• 2021 FTSC Standing Member Election

    From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to All on Tue Jan 26 12:46:01 2021
    2021 FTSC election, call for nominations
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    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Sunday, 31st of
    January 2021 at 20:00 UTC.

    As per FTA-1000.002 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
    7 and no more than 30. Presently there are 8 FTSC members; 7 of those
    have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(8-7)=29
    members to be elected.

    From FTA-1001.007

    3.2 FTSC Standing Members
    -------------------------

    FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term. [50 % of
    appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3 year
    renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on expiry of
    the terms.]

    To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
    node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
    having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

    Standing members may be nominated Fidonet-wide by all of the
    following methods:

    1. Any RC.
    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
    officer of the FTSC.

    Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
    who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
    nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
    approval by a majority of votes.
    Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and posting
    of RC votes, shall take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and
    voting shall close three weeks after publication of the vote.

    The status of RC's will be determined by nodelist.029 of this year by
    the list as issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

    All RCs and members of a nominating committee are hereby
    invited to nominate members. Nominations must be posted in the
    FTSC_PUBLIC echo.

    Nominations start at Sunday, 31 January 2021, 20:00 UTC and end at
    Sunday, 21 February 2021, 20:00 UTC.

    Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
    filing a nomination. There is little or no point in nominating
    someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
    accept.

    Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current
    practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when
    it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation.
    Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
    FTSC in order to "engineer Fidonet" may be in for a disappointment.
    Our main job is that of a clerk. We write the technical manual, we do
    not design the machine. To avoid disappointment, sysops interested in
    joining the FTSC are strongly advised to read the following documents:

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1000.002
    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1001.007

    Andrew Leary
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Andrew Leary on Wed Jan 27 19:01:48 2021
    Andrew wrote (2021-01-26):

    Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when
    it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation. Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
    FTSC in order to "engineer Fidonet" may be in for a disappointment.

    Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:

    Publication: FTS-0001
    Revision: 17
    [...]
    2.1. Message bundles
    All nodes must be able to receive and process uncompressed FSC-0048 PKT type 2+ bundles.

    Can we call this insanity?


    Maybe the new members can revive some more useful old ideas:

    Suggested list of Fidonet Technical Standards
    Revision 2, 1997.12.19
    [...]
    FTS-6000 Gateways.
    FTS-6001 FTN netmail - RFC e-mail gateway (both directions)
    FTS-6002 FTN echomail - RFC news gateway (both directions)
    FTS-6003 Gateway addressing (both directions, including kludges in use)
    FTS-6004 Message ID translation (both directions, ref Gatebau)
    FTS-6005 Reply address translation (both directions)
    FTS-6006 Attachment translation (encoding and decoding)
    FTS-6007 MIME support (how to avoid unnecessary garbage)

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  • From Rob Swindell to Oli on Wed Jan 27 16:57:52 2021
    Re: 2021 FTSC Standing Member Election
    By: Oli to Andrew Leary on Wed Jan 27 2021 07:01 pm

    Andrew wrote (2021-01-26):

    Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when
    it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation. Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the FTSC in order to "engineer Fidonet" may be in for a disappointment.

    Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:

    Publication: FTS-0001
    Revision: 17
    [...]
    2.1. Message bundles
    All nodes must be able to receive and process uncompressed FSC-0048 PKT type 2+ bundles.

    Can we call this insanity?

    It's certainly an oxymoron (packets are not bundles). Where is this document exactly (rev 17)? I don't see a wiki at ftsc.org.
  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Oli on Thu Jan 28 10:06:56 2021
    Hello Oli!

    27 Jan 21 19:01, you wrote to me:

    Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:

    Publication: FTS-0001
    Revision: 17
    [...]
    2.1. Message bundles
    All nodes must be able to receive and process uncompressed FSC-0048
    PKT type 2+ bundles.

    Can we call this insanity?

    That document is not an official FTSC document. There is also not a wiki of any kind on the official ftsc.org website. As a matter of fact, Randy Bush's copyright on the current revision of FTS-0001 (Rev. 16) only allows for distribution of unmodified copies at no charge. Any revisions needed to this standard would have to be done by a total rewrite, unless Randy grants permission to use the current version as a base.

    Maybe the new members can revive some more useful old ideas:

    Suggested list of Fidonet Technical Standards
    Revision 2, 1997.12.19
    [...]
    FTS-6000 Gateways.
    FTS-6001 FTN netmail - RFC e-mail gateway (both directions)
    FTS-6002 FTN echomail - RFC news gateway (both directions)
    FTS-6003 Gateway addressing (both directions, including kludges in
    use) FTS-6004 Message ID translation (both directions, ref
    Gatebau) FTS-6005 Reply address translation (both directions) FTS-6006 Attachment translation (encoding and decoding) FTS-6007 MIME support
    (how to avoid unnecessary garbage)

    Anyone is free to submit proposals to the FTSC in this echo, or via NetMail to me.

    Andrew

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Andrew Leary on Thu Jan 28 23:31:12 2021
    As a matter of fact, Randy Bush's
    copyright on the current revision of FTS-0001 (Rev. 16) only allows for distribution of unmodified copies at no charge.

    Just for the record ... Randy Bush is the man who called Fidonet "a cat litterbox reeking like cat urine" prior to slamming the door real hard on his exit from the nodelist some 25+ years ago. From my p,o,v, he thereby forfeited any claim he had to anything in the Fidonet realm.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Andrew Leary on Fri Jan 29 00:44:00 2021
    Good ${greeting_time}, Andrew!

    28 Jan 2021 10:06:56, you wrote to Oli:

    Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:
    Publication: FTS-0001
    Revision: 17
    As a matter of fact, Randy Bush's copyright on the current revision
    of FTS-0001 (Rev. 16) only allows for distribution of unmodified
    copies at no charge. Any revisions needed to this standard would
    have to be done by a total rewrite,

    And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

    unless Randy grants permission to use the current version as a base.

    Fuck the copyright... And fuck copyright holders twice.


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jan 29 06:05:51 2021
    Just for the record ... Randy Bush is the man who called Fidonet "a cat litterbox reeking like cat urine" prior to slamming the door real hard
    on his exit from the nodelist some 25+ years ago. From my p,o,v, he thereby forfeited any claim he had to anything in the Fidonet realm.

    Not to mention that he copied Bob Hartman's ConfMail docs more or less verbatim. I second the notion. You can't claim copyright on another person's work.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alexey Vissarionov on Fri Jan 29 06:15:50 2021
    And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

    I made a serious attempt six years ago:

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/FTSC/FTS-0001.017%20--%20RFC.txt

    I was told to step down and stand by.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alexey Vissarionov on Fri Jan 29 06:26:00 2021
    And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

    I might add that I also made an attempt on FTS-4, in case someone is willing to pick up the baton. This is just an embryo, mind you:

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/FTSC/FTS-0004.002%20--%20RFC.txt





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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Bjrn Felten on Fri Jan 29 09:19:40 2021
    Björn wrote (2021-01-29):

    And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

    I made a serious attempt six years ago:

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/FTSC/FTS-0001.017%20--%20RFC.txt

    Looks readable in contrast to the original one, but it's still discriminating against points.

    I was told to step down and stand by.

    something something dicks

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  • From Martin Foster@2:250/1.333 to Andrew Leary on Fri Jan 29 11:08:00 2021
    Hello Andrew!

    *** Tuesday 26.01.21 at 12:46, Andrew Leary wrote to All:

    [snip]
    From FTA-1001.007

    3.2 FTSC Standing Members
    -------------------------
    [snip]
    To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
    node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
    having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

    Why are Fidonet Points excluded from being selected?

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Martin Foster on Fri Jan 29 13:12:40 2021
    29 Jan 21 11:08, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

    Why are Fidonet Points excluded from being selected?

    this is the way



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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Andrew Leary on Fri Jan 29 14:33:31 2021
    Hello Andrew,

    On Thursday January 28 2021 10:06, you wrote to Oli:

    Any revisions needed to this standard would have to be done by a total rewrite, unless Randy grants permission to use the current version as
    a base.

    Getting Randy's permission is what I tried when I took over from Scott Little. I managed to get into contact with Randy, but failed to get his permission.

    Saying that Randy was uncooperative is an understatement. "Hostile" is what comes to mind. In the end I gave up. :(


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Co-ordinator on Fri Feb 12 07:49:37 2021
    Hi! Andrew,

    I nominate:

    Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    R54C

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Paul Quinn on Thu Feb 11 22:38:32 2021
    -={ 2021-02-11 22:38:32.887227462+00:00 }=-

    Hey Paul!

    I nominate:
    Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

    I accept.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Paul Quinn on Thu Feb 11 22:28:17 2021
    Re: 2021 FTSC Standing Member Election
    By: Paul Quinn to Co-ordinator on Fri Feb 12 2021 07:49 am

    Hi! Andrew,

    I nominate:

    Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    R54C


    Excellent Paul!

    xcarol
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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Paul Quinn on Fri Feb 12 08:45:35 2021
    Hello Paul!

    12 Feb 21 07:49, you wrote to Co-ordinator:

    I nominate:

    Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

    ACK.

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Feb 12 08:46:05 2021
    Hello Maurice!

    11 Feb 21 22:38, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

    I nominate:
    Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

    I accept.

    ACK.

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Andrew Leary on Sat Feb 13 17:18:45 2021
    Re: 2021 FTSC Standing Member Election
    By: Andrew Leary to Paul Quinn on Fri Feb 12 2021 08:45 am

    Hello Paul!

    12 Feb 21 07:49, you wrote to Co-ordinator:

    I nominate:

    Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

    ACK.

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator


    ohh I like!

    Others may not but thats for the vote to determine.

    xxcarol
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Co-ordinator on Mon Feb 15 10:04:36 2021
    Hi! Andrew,

    I nominate:

    Andrew Leary 1:320/219.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    R54C

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Paul Quinn on Sun Feb 14 19:22:24 2021
    Hello Paul!

    15 Feb 21 10:04, you wrote to Co-ordinator:

    I nominate:

    Andrew Leary 1:320/219.

    ACK/Accepted.

    Andrew

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  • From Helmut Renner@2:313/41 to Election Coordinator on Sun Mar 28 12:35:08 2021
    Grias Eich!

    Please find the Austrian votes below

    ----------------------------------------------
    | Name | Node nr | Y | N |
    |----------------------|-------------|---|---|
    | Dale Barnes | 1:106/201 | X | |
    | Maurice Kinal | 1:153/7001 | X | |
    | Nick Andre | 1:229/426 | X | |
    | Carol Shenkenberger | 1:275/100 | X | |
    | Andrew Leary | 1:320/219 | X | |
    | Mark Lewis | 1:3634/12 | X | |
    | Richard Menedetter | 2:310/31 | X | |
    ----------------------------------------------


    Baba
    DonHelmi/2

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Helmut Renner on Sun Mar 28 16:13:17 2021
    Hello Helmut!

    28 Mar 21 12:35, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

    Please find the Austrian votes below

    ----------------------------------------------
    | Name | Node nr | Y | N |
    |----------------------|-------------|---|---|
    | Dale Barnes | 1:106/201 | X | |
    | Maurice Kinal | 1:153/7001 | X | |
    | Nick Andre | 1:229/426 | X | |
    | Carol Shenkenberger | 1:275/100 | X | |
    | Andrew Leary | 1:320/219 | X | |
    | Mark Lewis | 1:3634/12 | X | |
    | Richard Menedetter | 2:310/31 | X | |
    ----------------------------------------------

    NAK.

    This ballot was received a week after the polls closed.

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to Andrew Leary on Sun Jan 23 07:17:00 2022
    Hello Andrew!

    *** Friday 29.01.21 at 11:08, Martin Foster wrote to Andrew Leary:

    [snip]
    From FTA-1001.007

    3.2 FTSC Standing Members
    -------------------------
    [snip]
    To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
    node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
    having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

    Why are Fidonet Points excluded from being selected?

    I don't recall ever seeing your reply to my question ??

    Regards,
    Martin

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