code speed (U.S.A.) from
those who have qualified with high speed code, are about the
'standards being lowered and fear of 'C.B. type behaviour' creeping
in to H.F. operation.
Well a little listening on some of the HF bands to Those 13 & 20 WPM
types Soundly Disproves that one. The "CB Mentality" is Alive and Well amongst the Generals, Advanced and Extra Types.
Coming back to "Code", Personally, I think that code SHOULD be still
be required. IMHO, the code should be memorised. This is no different from learning the rules and regs or Ohms law for that matter. speed
is NOT the important thing, ability to communicate using it is.
Now that is a CROCK. I have been fighting to learn but never winning
the "Code Battle" since 1948. And I have tried it ALL Methods.
Some years ago(1992) I finally gave up and became a No Code Tech.
One group I ran across that had held soem
Licence Classes was actualy telling people that a Ham Radio can be concidered a "FREE CELL Phone"!!! :-( :-( :-)
I belong to a (world-wide) group that advocates the relaxing and eventual end to the morse code requirements.
In fact, CW is
dead throughout the entire world, except for the die-hards in Amateur Radio.
What is the full name of the conference?
Which reminds me, I have to update the echo rules. I had to kill that echo due to a lack of traffic.
No, it is an american problem. There are organizaions that want to use the 430-450 meg ham bands for use with low orbit satelites.
(Data transmission, phone etc).
That's news to me and I'm a UHF freak...About two years ago, I sold one
of my 450MHz repeaters (still have one in storage) to someone who had a keener interest, but I still use UHF and despise the VHF repeaters around here.
Not really, it is still in use with navigational beacons, and
as ID on most satellite transponders.
I believe you'll find that this only applies to Amateur Radio
beacons and satellites.
I was referring to navigational beacons used by both marine
(shipping) and aircraft.
The satelites I am referring to include the commercial television satellites. Each transponder has it's own identification in code.
The use of code is increasing rapidly to communicate with
physically handicapped people. Many hospitals are teaching
code to these patients.
Not here. They're given 'personal' radios, which are popular with
shut-ins, hikers, hunters, fishermen, etc..
Personal radios are of no use in helping them talk to other people.
A person who is unable to speak and has only very limited movement of their body is able to operate a key with some part of their body.
Actually, this echo is seeing more traffic than it's seen for the
better part of this year.
It is very good to see.
* Only adults have difficulty with childproof caps.
Do a search under 'LEO'. The commercial interests have been
looking at the success of the ham satelites
None of those companies are using Amateur frequencies.
However, there has been (and possibly still is) govt. lobbying to
get access to this part of the Ham bands.
they'd like to take over either VHF or UHF HAM bands. BTW, our
420-450Mhz UHF HAM band is on a shared basis with the US military
(usually radar),
It was apparently the military that kept them out at their last
attempt.
technology. CW has been phased out of military use and for the most
part, commercial use as well.
Since marine and aircraft no longer use CW, there's no need for CW
beacons. I think you'll find that they're all using digital
communications now. I think it was France who announced back in
1998 that the end of that year (or the following February) signaled
the end of their CW in their maritime service. I believe the
announcement said that they were the last country to do so.
Perhaps there is no need, however they are there and are still being
used. They may indeed give a digital signal however I have no info on that, other than the operating frequency is rather low (below 500
Khz) and I would have expected a digital to be heard as well as the
code identification is.
The satelites I am referring to include the commercial
television satellites. Each transponder has it's own
identification in code.
In a digital format.
Well, I suppose that normal morse code could be classed as
'digital'.
A person who is unable to speak and has only very limited
movement of their body is able to operate a key with some part
of their body.
Well, unless they're HAMs, they'll be limited to what we call 'Part
15 - no license required' radios.
They are not using radios. They are using normal AF though a
loudspeaker.
Some are now using code to ascii converters as input to a normal
computer.
MSGID: 1:10/22 39a2d10c
REPLY: 2:252/171 cc6d22c5
PID: GEDW32 3.0.1
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.46.1 8614
Hello STAN.
20 Aug 00 22:45, you wrote to me:
Not really, it is still in use with navigational beacons, and
as ID on most satellite transponders.
I believe you'll find that this only applies to Amateur Radio
beacons and satellites.
I was referring to navigational beacons used by both marine
(shipping) and aircraft.
Since marine and aircraft no longer use CW, there's no need for CW
beacons. I think you'll find that they're all using digital
communications now. I think it was France who announced back in 1998 that the end of that year (or the following February) signaled the end of their CW in their maritime service. I believe the announcement said that they were the last country to do so.
The satelites I am referring to include the commercial television satellites. Each transponder has it's own identification in code.
In a digital format.
A person who is unable to speak and has only very limited movement of their body is able to operate a key with some part of their body.
Well, unless they're HAMs, they'll be limited to what we call 'Part 15 -
no license required' radios.
Actually, this echo is seeing more traffic than it's seen for the
better part of this year.
It is very good to see.
.....Meanwhile, as long as there's still some traffic in this echo,
I'll keep it going. I hope to be the guy who turns out the lights when Fidonet finally takes it's last breath in Z1.
MSGID: 1:10/22 39a8d523
REPLY: 2:252/171 fc9336dc
PID: GEDW32 3.0.1
CHRS: IBMPC 2
TID: FastEcho 1.46.1 8614
Hello STAN.
24 Aug 00 21:50, you wrote to me:
Since marine and aircraft no longer use CW, there's no need for CW
beacons. I think you'll find that they're all using digital
communications now. I think it was France who announced back in
1998 that the end of that year (or the following February) signaled
the end of their CW in their maritime service. I believe the
announcement said that they were the last country to do so.
Perhaps there is no need, however they are there and are still being used. They may indeed give a digital signal however I have no info on that, other than the operating frequency is rather low (below 500
Khz) and I would have expected a digital to be heard as well as the code identification is.
A digital ID is in ASCII code
The satelites I am referring to include the commercial
television satellites. Each transponder has it's own
identification in code.
In a digital format.
Well, I suppose that normal morse code could be classed as
'digital'.
Not unless it's dual tone.
They are not using radios. They are using normal AF though a loudspeaker.
Some are now using code to ascii converters as input to a normal computer.
Then there's no longer a need for the loudspeaker, just a set of
headphones for those who can't type.
technology. CW has been phased out of military use and for the most
part, commercial use as well.
Sad! I was an airborne radio op on B-29, B-17, C-47, C-54, C-119,
SA-16, and C-46 during Korean conflict.
A digital ID is in ASCII code
Then the code ID is just that, code.
Did you ever get in contact with Wayne Green while he was on WWII submarine duty?
Did you ever get in contact with Wayne Green while he was on WWII
submarine duty?
No. I was too young for WWII by a few years. I spent 2½ years in
the USNR in the 40's, though.
My brother, Frank Brumbaugh, (J. Frank Brumbaugh), W4LJD, is s fan of
his. He has written many articles for 73 magazine, for PAY, hi.
He began WWII as a paratrooper jumping in Normandy. He may have
known Wayne back then. I'll ask him if I can think about it. I think
one was published just this year. He has had many calls since the
'40's, including XAFQ Trieste Free State after the war. I don't have
one of his QSL cards to look at, but he moved around a lot and had to
get different call letters back then.
He just moved back to Bradenton FL last year.
He'd been living in Puerto Rico for a long time. That last huricane
about did him in. He had an upstairs apt over a bar that lost its'
roof. He lost 2 mills, plus everything made from paper.
He's not into computers, unfortunately, but I maintain "cell phone" contact with him regularly. Free nationwide LD, hi, besides being
retired from Ma Bell and get $30.00/month free LD. And you know?????
I never use hardly any of it ;-(( Later
My brother, Frank Brumbaugh, (J. Frank Brumbaugh), W4LJD, is s fan of
his. He has written many articles for 73 magazine, for PAY, hi.
I've been a fan of his too. He's one smart cookie.
He's not out of the woods in Brandonton. Those hurricanes go there
too.
That's a shame, although, how much is there to talk about every month
that would warrant spending that much time on the phone? I spend an
hour about once a month with my folks and that's good until the next month.
Not really, it is still in use with navigational beacons,
I was referring to navigational beacons used by both marine
(shipping) and aircraft.
Since marine and aircraft no longer use CW, there's no need for CW
beacons. I think you'll find that they're all using digital
communications now.
My brother, Frank Brumbaugh, (J. Frank Brumbaugh), W4LJD, is s fan
of his. He has written many articles for 73 magazine, for PAY, hi.
I've been a fan of his too. He's one smart cookie.
I assume that you mean Wayne, and not my brother, hi.
Although he was chief engineer at Heathkit many years ago.
He's not out of the woods in Brandonton. Those hurricanes go there
too.
But not as bad. He lived in Bradenton on his boat before he sold it
and went to PR. When he first got back to Bradenton he actually got
back into his same apt, but the place was sold right away, and he had
to move. I don't know why his antenna situation is so bad, but his antenna is indoors and seven (7) feet high, hi. And no, he hasn't
been getting out very well.
That's a shame, although, how much is there to talk about every
month that would warrant spending that much time on the phone? I
spend an hour about once a month with my folks and that's good until
the next month.
I know. All that time I could use, and there is at least half dozen people that I could call, I'm just too lazy to do it. Mainly,
because the other party wants to stay on line for so long, and nil to
talk about.
My brother included. We were on the phone for an hour
and ten minutes the other day. Of course, there's plenty we can
discuss, hi. BTW: We haven't seen each other since 1949.
Wow..he got around. Tell him next time you communicate, that I
appreciate the engineering on some of thier products that I've used
over the years. He may not have been there when they made "lunch
boxes" or the Apache
linear amps, but those were great products.
You're probably like me. I think that too much phone time is an
intrusion into my personal time.
So, while you're talking to each other, the picture you both have of
each other is what you looked like in 1949....{:)
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