• ...

    From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Oct 12 15:34:13 2020
    Telegram side works fine too!
    Now we start testing the new version. Everything was rewritten from scratch. There may be glitches. ;)

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 15:34:22 2020
    Already noticed one...
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 15:36:22 2020
    Not on the fidonet side, when you reply from telegram to a message.
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 15:37:14 2020
    Only the first line is quoted.
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Oct 12 15:48:06 2020
    Hello, Wilfred van Velzen - All.
    On 10/12/20 3:37 PM you wrote:

    Only the first line is quoted.

    It is more like a dynamic link to the message being quoted. In Telegram,
    if you click on the message being quoted, it will take you to the
    original message.

    It is confusing to someone from a regular Fido type message world.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android

    ---
    * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Oct 12 15:51:19 2020
    Only the first line is quoted.
    This is a reply from the TgM side. Let's see what the Subj is.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Oct 12 16:02:08 2020
    Hi Wilfred.

    12 Oct 20 15:34, you wrote to All:

    @MSGID: 2:460/58 00000354
    @PID: tg2fido_gate_v0.6.1
    @CHRS: CP866 2
    @TGUID: 202096118
    @REPLYTO 2:280/464
    @RealName: Wilfred van Velzen 2:280/464
    Already noticed one...

    MSGID looks fine now.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
    SEEN-BY: 221/6 460/58 777 1124 5858 467/888 5054/30
    @PATH: 460/58

    'Tommi

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: nntps://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Oct 12 16:09:16 2020
    Hi, Tommi!

    12 «¬Γ 20 16:02, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van Velzen:

    MSGID looks fine now.

    Now I need to remember to restore the replay link in telegram. ;)

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- ô «ñ¡¿σ ½εñÑ⌐, »«½πΦáα¿∩ »α¿¬αδóáεΓß∩ ¬«ßΓ∩¼¿ τÑαÑ»á, π ñαπú¿σ - ΦΓá¡á¼¿.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Oct 12 16:14:10 2020
    Hi, Tommi!

    12 «¬Γ 20 16:02, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van Velzen:

    MSGID looks fine now.

    Now I need to remember to restore the replay link in telegram. ;)

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.
    That would be nice! Usually when we hover over the msg, the "Reply" option reveals itself - which is convenient.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 16:19:20 2020
    The first line of post was a good strategy. But can you keep the subject the same when we do a Reply on a fido-side message?
    Yes. On Fido side subject is preserved.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 16:20:06 2020
    Hello, August Abolins - Stas Mishchenkov .
    On 10/12/20 4:14 PM you wrote:

    Hi, Tommi! SM> SM> 12 «¬Γ 20 16:02, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van
    Velzen: SM> SM> TK> MSGID looks fine now. SM> SM> Now I need to
    remember to restore the replay link in telegram. ;) SM> SM> Have
    nice nights. SM> Stas Mishchenkov. That would be nice!
    Usually when we hover over the msg, the "Reply" option reveals
    itself - which is convenient.

    That's new. Normally, the messages when I reply in HotdogEd divide the
    message I am replying to up by previous messages in the thread.

    This time, nearly the entire prior message is in one block.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1 * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas
    Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android

    ---
    * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6 to Brother Rabbit on Mon Oct 12 16:24:16 2020
    Hello, Brother Rabbit - August Abolins.
    On 10/12/20 4:19 PM you wrote:

    The first line of post was a good strategy. But can you keep the
    subject the same when we do a Reply on a fido-side message?

    I manually split the quote block to see what happens.

    Yes. On Fido side subject is preserved.

    But it's not retaining between the two.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android

    ---
    * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 16:26:27 2020
    Hello, August Abolins - Stas Mishchenkov .
    On 10/12/20 4:14 PM you wrote:

    Hi, Tommi! SM> SM> 12 «¬Γ 20 16:02, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van
    Velzen: SM> SM> TK> MSGID looks fine now. SM> SM> Now I need to remember to restore the replay link in telegram. ;) SM> SM> Have
    nice nights. SM> Stas Mishchenkov. That would be nice!
    Usually when we hover over the msg, the "Reply" option reveals
    itself - which is convenient.

    That's new. Normally, the messages when I reply in HotdogEd divide the message I am replying to up by previous messages in the thread.

    This time, nearly the entire prior message is in one block.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1 * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    I wonder how that message will look when it arrives at one of my points. It appears inbound is going slow everywhere except Tommi's right now.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 15:28:26 2020
    Hi August,

    On 2020-10-12 15:51:19, you wrote to me:

    Only the first line is quoted.
    This is a reply from the TgM side. Let's see what the Subj is.

    "..."


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Oct 12 15:30:44 2020
    Hi Tommi,

    On 2020-10-12 16:02:08, you wrote to me:

    @MSGID: 2:460/58 00000354

    MSGID looks fine now.

    Well, normally you want to base your MSGID on the time, and not use a sequence number. Because if you re-install the application (within 3 years), it will probably restart at 0 again, and you have created duplicate MSGID's...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 08:47:45 2020
    Hello, Charles Pierson.
    On 10/12/20 4:24 PM you wrote:

    Hello, Brother Rabbit - August Abolins. On 10/12/20 4:19 PM you
    wrote:
    The first line of post was a good strategy. But can you keep the
    subject the same when we do a Reply on a fido-side message?
    I manually split the quote block to see what happens.
    Yes. On Fido side subject is preserved.
    But it's not retaining between the two.
    --
    Best regards! Posted using Hotdoged on Android --- * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)
    Yes. That looks normal. But it required manual manipulation on my part.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 17:12:30 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    12 «¬Γ 20 16:24, Charles Pierson -> Brother Rabbit:

    Yes. On Fido side subject is preserved.

    But it's not retaining between the two.

    ...between the two messages from the Telegram. It's normal. Telegram messages have no any idea what is "subject".

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- åÑ¡Θ¿¡δ αÑó¡πεΓ, »«Γ«¼π τΓ« º¡áεΓ, ¡á τΓ« ß»«ß«í¡δ ªÑ¡Θ¿¡δ.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Oct 12 17:22:36 2020
    Hi, Wilfred!

    12 «¬Γ 20 15:30, Wilfred van Velzen -> Tommi Koivula:

    @MSGID: 2:460/58 00000354

    MSGID looks fine now.

    Well, normally you want to base your MSGID on the time, and not use a sequence number. Because if you re-install the application (within 3 years), it will probably restart at 0 again, and you have created duplicate MSGID's...

    However, such MSGID does not violate the standard. In this case, it is made on the basis of Telegram msg_id and allows replies from Fido to be chained on the Telegram side.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- èáªñδ⌐ αẠíπσá⌐ ¬á¬ »«ß½Ññ¡¿⌐. Å«Γ«¼π τΓ« «ñ¡áªñδ Γᬠ¿ íπñÑΓ.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Oct 12 16:33:50 2020
    Hi Stas,

    On 2020-10-12 17:22:36, you wrote to me:

    @MSGID: 2:460/58 00000354

    MSGID looks fine now.

    Well, normally you want to base your MSGID on the time, and not use a
    sequence number. Because if you re-install the application (within 3
    years), it will probably restart at 0 again, and you have created
    duplicate MSGID's...

    However, such MSGID does not violate the standard. In this case, it is made
    on the basis of Telegram msg_id and allows replies from Fido to be chained on the Telegram side.

    If the Telegram msg_id is guaranteed to be unique over the life time of the Telegram group, then it's ok... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Oct 12 09:30:36 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
    On 10/12/20 5:12 PM you wrote:

    Hi, Charles! 12 «¬Γ 20 16:24, Charles Pierson -> Brother Rabbit:
    Yes. On Fido side subject is preserved.
    But it's not retaining between the two.
    ...between the two messages from the Telegram. It's normal.
    Telegram messages have no any idea what is "subject".

    OK. I get it. Bouncing between feeds is confusing me.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Oct 12 17:48:12 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    12 «¬Γ 20 16:24, Charles Pierson -> Brother Rabbit:

    Yes. On Fido side subject is preserved.

    But it's not retaining between the two.

    ...between the two messages from the Telegram. It's normal. Telegram messages have no any idea what is "subject".

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.
    --subj:subj as 3 dots--I think the first implementation using the first 40chars of an original message was pretty good. When viewing in List mode on the fido side we would see something useful to trigger a memory of what the message might be about. With just the 3 dots, the List view is not helpful. See attached pic.
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f846caa.jpg



    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 16:54:49 2020
    Hi August,

    On 2020-10-12 17:48:12, you wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

    --subj:subj as 3 dots--I think the first implementation using the
    first 40chars of an original message was pretty good. When viewing in List mode on the fido side we would see something useful to trigger a memory of what the message might be about. With just the 3 dots, the
    List view is not helpful.

    I agree...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Oct 12 09:47:50 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
    On 10/12/20 5:22 PM you wrote:

    Well, normally you want to base your MSGID on the time, and not
    use a sequence number. Because if you re-install the application
    (within 3 years), it will probably restart at 0 again, and you
    have created duplicate MSGID's...
    However, such MSGID does not violate the standard. In this case,
    it is made on the basis of Telegram msg_id and allows replies from
    Fido to be chained on the Telegram side.

    I don't fully know or understand the standards. But for practical purposes, is MSGID the only thing FIDO uses to identify messages?



    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 18:43:13 2020
    The Telegram poll is insanely fast already. <G> I'm a lousy typist and I hate seeing a typo get sent. I like the idea that Telegram allows an option to re-edit, but the TgM gate consumes the message almost immediately. Maybe add a feature to process incoming TgM messages at :00, :15, :30, :45 time slots according to the real time. ???
    Here is the problem with that idea, as I understand it. Stas's gate has nothing to do with sending the message you type. It's just like Messenger or Text. His gate simply transfers between Telegram and Fido.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 18:53:11 2020
    Here is the problem with that idea, as I understand it. Stas's gate has nothing to do with sending the message you type. It's just like Messenger or Text. His gate simply transfers between Telegram and Fido.
    The gate software picks up the Telegram content and feeds it to Fido. I'm just suggesting that it doesn't feed immediately. Maybe it can wait at :00, :15, :30, and :45 time slots. Otherwise, this TgM/Fido experience is forcing me to double-check my messages before I "send" it. LOL. I like the spelling-check in TgM. At least I can fix those obvious things while still editing. But it would be nice to correct a post if I forgot to add a link or another sentence.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Oct 12 11:01:56 2020
    Hello, Charles Pierson.
    On 10/12/20 6:43 PM you wrote:

    The Telegram poll is insanely fast already. <G> I'm a lousy
    typist and I hate seeing a typo get sent. I like the idea that
    Telegram allows an option to re-edit, but the TgM gate consumes
    the message almost immediately. Maybe add a feature to process
    incoming TgM messages at :00, :15, :30, :45 time slots according
    to the real time. ???
    Here is the problem with that idea, as I understand it. Stas's
    gate has nothing to do with sending the message you type. It's
    just like Messenger or Text. His gate simply transfers between
    Telegram and Fido. --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1 * Origin: Telegram to
    fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
    Stas,

    I know that it's improbable, but this is I believe a Telegram-Telegram message. There isn't a way to hold the Subj: on those is there, since Telegram doesn't do Subject?
    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 18:06:10 2020
    12 Oct 20 17:48, I wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

    --subj:subj as 3 dots--I think the first implementation using the
    first 40chars of an original message was pretty good. When viewing in List mode on the fido side we would see something useful to trigger a memory of what the message might be about. With just the 3 dots, the
    List view is not helpful. See attached pic. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f846caa.jpg

    Interesting. My original message did not take the "--subj:" line that I put in there. :( We're back to dots. Did I forget the CR after the last 2 dashes?


    ---
    * Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Oct 12 19:15:22 2020
    Hi Wilfred.

    12 Oct 20 15:30:44, you wrote to me:

    Hi Tommi,

    On 2020-10-12 16:02:08, you wrote to me:

    @MSGID: 2:460/58 00000354

    MSGID looks fine now.

    Well, normally you want to base your MSGID on the time, and not use a sequence number. Because
    if you re-install the application (within 3 years), it will probably restart at 0 again, and
    you have created duplicate MSGID's...

    So true, but that zero-padded seq number is very valid.

    'Tommi

    ---
    * Origin: 2001:470:1f15:cb0:2:221:0:1 (2:221/0.1)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Oct 12 19:41:38 2020
    Hi, Wilfred!

    12 «¬Γ 20 16:33, Wilfred van Velzen -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    If the Telegram msg_id is guaranteed to be unique over the life time
    of the Telegram group, then it's ok... ;)

    Unfortunately, I'm not completely sure about that.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- ô «ñ¡¿σ ½εñÑ⌐, »«½πΦáα¿∩ »α¿¬αδóáεΓß∩ ¬«ßΓ∩¼¿ τÑαÑ»á, π ñαπú¿σ - ΦΓá¡á¼¿.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 19:46:38 2020
    Hi, August!

    12 «¬Γ 20 17:48, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    --subj:subj as 3 dots--

    Here MUST be CR. Otherwise, false positives are possible.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- æΓδñ¡« íδóáÑΓ Γ«½∞¬« ºá Γ«, τΓ« »«¼¡¿Φ∞. ǽ¬«ú«½∞.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 11:50:00 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/12/20 6:53 PM you wrote:

    The gate software picks up the Telegram content and feeds it to
    Fido. I'm just suggesting that it doesn't feed immediately. Maybe
    it can wait at :00, :15, :30, and :45 time slots. Otherwise, this TgM/Fido experience is forcing me to double-check my messages
    before I "send" it. LOL. I like the spelling-check in TgM. At
    least I can fix those obvious things while still editing. But it
    would be nice to correct a post if I forgot to add a link or
    another sentence.

    Yes. But Telegram itself sends upon you hitting the send button. Once it is in the gate que, it's there. The only way I could see around that is if there were a "recall message" function like email programs might have.

    I'm not sure that is a functionality Stas would have access to with his gatebot.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 20:02:12 2020
    --subj:CR required, or false positives--
    Hello Stas. I'm pretty sure I had added the CR after that post. Maybe the attachment (the photo) tripped the parser somehow?
    I just did a screenshot from the NNTP feed at Tommi's. Doesn't appear to be a CR
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f848c12.jpg



    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 20:09:11 2020
    Thanks for that. I see that there does indeed seem to be a missing CR. But I swear I pressed CR after the last pair of dashes. In Telegram I *have* to press backspace to produce two distinct dashes, and then I am quite accustomed to press CR after that so that the body of the message begins on a new line.

    Maybe the photo attachment affected the result and caused the removal of any CRs?
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 20:29:22 2020
    --subj:subj test + photo--Here (attached) is what the post looked like on Telegram after I sent it.Note that my --subj was on a line by itself.And, for the sake of testing, THIS message has a Subj that I entered manually. However, this time, I am add two CRs so that there is a blank line before the body of the message.
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f849270.jpg


    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 20:45:12 2020
    I saw no CR on the Fido side
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 20:46:12 2020
    I saw no CR on the Fido side
    BUT there is on Telegram.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 12:43:52 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/12/20 8:29 PM you wrote:

    --subj:subj test + photo--Here (attached) is what the post looked
    like on Telegram after I sent it.Note that my --subj was on a line
    by itself.And, for the sake of testing, THIS message has a Subj
    that I entered manually. However, this time, I am add two CRs so
    that there is a blank line before the body of the message. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f849270.jpg

    Again, no CR is apparent on the Fido side.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 20:57:13 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/12/20 8:29 PM you wrote:

    --subj:subj test + photo--Here (attached) is what the post looked like on Telegram after I sent it.Note that my --subj was on a line
    by itself.And, for the sake of testing, THIS message has a Subj
    that I entered manually. However, this time, I am add two CRs so
    that there is a blank line before the body of the message. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f849270.jpg

    Again, no CR is apparent on the Fido side.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    Thanks for that. I guess the attachment breaks the message. And.. we're back to 3 dots in the subject too. :(

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 22:23:14 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    12 «¬Γ 20 09:47, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    However, such MSGID does not violate the standard. In this case,
    it is made on the basis of Telegram msg_id and allows replies from
    Fido to be chained on the Telegram side.

    I don't fully know or understand the standards. But for practical purposes, is MSGID the only thing FIDO uses to identify messages?

    Yes you are right.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- æá¼δ⌐ ¼«⌐ »α«óÑαÑ¡¡δ⌐ αÑµÑ»Γ - ߬áºáΓ∞ ªÑ¡Ñ, τΓ« σ«τÑΦ∞ í«αΘá.
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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 22:37:22 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    12 «¬Γ 20 18:43, Charles Pierson -> August Abolins:

    Here is the problem with that idea, as I understand it. Stas's gate
    has nothing to do with sending the message you type. It's just like Messenger or Text. His gate simply transfers between Telegram and
    Fido.

    It gets messages from the Telegram's group and sends them to Fido echo...

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- èΓ« ¡Ñ ½εí¿Γ ó¿¡á, ªÑ¡Θ¿¡ ¿ »ÑßÑ¡, Γᬠñypᬫ¼ ¿ y¼pÑΓ!
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  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 22:52:53 2020
    That looks fine on the TgM side. TgM pulls in and shows the pic automatically. Let's see if THIS TgM reply will inherit the subject that you created on the Fido side.
    HotdogEd uses a different host link for images attached than the gateway does. Strangely, I can't find that message on Tommi's NNTP yet.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 22:53:03 2020
    HotdogEd uses a different host link for images attached than the gateway does.
    Strangely, I can't find that message on Tommi's NNTP yet.
    It should show up any time now. I received on my Italian point a little while ago.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 22:53:12 2020
    It was there. I must have flipped past it. And I default to Hide read messages on HotdogEd.
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Oct 12 15:12:15 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
    On 10/12/20 10:37 PM you wrote:

    Here is the problem with that idea, as I understand it. Stas's
    gate has nothing to do with sending the message you type. It's
    just like Messenger or Text. His gate simply transfers between
    Telegram and Fido.
    It gets messages from the Telegram's group and sends them to Fido
    echo...

    Exactly. So what August vis asking, a "recall message" like functionality, I don't think is possible is it?


    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Oct 12 23:30:30 2020
    Hi, Tommi!

    12 «¬Γ 20 19:15, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van Velzen:

    Well, normally you want to base your MSGID on the time, and not use a
    sequence number. Because if you re-install the application (within 3
    years), it will probably restart at 0 again, and you have created
    duplicate MSGID's...

    So true, but that zero-padded seq number is very valid.

    And it can be translated back to the Telegrams message_id.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- èáªñδ⌐ αẠíπσá⌐ ¬á¬ »«ß½Ññ¡¿⌐. Å«Γ«¼π τΓ« «ñ¡áªñδ Γᬠ¿ íπñÑΓ.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 23:39:17 2020
    12* _Oct 20 17:48, I wrote to S_tas M*ishch*e_nko_v:

    --subj:subj as 3 dots--I think the first implementation using the first 40chars of an original message was pretty good. When viewing in List mode on the fido side we would see something useful to trigger a memory of what the message might be about. With just the 3 dots, the List view is not helpful. See attached pic. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f846caa.jpg

    Interesting. My original message did not take the "--subj:" line that I put in there. :( We're back to dots. Did I forget the CR after the last 2 dashes?


    ---
    Yes. CR *must* be.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Brother Rabbit on Mon Oct 12 23:44:25 2020
    Yes. CR must be.
    The CR was included. The attached photo shows what my post looked like on the TgM side. My --subj was there + the CR to place it on a line by itself. Then my message as below it. What appears to be happening is that the CRs are being ignored if the message has an attachment.
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f84c027.jpg



    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 23:49:14 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/12/20 6:53 PM you wrote:

    The gate software picks up the Telegram content and feeds it to
    Fido. I'm just suggesting that it doesn't feed immediately. Maybe
    it can wait at :00, :15, :30, and :45 time slots. Otherwise, this TgM/Fido experience is forcing me to double-check my messages
    before I "send" it. LOL. I like the spelling-check in TgM. At
    least I can fix those obvious things while still editing. But it would be nice to correct a post if I forgot to add a link or
    another sentence.

    Yes. But Telegram itself sends upon you hitting the send button. Once it is in the gate que, it's there. The only way I could see around that is if there were a "recall message" function like email programs might have.

    I'm not sure that is a functionality Stas would have access to with his gatebot.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    Fido's technology does not allow you to somehow control an already sent message.
    The gate now works in about the same way as the usual Fido mail tosser, with the only difference that Telegram servers are used to store and read messages.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to All on Mon Oct 12 23:56:09 2020
    It looks as it is not possible to have a CR in the file description (caption). --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Brother Rabbit on Mon Oct 12 23:58:11 2020
    It looks as it is not possible to have a CR in the file description (caption).
    True. But I wrote the message *first*. Then, I added the photo with an empty caption.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Brother Rabbit on Mon Oct 12 16:14:55 2020
    Hello, Brother Rabbit.
    On 10/12/20 11:49 PM you wrote:

    Yes. But Telegram itself sends upon you hitting the send button.
    Once it is in the gate que, it's there. The only way I could see
    around that is if there were a "recall message" function like
    email programs might have. I'm not sure that is a functionality
    Stas would have access to with his gatebot.
    --
    Best regards! Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    Fido's technology does not allow you to somehow control an already
    sent message. The gate now works in about the same way as the
    usual Fido mail tosser, with the only difference that Telegram
    servers are used to store and read messages.

    That's what I was thinking. Once you send the message, it's sent.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (2:240/1120.976)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to August Abolins on Tue Oct 13 00:16:20 2020
    Hi, August!

    12 «¬Γ 20 20:09, August Abolins -> All:

    Maybe the photo attachment affected the result and caused the removal
    of any CRs?

    It's not a message with attachment. It works in other way. It is file with decripion (caption).

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- ÄτÑ¡∞ »«¼«úáÑΓ »α«ß¡πΓ∞ß∩ ß πΓαá áαíπº ß óÑτÑαá.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Tue Oct 13 00:32:40 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    12 «¬Γ 20 15:12, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    Exactly. So what August vis asking, a "recall message" like
    functionality, I don't think is possible is it?

    This is not possible technically.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- æ¡Ñß½á ¬πα«τ¬á ∩¿τ¬« ßΓáਪ㠨 óδαếΓѽ∞¡« »«ß¼«ΓαÑ½á ¡á ¼«ñÑαáΓ«αá.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to All on Tue Oct 13 00:42:14 2020
    This trick does not work for file descriptions. Perhaps I will deal with this later.
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to All on Tue Oct 13 01:08:23 2020
    Strange. *Bold* (Ctrl+B) /Italic/ (Ctrl+I) end _underline_ (Ctrl+U) should work proper on Fido side.
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Brother Rabbit on Tue Oct 13 01:31:11 2020
    This trick does not work for file descriptions. Perhaps I will deal with this later.
    Also the file attaches such as:
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f848c12.jpg https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f849270.jpg
    ..where recorded with those URLs but the did not render on your computer.
    Maybe the problem is related?
    BTW.. I miss the way you built the subject lines out of the first 40-char of a message. The 3-dots look bad (rendering the Subj unusable) on the fido side.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Tue Oct 13 01:34:11 2020
    Also the file attaches such as:
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f848c12.jpg https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f849270.jpg
    ..where recorded with those URLs but the did not render on your computer. Maybe the problem is related?
    BTW.. I miss the way you built the subject lines out of the first 40-char of a message. The 3-dots look bad (rendering the Subj unusable) on the fido side.
    Those links give me a 404 error.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Brother Rabbit on Tue Oct 13 20:32:00 2020
    On 10-12-20 15:34, Brother Rabbit wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-

    Telegram side works fine too!
    Now we start testing the new version. Everything was rewritten from scratch. There may be glitches. ;)

    Cool. :)


    ... If you're thinking what I'm thinking, you need professional help.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Tue Oct 13 17:43:11 2020
    Indeed. That is quite an achievement.

    August does seem to have distinctive ideas. Good one's, but sometimes a bit too complicated to put into action within the perimeter of the program I think.
    That was putting it very diplomatically. ? I have been told that I have crazy ideas! LOL In anycase.. when I report an issue, I like to posit a solution or an approach to one.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to All on Tue Oct 13 17:52:10 2020
    Oh.. and regarding Veleno, you are responsible to trigger the tossing inorder to see the new arrivals. Select option "7. Receive messages" in the side panel.
    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Tue Oct 13 18:07:10 2020
    That was putting it very diplomatically. ? I have been told that I have crazy ideas! LOL In anycase.. when I report an issue, I like to posit a solution or an approach to one.
    Very laudable approach.

    I'm not a coder/programmer/developer whatever you want to call them. But I have a pretty good idea of how it works sometimes.

    I used to work for a very large Oilfield company, in the warehouse, then shipping, then in the customer service, although my actual job dealt little with customers directly.

    But I was recognized as a process expert for those three areas as well as logistics.

    I learned how the entire process went, from a field engineer making his list of material requirements to him receiving them. Every step. Every outside purchase, reading production orders, all of it.

    So when the company began a new program for shipping and logistics, I was heavily involved in the testing.

    After they released the program to go live at my facility, which didn't work as planned, as I said it wouldn't, I spent weeks working 20 hour days 7 days a week forcing the system through while working with the developers to get it fixed for global release.

    I then spent my remaining 3 years there "translating" between the end users and the developers to fix any issues, besides my normal job.

    Needless to say, I got pretty good at recognizing what people wanted a program to do, what developers intended it to do, and figuring out how to explain to either group how and why it was or wasn't possible.

    Come to think of it, that situation was very similar to this, taking multiple different programs that were seemingly incompatible and forcing them to work together.

    --- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
    * Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Wed Oct 14 13:14:40 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    13 «¬Γ 20 01:34, Charles Pierson -> August Abolins:

    Also the file attaches such as:
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f848c12.jpg
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5f849270.jpg
    ..where recorded with those URLs but the did not render on your computer.
    Maybe the problem is related?
    BTW.. I miss the way you built the subject lines out of the first 40-char
    of a message. The 3-dots look bad (rendering the Subj unusable) on the
    fido side.

    Those links give me a 404 error.

    Found and fixed a typo in the code. It should work correctly now.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- î¡Ñ íÑß»«½Ñº¡« τΓ«-½¿í« ºá»αÑΘáΓ∞, ∩ ¿ Γᬠ¡Ñ ß«í¿αáεß∞ ¡¿τÑú« ñѽáΓ∞.
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Stas Mishchenkov on Fri Nov 13 16:42:46 2020
    * Forwarded from Area : WIFI

    Hi Stas,

    On 2020-11-12 20:49:11, Charles Pierson wrote to me:

    @MSGID: 2:460/58 00000006
    @PID: tg_BBS_v0.6.2
    @INTL 2:460/58 2:460/58
    @CHRS: CP866 2
    @TGUID: 1223717052
    @REPLYTO 2:460/58 1223717052
    @RealName: August Abolins 2:221/1.58
    --- tg BBS v0.6.2
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
    SEEN-BY: 124/5016 154/10 203/0 221/0 1 6 360 280/464 320/219
    423/81 460/58
    SEEN-BY: 460/777 1124 5858 5054/30
    @PATH: 460/58 221/6 1 203/0 280/464

    ... There is no message body? ;)

    If anything such as changing the Telegram Group name or photo is done,
    a blank message shows on the Fido side.

    Maybe it's possible the gate software detects these empty messages, and not send them through the gate to the fidonet side?

    Bye, Wilfred.


    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to All on Fri Nov 13 19:19:11 2020

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs



    --- tg BBS v0.6.2
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Fri Nov 13 17:33:49 2020
    Hi Charles,

    On 2020-11-13 19:19:11, you wrote to All:

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs

    My browser doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a file... ?

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Nov 13 20:18:12 2020
    Hi Charles,

    On 2020-11-13 19:19:11, you wrote to All:

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs

    My browser doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a file... ?

    Bye, Wilfred.

    That's what a sticker does in the transfer.


    --- tg BBS v0.6.2
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Fri Nov 13 20:52:56 2020
    Hi Charles,

    On 2020-11-13 20:18:12, you wrote to me:

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs

    My browser doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the
    fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a file... ?

    That's what a sticker does in the transfer.

    So it's not really usefull to transfer stickers to the fidonet side...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:229/426.67 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Nov 13 17:33:56 2020
    Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
    On 11/13/20 8:52 PM you wrote:

    Hi Charles, On 2020-11-13 20:18:12, you wrote to me:
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs My browser
    doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the
    fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a
    file... ?
    That's what a sticker does in the transfer.
    So it's not really usefull to transfer stickers to the fidonet
    side...

    Not really, no.

    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Houston, TX (1:229/426.67)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Nov 14 09:43:28 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    13 Nov 2020 17:33, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson:

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs

    My browser doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a file... ?

    tgs is equal to tar.gz, this have to be a suported mime in g0x.ru webserver as a mime defined mimetype


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/5.9.7-gentoo-x86_64 (x86_64))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to Benny Pedersen on Sat Nov 14 13:07:12 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    13 Nov 2020 17:33, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson:

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs

    My browser doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a file... ?

    tgs is equal to tar.gz, this have to be a suported mime in g0x.ru webserver as a mime defined mimetype


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

    Are you sure enough? It looks more like some kind of MOJO object. That it probably is.
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fafac4f.jpg




    --- tg BBS v0.6.2
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to Benny Pedersen on Sat Nov 14 13:21:11 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    13 Nov 2020 17:33, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson:

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs

    My browser doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a file... ?

    tgs is equal to tar.gz, this have to be a suported mime in g0x.ru webserver as a mime defined mimetype


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

    What is TGS file?
    Full format name of files that use TGS extension is GSTree Phylogenetic Tree Information. TGS file format is compatible with software that can be installed on Windows system platform. TGS file belongs to the Misc Files category just like 5478 other filename extensions listed in our database. The most popular software that supports TGS files is GeneStudio. Software named GeneStudio was created by GeneStudio, Inc.. In order to find more detailed information on the software and TGS files, check the developer?s official website.
    https://www.file-extension.info/format/tgs


    --- tg BBS v0.6.2
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Benny Pedersen on Sat Nov 14 17:03:39 2020
    Hi Benny,

    On 2020-11-14 09:43:28, you wrote to me:

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5faeb1fe.tgs

    My browser doesn't know what to do with a .tgs file (clicked on the
    fidonet side). So it only gives the option to save it as a file... ?

    tgs is equal to tar.gz, this have to be a suported mime in g0x.ru webserver
    as a mime defined mimetype

    Are you sure? .tar.gz Is usually shortend to .tgz, not .tgs.

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Brother Rabbit on Sat Nov 14 17:05:12 2020
    Hi Brother,

    On 2020-11-14 13:07:12, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Are you sure enough? It looks more like some kind of MOJO object. That
    it probably is.

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fafac4f.jpg

    That content is a JSON file...


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Nov 14 21:58:15 2020
    Hi Brother,

    On 2020-11-14 13:07:12, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Are you sure enough? It looks more like some kind of MOJO object. That
    it probably is.

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fafac4f.jpg

    That content is a JSON file...


    Bye, Wilfred.

    Yes. I also meant it. I was just a little wrong, because just picking in the insides of MOJO.


    --- tg BBS v0.6.2
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Nov 15 15:03:06 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    14 Nov 2020 17:03, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Are you sure? .tar.gz Is usually shortend to .tgz, not .tgs.

    tgs is not defined mimetype in linux, while tgz is equant to tar.gz file type

    adding tgs to webserver will help if browsers know how to display a tgs file


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/5.9.8-gentoo-x86_64 (x86_64))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to Benny Pedersen on Sun Nov 15 18:18:11 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    14 Nov 2020 17:03, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Are you sure? .tar.gz Is usually shortend to .tgz, not .tgs.

    tgs is not defined mimetype in linux, while tgz is equant to tar.gz file type

    adding tgs to webserver will help if browsers know how to display a tgs file


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

    In this case, .tgs is the file type for Telegram Stickers. I wouldn't know where to begin making them readable elsewhere.


    --- tg BBS v0.6.2
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Benny Pedersen on Sun Nov 15 16:29:23 2020
    Hi Benny,

    On 2020-11-15 15:03:06, you wrote to me:

    Are you sure? .tar.gz Is usually shortend to .tgz, not .tgs.

    tgs is not defined mimetype in linux, while tgz is equant to tar.gz file type

    That's what I'm saying. ;)

    adding tgs to webserver will help if browsers know how to display a
    tgs file

    But browsers don't know how to display this file type, that's the problem...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:460/58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Nov 15 18:35:11 2020
    Hi Benny,

    On 2020-11-15 15:03:06, you wrote to me:

    Are you sure? .tar.gz Is usually shortend to .tgz, not .tgs.

    tgs is not defined mimetype in linux, while tgz is equant to tar.gz file
    type

    That's what I'm saying. ;)

    adding tgs to webserver will help if browsers know how to display a tgs file

    But browsers don't know how to display this file type, that's the problem...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    They can be deactivated in the group if it becomes an issue.


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  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to All on Sun Nov 15 20:28:11 2020

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fb1652a.webp



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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Charles Pierson on Mon Nov 16 11:22:24 2020
    Hello Charles!

    15 Nov 2020 18:18, Charles Pierson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    In this case, .tgs is the file type for Telegram Stickers. I wouldn't know where to begin making them readable elsewhere.

    good, linux is ready for this new mimetype :)


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Charles Pierson on Mon Nov 16 09:48:00 2020
    Charles Pierson wrote to Benny Pedersen <=-

    In this case, .tgs is the file type for Telegram Stickers. I wouldn't
    know where to begin making them readable elsewhere.

    Great, more unparseable extensions that aren't supported in FTN
    messages?

    I'm concerned that, while it's intruiging to opening Fidonet
    messaging to other platforms, it's not improving the experience from
    a Fido perspective (with the exception of having more eyeballs on the
    messages posted on Fidonet)


    ... Abandon normal instruments
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Nov 16 09:54:00 2020
    This is an example of how some of these Telegram messages look on the
    Fidonet side. How is this an improvement, again?

    My BBS environment is intentionally separate from the web. The joy I
    receive from BBSing is specifically because of the lack of likes,
    links, and forwarded content. I want to read what people are thinking,
    not what they're clicking on.

    If there's a way to share the concepts, ideas and content of Fidonet
    through alternative means, I'm all for it. But keep what makes FTN
    unique.



    ========================================================================
    System: realitycheckBBS
    Area: FIDONET Fidonet Futures discussions
    Date: 11-15-20 20:28
    From: Brother Rabbit
    To: All
    Subj: ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fb1652a.webp



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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Nov 16 13:03:41 2020
    Hello, Kurt Weiske.
    On 11/16/20 9:48 AM you wrote:

    Charles Pierson wrote to Benny Pedersen <=-
    In this case, .tgs is the file type for Telegram Stickers. I
    wouldn't know where to begin making them readable elsewhere.
    Great, more unparseable extensions that aren't supported in FTN messages?

    Apparently so. As I've said, it's something that can be disabled, and I would say probably should in the groups tied to Fidonet echos.

    I'm concerned that, while it's intruiging to opening Fidonet
    messaging to other platforms, it's not improving the experience
    from a Fido perspective (with the exception of having more
    eyeballs on the messages posted on Fidonet)

    There are two ideas here, one is as a way to follow and participate in some Fidonet echos while away from your system.

    The other is a way to introduce people to Fidonet that might not be familiar with it, and from there teaching them about Telnet, offline readers and the like.

    I see that it has some potential, but I agree more work needs to be done.

    --
    Best regards!
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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Benny Pedersen on Mon Nov 16 06:33:31 2020
    Hello, Benny Pedersen.
    On 11/16/20 11:22 AM you wrote:

    Hello Charles! 15 Nov 2020 18:18, Charles Pierson wrote to Benny Pedersen:
    In this case, .tgs is the file type for Telegram Stickers. I
    wouldn't know where to begin making them readable elsewhere.
    good, linux is ready for this new mimetype :)

    Linux is welcome to it.

    --
    Best regards!
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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:460/58 to All on Wed Dec 2 12:05:12 2020
    Hello :)

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  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to All on Thu Dec 31 19:35:10 2020
    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fedfdbc.jpg



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  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to All on Thu Dec 31 19:41:49 2020

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fedff4c.jpg



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  • From John Dovey@2:460/256 to All on Mon May 17 07:51:11 2021
    Glad to see you, All!


    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/2021-05-16%20Future%20Messaging%20Proposal.html


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  • From John Dovey@2:460/256 to All on Mon May 17 07:51:49 2021
    Glad to see you, All!


    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/2021-05-16%20Future%20Messaging%20Proposal.md


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    ... Tag, you are IT!
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  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/256 to All on Tue Aug 24 21:20:35 2021
    Hi, All!

    Forward from: obstenu

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/61253871.jpg


    Have a nice carrot!
    Brother Rabbit.

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  • From John Dovey@2:460/256 to Charles Pierson on Thu Oct 28 14:48:47 2021
    Glad to see you, Charles!

    Hello, Benny Pedersen.
    On 11/16/20 11:22 AM you wrote:
    Linux is welcome to it.
    --
    Best regards!
    Posted using Hotdoged on Android

    What's really interesting is that Windows is becoming the "new linux".. the WSL is getting more and more integrated and a lot of the way they are doing things makes it seem as if just like MacOS windows will eventually be a shell on top of a Linux-like OS... ?

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    ... Tag, you are IT!
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  • From Don Epifanio@2:460/256 to All on Fri Feb 4 07:26:58 2022

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/61fcab10.mp4

    ... "TheVaultBBS.ddns.net:2323"
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  • From Don Epifanio@2:460/256 to All on Fri Feb 4 07:27:00 2022

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/61fcab13.mp4

    ... "TheVaultBBS.ddns.net:2323"
    --- tg BBS v0.7.1
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)
  • From Don Epifanio@2:460/256 to All on Fri Feb 4 07:27:01 2022

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/61fcab14.jpg

    ... "TheVaultBBS.ddns.net:2323"
    --- tg BBS v0.7.1
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)