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  • FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag

    From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to All on Sun Apr 1 10:00:00 2018
    Good ${greeting_time}, All!

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    FTSC FIDONET TECHNICAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE *********************************************************************

    Publication: FSP-1041.001
    Revision: 1
    Title: The BEER nodelist flag
    Author(s): FTSC Members, Administrator and Honoured Guests
    Issue Date: 01 April 2018 =====================================================================


    Status:

    This document is a Fidonet Standards Proposal (FSP) - it specifies
    the best current practices for the Fidonet community, and requests
    discussion and suggestions for improvements. It is released to the
    public domain, and may be used, copied or modified for any purpose
    whatever.


    Contents:
    0. Introduction.
    1. The problem.
    2. The solution.


    0. Introduction.

    The Fidonet consists of individual systems operated by different
    people. To maintain proper connectivity, these systems should set
    stationary trusted links between them to ensure smooth echomail
    distribution.


    1. The Problem

    The problem is that sysops have to agree to set these stationary
    links first, and this may require time-stretched discussion.


    2. The solution.

    The solution is the joint drinking beer during these discussions.
    Many years of experience show us how greatly joint drinking beer
    increases the mutual understanding, so this method definitely is
    the common practice.

    This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
    syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
    tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".


    References.

    FTS-5000, "The distribution nodelist".
    FTS-5001, "Nodelist flags and userflags".


    *********************************************************************


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Apr 1 09:58:22 2018
    Title: The BEER nodelist flag

    Finally.

    This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
    syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
    tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

    I would like to see this extenced with:

    BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"
    BEER:LEFFE_D " "drinks Leffe Dark"
    BEER:LEFFE " "any other variety of Leffe"
    BEER:GRIM_VV " "drinks Grimbergen 'van het vat' (draft), not from
    a bottle"

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR22
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ward Dossche on Sun Apr 1 11:02:22 2018
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

    01 Apr 2018 09:58:22, you wrote to me:

    This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
    syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
    tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".
    I would like to see this extenced with:
    BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12
    degrees"
    BEER:LEFFE_D " "drinks Leffe Dark"
    BEER:LEFFE " "any other variety of Leffe"
    BEER:GRIM_VV " "drinks Grimbergen 'van het vat' (draft), not
    from a bottle"

    You may put all four flags in your nodelist line, as they conform to ${subj}.


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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Apr 1 18:51:28 2018
    Hi Alexey!

    Apr 01 10:00 2018, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to All:

    This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
    syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
    tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

    I'd prefer "TEA:green".

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Markus Reschke on Sun Apr 1 20:32:34 2018
    Hello Markus!

    01 Apr 18 18:51, Markus Reschke wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

    I'd prefer "TEA:green".

    I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Markus Reschke on Sun Apr 1 21:50:00 2018
    Good ${greeting_time}, Markus!

    01 Apr 2018 18:51:28, you wrote to me:

    This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
    syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
    tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".
    I'd prefer "TEA:green".

    That's for work. And ${subj} is for a hobby.


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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Apr 1 21:08:48 2018
    Hi Alexey!

    01 Apr 2018 10:00, from Alexey Vissarionov -> All:

    Publication: FSP-1041.001
    Title: The BEER nodelist flag
    Issue Date: 01 April 2018

    Alexey ... very bad timing releasing this on April 1st.
    This useful flag may be mistaken as a April fools joke!

    BEER:IPA

    Or when I am in Belgium BEER:LEFFE_DARK

    Sadly the times of frequent Antwerp visits are gone with my last job change.

    Cheers!

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Markus Reschke on Sun Apr 1 16:57:34 2018
    Hello Markus!

    01 Apr 18 18:51, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    I'd prefer "TEA:green".

    TEA:earl gray, hot.

    ;-)

    Andrew


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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Apr 2 09:28:28 2018
    On 04/01/18, Alexey Vissarionov pondered and said...

    This document is a Fidonet Standards Proposal (FSP) - it specifies
    the best current practices for the Fidonet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. It is released to the
    public domain, and may be used, copied or modified for any purpose whatever.

    Love it :)

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Andrew Leary on Sun Apr 1 19:02:29 2018
    Hello Andrew.

    01 Apr 18 16:57, you wrote to Markus Reschke:

    TEA:earl gray, hot.

    TEA:EARL_GRAY_HOT

    FIFY. :D

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Apr 2 01:52:27 2018
    Hello Alexey!

    Title: The BEER nodelist flag
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".
    Lovely idear. This flag will give the technical nodelist a personal note. ;)

    [BEER:KELLER_BEER_1402]

    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    Bye/2 Torsten

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Apr 2 06:10:16 2018
    Title: The BEER nodelist flag

    My NC rejects it ... what now ?

    Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
    ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR22
    * Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)
  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 2 12:02:22 2018
    Hello Sean!

    01 Apr 18 19:02, Sean Dennis wrote to Andrew Leary:


    TEA:earl gray, hot.
    TEA:EARL_GRAY_HOT
    ^E

    Please fix spelling typo. ;-)


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Ward Dossche on Mon Apr 2 02:41:17 2018
    Hello Ward!

    02 Apr 18 06:10, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    Title: The BEER nodelist flag

    My NC rejects it ... what now ?

    Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
    ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

    Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)

    Andrew

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Andrew Leary on Mon Apr 2 16:12:48 2018
    Andrew,

    My NC rejects it ... what now ?

    Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
    ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

    Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)

    Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC too ...

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR22
    * Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ward Dossche on Mon Apr 2 18:04:04 2018
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

    02 Apr 2018 16:12:48, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

    Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
    ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854
    Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)
    Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC too

    Are they all the slowpokes?


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Apr 2 17:25:13 2018
    Alexey,

    Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC
    too

    Are they all the slowpokes?

    You have no idea ...

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR22
    * Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Sat May 5 15:16:08 2018
    Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Ward Dossche to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Apr 01 2018 09:58 am

    Title: The BEER nodelist flag

    Finally.

    This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
    syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
    tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

    I would like to see this extenced with:

    BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"

    Hey! You forgot ME!

    Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Gerrit Kuehn on Sat May 5 15:17:40 2018
    Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Gerrit Kuehn to Markus Reschke on Sun Apr 01 2018 08:32 pm

    I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".

    Ohh! How about TEA:HOT Lipton or Earl Grey

    Trying to trim the nodelist (grin).

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Sat May 5 15:21:33 2018
    Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Ward Dossche to Andrew Leary on Mon Apr 02 2018 04:12 pm

    My NC rejects it ... what now ?

    Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
    ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

    Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)

    Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC too ...

    Umm, tell your NC to thwap your ZC on the head? Maybe with a BEER?

    (smuffled giggles).
    xxcarol
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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 5 22:01:42 2018
    Hello Carol!

    05 May 18 15:17, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:


    I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".

    Ohh! How about TEA:HOT Lipton or Earl Grey
    Trying to trim the nodelist (grin).

    Fine by me (although I'm less a fan of Lipton ;-).


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 6 09:12:01 2018

    Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC
    too ...

    Umm, tell your NC to thwap your ZC on the head? Maybe with a BEER?

    (smuffled giggles).

    Talk about a dog chasing its own tail ... 8-)

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR24
    * Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 6 09:12:44 2018

    BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"

    Hey! You forgot ME!

    Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

    You forgot the underscores.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR24
    * Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)
  • From Phil Kimble@1:128/2 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 6 00:20:28 2018
    Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Ward Dossche to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Apr 01 2018 09:58 am

    Title: The BEER nodelist flag

    This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
    syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
    tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
    may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
    like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
    snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

    BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"

    Hey! You forgot ME!
    Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

    Would this be shortened to BERR:Cheap American to include Miller, Lone Star, Brown Derby, PBR???

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Gerrit Kuehn on Sun May 6 10:46:47 2018
    Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Gerrit Kuehn to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 05 2018 10:01 pm

    I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".

    Ohh! How about TEA:HOT Lipton or Earl Grey
    Trying to trim the nodelist (grin).

    Fine by me (although I'm less a fan of Lipton ;-).

    At home, I drink tea and at work it's 'whatever cheap coffee plonk they got'.

    Now after hours? I'm pretty sedate with my Miller Lite or the occassional bottle of wine. I know, not very exciting but you might find our local scuppernong wine of interest? It's a table wine. It's a somewhat sweet and fruity wine that probably classes close to the rose set.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Sun May 6 10:48:30 2018
    Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 06 2018 09:12 am

    Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC
    too ...

    Umm, tell your NC to thwap your ZC on the head? Maybe with a BEER?

    (smuffled giggles).

    Talk about a dog chasing its own tail ... 8-)

    LOL! But we best behave or that evil FTSC person will get after us for having fun in his echo!

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Sun May 6 10:49:48 2018
    Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 06 2018 09:12 am

    Hey! You forgot ME!

    Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

    You forgot the underscores.

    Dang! Must have been all the Miller_Lite

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Phil Kimble on Sun May 6 10:52:14 2018
    Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
    By: Phil Kimble to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 06 2018 12:20 am

    Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

    Would this be shortened to BERR:Cheap American to include Miller, Lone Star, Brown Derby, PBR???

    How about BEER:CHEAP_PLONK

    That work?

    xxcarol
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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 6 18:30:18 2018
    Hello Carol!

    06 May 18 10:46, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:


    Fine by me (although I'm less a fan of Lipton ;-).

    At home, I drink tea and at work it's 'whatever cheap coffee plonk
    they got'.

    I used to be pretty much tea-only, but this has been muddled for some years now
    since decent bean-to-cup coffee machines became affordable.

    Now after hours? I'm pretty sedate with my Miller Lite or the occassional bottle of wine. I know, not very exciting but you might find our local scuppernong wine of interest? It's a table wine. It's a somewhat sweet and fruity wine that probably classes close to the rose set.

    I have to admit that I'm not a fan of most alcoholic beverage (esp. neither beer nor wine - yeah, I know, I'm certainly not a proper German... ;-), so that
    one would definitely be wasted on me. I like to have a glass of cider sometimes, though.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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