On 12/7/22 11:48, Hawk wrote:

I will be moving Black Flag and all my BBS's
to the cloud in the next few days. Will be better this way
I'll keep you posted mates.

Just curious, where are you running the BBS? I've been on DigitalOcean
for a few years at this point.

Aside: Thinking about getting a dedicated box somewhere (Phoenix NAP),
to run a dedicated mail server somewhere... the software I want to run (wildduck) uses a few databases (redis/mongo) and wanting a bit more
oomph so that it runs well as a starting point. Basically wanting 6-8
cores and 32gb ram, but not costing an arm and a leg (~$80-100/mo).

Also been playing with Cloudflare, to setup a custom web based bbs...
Workers + DurableObjects + D1 (SQlite) + R2 (file and message data
storage). I've also spent a little time on getting an API running
against SynchroNet, but the more I do, the more I'm wanting to just
write my own.
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Just curious, where are you running the BBS? I've been on DigitalOcean for a few years at this point.

I have my stuff, not the bbs though, running offshore in the netherlands. AbeloHost is the site. they are affordable. Plus you dont have the censorship of big tech breathing down your neck.

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On 12/7/22 19:19, niter3 wrote:

On 08 Dec 2022, apam said the following...

Who are you guys hosting your bbs with?

I used to use vultr for my BBS, but have since moved it to a PC at home.
I still use vultr for talismanbbs.com.

In the past I've used digital ocean, and even longer ago linode. I prefer
vultr ...

Have you seen prices less then $5 a month? and more ?

I haven't seen pricing under $5/mo that I'd trust myself. I'm using DigitalOcean on Intel 4GB ram droplet with backup service... I also have
a $5 droplet running Caddy as a reverse proxy for my BBS and a few other things... a bit of an odd config, but didn't feel like messing with Synchronet's let's encrypt integration.

On the VPS, I'm running the BBS containerized (docker) ... and can rsync
the bbs data files down for backup. Not including DNS changes, I can
have the BBS completely moved in about 15m from creation of the VPS this
way.

I'm also using SendGrid for email delivery... I had trouble getting off
of a couple of block lists (one of MS's 3 services had issue) since it's
a "cloud" host. Have been thinking about setting up a mail server on
Hetzner or PhoenixNAP and dropping sendgrid.
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On 12/8/22 02:54, esc wrote:

ni> Who are you guys hosting your bbs with?

I've used DigitalOcean for all manner of things and that's where my
BBS stuff lives as well. They aren't the cheapest but they're
excellent.

Agreed, been using them for years myself, have also used Linode and a
few others... but DO pricing has been decent (despite the increases a
few months ago) and better than the bigger cloud options. With enough features to automate and make it all useful without being so big it gets
in your way.
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On 12/31/22 07:01, Kidd Wicked wrote:

Tr> Just curious, where are you running the BBS? I've been on DigitalOcean
Tr> for a few years at this point.

I have my stuff, not the bbs though, running offshore in the netherlands. AbeloHost is the site. they are affordable. Plus you dont have the censorship of big tech breathing down your neck.

That's cool, have thought about similarly, but not sure about the
latency to western us.
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On 03 Jan 2023, Tracker1 said the following...

That's cool, have thought about similarly, but not sure about the
latency to western us.

I am pinging the servers from florida at 150ms. I have 13k users from the usa on the site and haven't had any lagging complaints. But it is not a BBS and is a social media platform.

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Tracker1 wrote to Hawk <=-

Aside: Thinking about getting a dedicated box somewhere (Phoenix NAP),
to run a dedicated mail server somewhere...

I spent my day off yesterday tinkering with spf and dmarc for my
domain; it appears that Google is marking BBS mails as spam. I relay
outbound email through dreamhost, I may need to figure out a way to
relay through Google instead.




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I will be moving Black Flag and all my BBS's
to the cloud in the next few days. Will be better this way

I'm curious what made you decide to do that? I do think there are some

Resurrecting this discussion because I wanted to talk about my own BBS.

I was living at places where I controlled the router, and was running my BBS from an old computer.

Then I moved to Germany, and tried to get my brother to keep my computer on and poke a hole in the network to allow telnet access to that one computer.

He had no interest in that. So I no longer had a BBS that was accessible, and didn't have reasonable hardware (or interest in doing the work of negotiating with others to get a router setup so I could run the BBS) with me in Germany, as I moved with what I could bring in a few bags.

So, cloud it was, and a move to Linux. Took me a couple months to accept that I couldn't use the old computer any more, and to get everything set up again.

But at this point, I prefer it. It's a virtual machine, and the hardware and setup is more controllable than it would be if I just had the machine running at my brother's place.

And, now, I _could_ set up a dedicated computer here, but aside from some sysop functions/ability to see some things in action locally, the benefits are greater having it located in a server environment rather than trying to make a server environment at home.

But another place, another time, if I owned my own home and expected to stay there for 20+ years, etc.? Yeah, probably different decisions.

And I use Vultr. It's not too expensive. Though I might go more expensive on things if/when I move more internet stuff to their servers from other places / in my head.

Anyway, I like some of the nostalgia aspect of things, so I'm all for people running BBSs at home on their own hardware. I'm still kinda tempted to try and get old BBS software running, but the amount of things that new BBS packages make easier means that I'm probably more likely to explore Synchronet, Enigma 1/2, or apam's projects than I am to try and make something old work.

But still nifty when other people head down that path. Kinda like making a Model T run. People don't do it because they want a car.

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matches my domain name settings for sending email out. If you want to be able to send emails out from a self hosted email server, you need to
make sure not to get a VPS provider that has IP's blocked by gmail, hotmail, etc. This can happen often to some of the big guys because of

I wound up going with mxroute.com for e-mail. They currently have a $200 lifetime deal, though I subscribed with a $60/2 years plan.

I figure having a provider that just provides e-mail should make them well-focused on providing e-mail. They have limits of no more than 300 e-mails per hour, so hopefully that means that the spammers stay away, and they can avoid being blacklisted.

I do occasionally have issues with my e-mails winding up in spam boxes, but that's because of a) sometimes using odd domain names, like .rocks, and b) using Eudora. Evidently something about using antique software makes providers trust it less.

But neither of those are provider issues.

On the other hand, I haven't even tried to set up e-mail from my BBS or other things that are hosted on other servers. Just personal e-mail, or e-mail for people I do the hosting for.

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Tracker1 wrote to Hawk <=-

Aside: Thinking about getting a dedicated box somewhere (Phoenix
NAP), to run a dedicated mail server somewhere...

I spent my day off yesterday tinkering with spf and dmarc for my
domain; it appears that Google is marking BBS mails as spam. I relay outbound email through dreamhost, I may need to figure out a way to
relay through Google instead.

Not sure if I already replied to this... Been using SendGrid to relay the BBS through, which I haven't had any delivery issues with.

For my current mail server, other than the bbs, also relaying.. about the only service I had issue with is the outlook.com service (which is separate from o365 and hotmail) and been impossible to clear. Part of why I've been thinking of going to something other than the cloud providers.


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