• this echo

    From Richard Webb@1:116/901 to all on Thu Feb 19 19:10:12 2009
    Hello all!


    NOte I haven't seen any traffic here for quite awhile.
    Anyone still lurking here?

    Brings up another question. I note this echo not listed in
    echolist. Have we an echo moderator?

    NOT that any real rules need promulgated due to low traffic, bt a rules posting
    on a regular basis might keep it alive.
    That brings up a question or two as well.

    IF nobody else has an interest in doing so I'd be willing to elist this echo. But, that also means I"d like to keep it viable
    instead of seeing it drop into backbone.no or, worst of all, the destroyed (no longer distributed) list.

    SO, the next question that should be asked is this:
    Anything folks would like to see here that isn't being
    posted here? Tablature, etc.


    Regards,
    Richard
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  • From JOEBRUCHIS@1:123/140 to RICHARD WEBB on Mon Apr 6 18:24:16 2009
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    Hello all!


    NOte I haven't seen any traffic here for quite awhile.
    Anyone still lurking here?

    Brings up another question. I note this echo not listed in
    echolist. Have we an echo moderator?

    NOT that any real rules need promulgated due to low traffic, bt a rules
    posting
    on a regular basis might keep it alive.
    That brings up a question or two as well.

    so what have you got to say about guitars, Richard? I played quite a bit in College (35 years ago). I currently have an American Stratocaster and some
    type of acoustic guitar. (-:

    I mostly play Blues, Jazz and Funk (all closely related styles). I go
    through phases of playing. I consider myself intermediate in playing and advanced in knowledge and theory. I like to pick up new styles and riffs
    from some of the instructors on YouTube.

    As I mentioned, I go through stages. Sometimes the guitar is out on the
    sofa for two weeks with me practicing new things, diligently. Then it goes
    back in the closet for months till I hear a song in my head I want to
    learn.
    Out it comes again.

    It's been that way for many years. (-:

    Regards,

    Joe
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  • From Richard Webb@1:116/901 to JOEBRUCHIS on Tue Apr 7 06:04:13 2009
    HI Joe,

    On Mon 2037-Apr-06 18:24, JOEBRUCHIS (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

    so what have you got to say about guitars, Richard? I played quite a
    bit in College (35 years ago). I currently have an American
    Stratocaster and some type of acoustic guitar. (-:

    I mostly play Blues, Jazz and Funk (all closely related styles). I go through phases of playing. I consider myself intermediate in playing
    and advanced in knowledge and theory. I like to pick up new styles
    and riffs from some of the instructors on YouTube.


    I"m mainly a folky when it comes to guitar, because that's
    what my technique allows. PRimarily keyboards and a bass
    player.

    My current guitar is a nice Martin, D series, but newer.
    BOught it in NEw ORleans.

    REdid a friend of mine's strat with DeMarzio for the treble
    pickup. Man that thing screamed for the blues. Sustain
    that wouldn't quit, even without the brass nut.

    Basses I've owned over the years:

    Classic 58 precision, left t hat one in a pawnshop in
    California back in the '70's. A white fEnder jazz, early
    '70's vintage. My first wife sold that one on me while I
    was on the road playing keys with acountry band. A few
    years later I bought an Electra jazz copy.

    At one time, for a short while I had one of the old GIbson
    LEs Paul recording basses with the low impedance pickups and the regular xlr connector to plug it in. HEavy, man was
    that thing heavy!

    As I mentioned, I go through stages. Sometimes the guitar is out on
    the sofa for two weeks with me practicing new things, diligently.
    Then it goes back in the closet for months till I hear a song in my
    head I want to learn.
    Out it comes again.


    FOr me guitar is primarily a writing instrument when I don't have my piano handy. IF I get serious about another
    recording project of my own music I"ll ahve the guitar
    sitting on a stand near my office chair and most times when
    the hands aren't busy it will be in my lap as I work on
    getting my chops back up.


    guitar was a frustrating instrument for me when I was a kid. I knew where all the notes were, knew how to make the
    chords, but my little short fingers wouldn't go where I
    wanted them to <g>. I finally decided I was going to get
    enough technique up on one to be able to play decent rhythm, because as a bassist it frustrated me trying to teach
    somebody else a song. so, back in '82 I bought a Yamaha
    acoustic, the neck was straight and the tone wasn't too bad. THat was my work out axe for many years. I think in 1997 I
    gave it to a friend's son so he could learn to play. I
    bought an Ovation pos from a pawnshop so that I could plug
    it in when I played out with some bands occasionally. I had a nice Alvarez 12 string at the time which was my main
    workout axe, so the Yamaha went to mu buddy's son so he
    could start learning to play.
    THat Yammy would give you some technique, because the
    strings were rather high off the fretboard and you had to
    have some hand strength to note that guitar clean <g>. That was a beat you up to play it guitar, but if you practiced on him you'd have good technique.

    cOme ot think of it I've been pulling out the Martin more
    again lately. Love the tone of that guitar, but I always
    did like Martins.

    Regards,
    Richard
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  • From Joe Bruchis@1:123/789 to Richard Webb on Tue Apr 7 19:05:54 2009
    Richard Webb -> JOEBRUCHIS wrote:
    HI Joe,

    I"m mainly a folky when it comes to guitar, because that's
    what my technique allows. PRimarily keyboards and a bass
    player.

    My current guitar is a nice Martin, D series, but newer.
    BOught it in NEw ORleans.

    They have a nice tone.


    REdid a friend of mine's strat with DeMarzio for the treble
    pickup. Man that thing screamed for the blues. Sustain
    that wouldn't quit, even without the brass nut.


    I love my Strat. I'd like to have a Telecaster too. I can easily afford it. I just know it'll wind up in the closet with the other two, so it's not really worth doing.

    My first guitar was an Epiphone Strat with two pick-ups. My Father bought it for me at a pawn shop I had found when I was 13 yrs old. I couldn't make the rent one month in the 70's and sold it for $50. Man, what a mistake!

    Basses I've owned over the years:

    Classic 58 precision, left t hat one in a pawnshop in
    California back in the '70's. A white fEnder jazz, early
    '70's vintage. My first wife sold that one on me while I
    was on the road playing keys with acountry band. A few
    years later I bought an Electra jazz copy.


    I know you wish you had the Fender back too. (-:

    At one time, for a short while I had one of the old GIbson
    LEs Paul recording basses with the low impedance pickups and the regular xlr connector to plug it in. HEavy, man was
    that thing heavy!

    Yep. All Les Pauls are heavy. They do have great action and sound great, though.

    As I mentioned, I go through stages. Sometimes the guitar is out on
    the sofa for two weeks with me practicing new things, diligently.
    Then it goes back in the closet for months till I hear a song in my
    head I want to learn.
    Out it comes again.


    FOr me guitar is primarily a writing instrument when I don't have my
    piano handy. IF I get serious about another
    recording project of my own music I"ll ahve the guitar
    sitting on a stand near my office chair and most times when
    the hands aren't busy it will be in my lap as I work on
    getting my chops back up.


    I have never attempted piano. That seems to be an instrument parents introduce kids to through lessons. I don't know anyone that just decided to jump in and learn piano. I'm sure there are some, but nothing like the mobs of guitar players that are self taught.

    Guitar is not any easy instrument. It's easy to learn chords, and if one sings well, you've got a snappy campfire type combination. I'm not a good singer, though, so I have to concentrate on being a good musician.

    guitar was a frustrating instrument for me when I was a kid. I knew
    where all the notes were, knew how to make the
    chords, but my little short fingers wouldn't go where I
    wanted them to <g>. I finally decided I was going to get
    enough technique up on one to be able to play decent rhythm, because as
    a bassist it frustrated me trying to teach
    somebody else a song. so, back in '82 I bought a Yamaha
    acoustic, the neck was straight and the tone wasn't too bad. THat was my work out axe for many years. I think in 1997 I
    gave it to a friend's son so he could learn to play. I
    bought an Ovation pos from a pawnshop so that I could plug
    it in when I played out with some bands occasionally. I had a nice Alvarez 12 string at the time which was my main
    workout axe, so the Yamaha went to mu buddy's son so he
    could start learning to play.
    THat Yammy would give you some technique, because the
    strings were rather high off the fretboard and you had to
    have some hand strength to note that guitar clean <g>. That was a beat you up to play it guitar, but if you practiced on him you'd have good


    Sounds like you've had several nice guitars. I know how to play bass only because I know how to play guitar. I've sat in for bass players, but I've never
    owned a bass guitar and amp. I prefer the full range of sound of chords with notes.

    cOme ot think of it I've been pulling out the Martin more
    again lately. Love the tone of that guitar, but I always
    did like Martins.

    Well get it out and play it! I know...it takes some psyching up to get back into it. (-:

    Regards,

    Joe

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  • From Richard Webb@1:116/901 to Joe Bruchis on Thu Apr 9 14:50:40 2009
    Hi Joe,

    On Tue 2037-Apr-07 19:05, Joe Bruchis (1:123/789) wrote to Richard Webb:

    I"m mainly a folky when it comes to guitar, because that's
    what my technique allows. PRimarily keyboards and a bass
    player.

    My current guitar is a nice Martin, D series, but newer.
    BOught it in NEw ORleans.

    They have a nice tone.

    Indeed, and I haven't even recorded mine yet. My studio
    system was down for awhile after I first bought it, and then when it came back up I think I got one recording of it
    started when the process got interrupted.

    wE lived in a townhouse center city NEw ORleans, and I liked to record downstairs in the living room. HIgh ceiling, with the area containing the stairs offering big high open space.

    My preferred technique with most acoustic guitars of that
    type is to put a small diaphragm condenser microphone a
    couple feet away, business end pointed at where the neck
    joins the body. tHen, in case I can use it, a nice stereo
    pair of condensers back a few feet and up to get some "room
    tone" and some air in it. My thing about acoustic guitars
    is or any other instrument is that you don't put your ear
    right up to it to hear it, so you shouldn't record 'em that
    way. YEt for a good mix of the tracks you might need to
    close mic. FOr example, that nice rhythm part might discard quite a bit of the
    frquency spectrum to sit right. sO, I
    use the stereo pair and close mic approach both, and utilize the one that works
    in the final product.
    because I had to record guitar and such downstairs the only
    time it would work was during the small hours of the
    morning. Iirc a neighbor/tenant had an urgent situation
    going on and I had to go solve that problem.


    REdid a friend of mine's strat with DeMarzio for the treble
    pickup. Man that thing screamed for the blues. Sustain
    that wouldn't quit, even without the brass nut.


    I love my Strat. I'd like to have a Telecaster too. I can easily
    afford it. I just know it'll wind up in the closet with the other
    two, so it's not really worth doing.


    IF you were playing out occasionally it would be a nice
    thing to have. Friend of mine used to bring 3 to gigs.
    One, an Ibanez of some sort he used for slide, a tele, and a Gibson. Having the Gibson was nice for us because if
    another guitarist sat in often he had a FEnder or FEnder
    copy. wHen you've got the two electric guitars thing
    happening I always like hearing one playing a FEnder of some sort and the other
    playing a Gibson, or something else with
    humbuckers.

    SPeaking of that, I only ever saw one in my life, but in Des MOines Iowa years ago I ran into a Tele that had been redone with humbuckers. A tele is a nice playing guitar as well,
    and that was about the perfect combination. A friend of
    mine owned the tele referenced, and I think I borrowed it
    for a couple of gigs. WAs sort of funny, both me and
    another fellow playing guitars on the bandstand, both
    playing teles, but I'd borrow this tele with the humbuckers, and we've got that
    fender/gibson blend. <cool!>

    My first guitar was an Epiphone Strat with two pick-ups. My Father
    bought it for me at a pawn shop I had found when I was 13 yrs old.
    I couldn't make the rent one month in the 70's and sold it for $50.
    Man, what a mistake!

    I've sure said that about a bunch of instruments, especially those basses I mentioned earlier. I hocked the Martin once
    since we've been here. Frozen pipes, plumbing needing
    redone and temps near zero, had to decamp us to a motel. NO $$$ on hand so hock the guitar and camp us at a motel 3
    days. tHEn when money was on-hand again hurry down to get
    that guitar out of hock. Didn't care for that one at all.

    Basses I've owned over the years:

    Classic 58 precision, left t hat one in a pawnshop in
    California back in the '70's. A white fEnder jazz, early
    '70's vintage. My first wife sold that one on me while I
    was on the road playing keys with acountry band. A few
    years later I bought an Electra jazz copy.


    I know you wish you had the Fender back too. (-:

    Both of 'em! tHe P bass especially.

    At one time, for a short while I had one of the old GIbson
    LEs Paul recording basses with the low impedance pickups and the regular xlr connector to plug it in. HEavy, man was
    that thing heavy!

    Yep. All Les Pauls are heavy. They do have great action and sound
    great, though.

    YEp, that's why I liked that tele with the humbuckers I
    mentioned earlier. Had the sound without the weight.

    FOr me guitar is primarily a writing instrument when I don't have my
    piano handy. IF I get serious about another
    recording project of my own music I"ll ahve the guitar
    sitting on a stand near my office chair and most times when
    the hands aren't busy it will be in my lap as I work on
    getting my chops back up.


    I have never attempted piano. That seems to be an instrument parents introduce kids to through lessons. I don't know anyone that just
    decided to jump in and learn piano. I'm sure there are some, but
    nothing like the mobs of guitar players that are self taught.

    I know a few that self taught themselves piano. I tell many folks that it's a good instrument to learn because it has
    all the elements necessary, rhythm, melody, chord structure. Once you've a good
    handle on piano you can translate to just about anything else, especially when it comes to writing and arranging.

    Guitar is not any easy instrument. It's easy to learn chords, and if
    one sings well, you've got a snappy campfire type combination. I'm
    not a good singer, though, so I have to concentrate on being a good musician.

    THough I"m not a true technical "singer" I write some good
    storytelling songs, and a guitar can be a lot of fun with a
    minimum of hassle. I always left the flashy guitar playing
    to somebody else, and use it mostly for either self
    accompaniment solo or support. I find that since I"m not
    recording self written music these days and my piano is
    handy usually I end up sitting down at the piano for a few
    minutes a couple times a day. I go in spurts then with the
    guitar. I'll probably end up playing more with nice weather approaching, as I can just sit back on the front porch in a
    chair with the guitar.

    Sounds like you've had several nice guitars. I know how to play bass
    only because I know how to play guitar. I've sat in for bass
    players, but I've never owned a bass guitar and amp. I prefer the
    full range of sound of chords with notes.

    true, and bass takes a special sensibility I note. I'm
    rather picky about bass players, and have often chose to do
    key bass if I couldn't find a top notch bass player. That
    bass is your bridge between rhythm elements that are
    percussive and the rest of it. WOrking with a good bassist
    and drummer is a real treat, working with one or the other
    being mediocre or poor is a struggle to get through the gig, especially with a bass player that's not up to it.

    That reminds me of a humor bit on musicians and their roles
    I found on a newsgroup. Ought to post that <g>. One of
    those humor bits that mimics the creation story in Genesis,
    first GOd gave man the guitar, and it was good, but it
    really picks on bass players and is quite the knee slapper.
    dOn't recall if it was before or after Katrina. IF after
    then it's probably on this machine somewhere.

    MOre later.


    Regards,
    Richard
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  • From Joe Bruchis@1:123/789 to Richard Webb on Thu Apr 9 22:53:54 2009
    Richard Webb -> Joe Bruchis wrote:
    Hi Joe,



    My preferred technique with most acoustic guitars of that
    type is to put a small diaphragm condenser microphone a
    couple feet away, business end pointed at where the neck
    joins the body. tHen, in case I can use it, a nice stereo
    pair of condensers back a few feet and up to get some "room
    tone" and some air in it. My thing about acoustic guitars
    is or any other instrument is that you don't put your ear
    right up to it to hear it, so you shouldn't record 'em that
    way. YEt for a good mix of the tracks you might need to
    close mic. FOr example, that nice rhythm part might discard quite a bit of the frquency spectrum to sit right. sO, I
    use the stereo pair and close mic approach both, and utilize the one
    that works in the final product.
    because I had to record guitar and such downstairs the only
    time it would work was during the small hours of the
    morning. Iirc a neighbor/tenant had an urgent situation
    going on and I had to go solve that problem.


    That's a fancy studio setup. I don't get to do any of that. My acoustic does have a pickup with a volume and tone adjustment. Not very fancy though.

    I'm going to buy one of the sound looping devices that allows one to record a rhythm loop and then play lead over it. I've been wanting one for some time. I had a Crybaby Wahwah with fuzz, but I forgot to salvage it before my X got rid of it. (-:


    IF you were playing out occasionally it would be a nice
    thing to have. Friend of mine used to bring 3 to gigs.
    One, an Ibanez of some sort he used for slide, a tele, and a Gibson. Having the Gibson was nice for us because if
    another guitarist sat in often he had a FEnder or FEnder
    copy. wHen you've got the two electric guitars thing
    happening I always like hearing one playing a FEnder of some sort and
    the other playing a Gibson, or something else with
    humbuckers.


    I really like the hollow body Telecasters. They're light and have a little less
    brittle tone than the solid bodies. My Stratocaster has the humbuckers. Can't live without those. I've never tried the metal nut, though. I found that to be an interesting twist.

    SPeaking of that, I only ever saw one in my life, but in Des MOines Iowa years ago I ran into a Tele that had been redone with humbuckers. A
    tele is a nice playing guitar as well,
    and that was about the perfect combination. A friend of
    mine owned the tele referenced, and I think I borrowed it
    for a couple of gigs. WAs sort of funny, both me and
    another fellow playing guitars on the bandstand, both
    playing teles, but I'd borrow this tele with the humbuckers, and we've
    got that fender/gibson blend. <cool!>

    Teles are very diverse even though they are used a lot for blues/R&R.

    This fellow is one of my favoites on a hollow body Telecaster:

    http://tinyurl.com/cykx5j


    I've sure said that about a bunch of instruments, especially those
    basses I mentioned earlier. I hocked the Martin once
    since we've been here. Frozen pipes, plumbing needing
    redone and temps near zero, had to decamp us to a motel. NO $$$ on hand so hock the guitar and camp us at a motel 3
    days. tHEn when money was on-hand again hurry down to get
    that guitar out of hock. Didn't care for that one at all.


    That'll teach you some blues. (-:

    They are very marketable though. I had another electric acoustic that was an offbrand. I don't remember the name now. I paid around $100 for it and when I bought my StratO, the salesman, a friend of mine, was able to get me $250 for it. He played well and had a good sales pitch.

    THough I"m not a true technical "singer" I write some good
    storytelling songs, and a guitar can be a lot of fun with a
    minimum of hassle. I always left the flashy guitar playing
    to somebody else, and use it mostly for either self
    accompaniment solo or support. I find that since I"m not
    recording self written music these days and my piano is
    handy usually I end up sitting down at the piano for a few
    minutes a couple times a day. I go in spurts then with the
    guitar. I'll probably end up playing more with nice weather
    approaching, as I can just sit back on the front porch in a
    chair with the guitar.

    Now you're relaxing the right way!


    true, and bass takes a special sensibility I note. I'm
    rather picky about bass players, and have often chose to do
    key bass if I couldn't find a top notch bass player. That
    bass is your bridge between rhythm elements that are
    percussive and the rest of it. WOrking with a good bassist
    and drummer is a real treat, working with one or the other
    being mediocre or poor is a struggle to get through the gig, especially with a bass player that's not up to it.

    I've seen some awesome bass players in the local spots in N.O. There's a few places on and near Oak St. that have live music during the week. I don't know how familiar you are with funk music. I hate the name. It's taken from Jazz guitar and is played 16 beats to the measure with alternating muted and played chords. The bass comes intermittent with the muted strikes, and the bass and drums are actually a rhythm section together. Anyway, I guess it's what's referred to as a fusion. I've seen a lot of guys with 5 string basses that play
    really complex riffs in funk bands. Put a couple of saxes in there with a keyboard and that's a true New Orleans sound. They often fade into pure Jazz. Almost impossible to explain in writing.


    That reminds me of a humor bit on musicians and their roles
    I found on a newsgroup. Ought to post that <g>. One of
    those humor bits that mimics the creation story in Genesis,
    first GOd gave man the guitar, and it was good, but it
    really picks on bass players and is quite the knee slapper.
    dOn't recall if it was before or after Katrina. IF after
    then it's probably on this machine somewhere.

    I'd like to read that one. (-:

    Regards,

    Joe

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