• Re: LA Fires

    From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Al on Tue Jan 14 20:29:10 2025
    Al wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You started out with "illegal immigrants" and "LGBTQ people" and then
    went on to "the underbrush".

    Those are just right wing political narratives.

    Not sure where you're coming up with this stuff.

    You posted it.

    Why'd you snip out the remainder of my previous reply?

    Rhetorical question - I know the answer.

    If you want to continue we can do it in one the areas I listed earlier
    or you can suggest an area we can move to.

    I won't reply further in this net for the reasons I mentioned before.

    Yeah, I'm done with you too. You've got your mind made up, and don't
    want to hear the actual facts. <SHRUG>



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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Gamgee on Tue Jan 14 19:57:44 2025
    Why'd you snip out the remainder of my previous reply?

    Have you forgotten what you said? I read it and so did everyone else.

    Rhetorical question - I know the answer.

    So much rhetoric.

    If you want to continue we can do it in one the areas I listed earlier
    or you can suggest an area we can move to.

    I won't reply further in this net for the reasons I mentioned before.

    Yeah, I'm done with you too. You've got your mind made up, and don't
    want to hear the actual facts. <SHRUG>

    Suit yourself. Bye now.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Al on Wed Jan 15 05:12:28 2025
    Re: Re: LA Fires
    By: Al to Gamgee on Mon Jan 13 2025 07:13 am

    That underbrush is always going to be there. When you clear it it grows back.

    Well, I will stop trimming my nails, since they are going to grow back anyway.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Arelor on Wed Jan 15 03:43:44 2025
    That underbrush is always going to be there. When you clear it it grows
    back.

    Well, I will stop trimming my nails, since they are going to grow back anyway.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't trim your nails just because they will grow back anyway. Trim your nails if you want/need to.

    I reject the idea that underbrush was the cause of these fires.

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to GAMGEE on Wed Jan 15 09:23:00 2025
    âÇ£Let me be clear. The $17 million budget cut and elimination of our civilian
    positions like our mechanics did and has and will continue to severely impact our ability to repair our apparatus,âÇ¥ Crowley said on CNN, adding that more than 100 fire apparatuses are out of service.

    âÇ£Having these apparatus and the proper amount of mechanics would have helped,âÇ¥ she said on CNN.

    Interesting indeed.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Jan 15 09:27:00 2025
    Yeah..... Interesting article. However.... (as is your tendency) -
    you left out some important parts.

    I included the URL for people to investigate.

    We've gone down the political rabbit hole here, which we all know to be
    against Avon's wishes. If you want to continue this discussion, please
    find me online elsewhere.


    You are both free to discuss this in FIDO POLITICS if you so desire.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to GAMGEE on Wed Jan 15 09:28:00 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I included the URL for people to investigate.

    We've gone down the political rabbit hole here, which we all know to be
    against Avon's wishes. If you want to continue this discussion, please
    find me online elsewhere.

    You are both free to discuss this in FIDO POLITICS if you so desire.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to GAMGEE on Wed Jan 15 09:30:00 2025
    Once the winds had died down, you got an idiot out there flying his drone and it hits one of the planes, which resulted in them grounding all air operations for a time. I hope his Youtube channel gets lots of views.

    Grounding all flights seems like an over-reaction to one incident.

    Probably, unless they thought it was done on purpose.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to ARELOR on Wed Jan 15 09:41:00 2025
    That underbrush is always going to be there. When you clear it it grows back.

    Well, I will stop trimming my nails, since they are going to grow back anyway.

    <BIG GRIN> Thanks for the laugh.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 16 13:26:01 2025
    On 14 Jan 2025 at 11:17a, Digital Man pondered and said...

    Thank you. All safe here for now, but still windy as hell.

    I'm pleased to hear it... it's just terrible the folks who have lost so much so quickly :(

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Gamgee on Thu Jan 16 13:28:09 2025
    On 14 Jan 2025 at 08:29p, Gamgee pondered and said...

    Al wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You started out with "illegal immigrants" and "LGBTQ people" and then
    went on to "the underbrush".

    Those are just right wing political narratives.

    Not sure where you're coming up with this stuff.

    You posted it.

    Why'd you snip out the remainder of my previous reply?

    Rhetorical question - I know the answer.

    If you want to continue we can do it in one the areas I listed earlie or you can suggest an area we can move to.

    I won't reply further in this net for the reasons I mentioned before.

    Yeah, I'm done with you too. You've got your mind made up, and don't want to hear the actual facts. <SHRUG>

    Dude, take the 'debate' and 'politics' to an othernet thanks.

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Avon on Thu Jan 16 09:22:27 2025
    Re: Re: LA Fires
    By: Avon to Gamgee on Thu Jan 16 2025 13:28:09

    Dude, take the 'debate' and 'politics' to an othernet thanks.

    Hallelujah!

    Thanks, Avon.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 16 07:55:39 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    You are both free to discuss this in FIDO POLITICS if you so desire.

    I'm done - can't believe I got caught up in the rhetoric here. It hits
    close to home, literally.



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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 16 18:05:19 2025
    Thank you. All safe here for now, but still windy as hell.

    Where abouts are you Digital Man? My niece(12 years old) and brother in law are in Monrovia, we haven't heard from them in some time. They had to evacuate but I'm not on facebook so not privy to the status updates as to whether they have a home left or not or have been allowed to return. So apocolyptic, I pray all within our retro community are safe and with homes intact. This has been so hard to watch. I hope everyone is able to reserve finger pointing and political conversations until all are known healthy and safe again. I can't imagine the trauma my family would be going through if that happened in our backyard.

    Hows the air? If it's that windy thats gotta be tough. I was raised in Colorado (born in Alameda CA,) and remember how bad Denver would get when the foothills would catch fire. Bad stuff.

    Glad you're alright!

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  • From Digital Man to The Godfather on Thu Jan 16 16:44:11 2025
    Re: Re: LA Fires
    By: The Godfather to Digital Man on Thu Jan 16 2025 06:05 pm

    Thank you. All safe here for now, but still windy as hell.

    Where abouts are you Digital Man?

    My home is in Riverside Count, about 50mi to where the Palasades fire was, about 40mi to Altadena.

    My niece(12 years old) and brother in law
    are in Monrovia, we haven't heard from them in some time. They had to evacuate but I'm not on facebook so not privy to the status updates as to whether they have a home left or not or have been allowed to return. So apocolyptic, I pray all within our retro community are safe and with homes intact.

    Indeed, I hope your family and their property all made it out unscathed!

    Hows the air? If it's that windy thats gotta be tough. I was raised in Colorado (born in Alameda CA,) and remember how bad Denver would get when the foothills would catch fire. Bad stuff.

    The smoke and ash having been blowing west, so we're most just impacted by the allergens and dust that comes with these winds. In the words of Han Solo, we're all fine here now, thank you, how are you? :-)
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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to The Godfather on Thu Jan 16 21:08:53 2025
    BY: The Godfather (21:3/165)

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    |11TG|09> |10would be going through if that happened in our backyard.|07
    I live in the state and I live 30-40 miles from what happened, the problem is without reforms no one is going to get insurance for their homes. Even people in Rancho Cucamonga who live near the mountains face the spectre of getting their policies canceled.

    When the next fire happens, we will end up having to pay for that too. The goal is to reduce the risk, prevent future damages and save some lives with better policies.


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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Digital Man on Sun Jan 19 13:45:19 2025
    Indeed, I hope your family and their property all made it out unscathed!

    We haven't heard from them as of late. Have the winds died down and fires out? I feel like it just dropped off the news, not to mention the frozen Arctic Canada is handing to us Today through most of the week. We should be at -20 windchill here in a few hours. Things in Indiana are otherwise typical -- a bit on the boring side with a pinch of mundane.

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Utopian Galt on Sun Jan 19 13:51:31 2025

    I live in the state and I live 30-40 miles from what happened, the
    problem is without reforms no one is going to get insurance for their homes. Even people in Rancho Cucamonga who live near the mountains face the spectre of getting their policies canceled.

    I heard insurance was an issue. It's devastating that many lost their coverage through, I believe State Farm(?), prior to the fires. These are those moments I'd consider myself lucky to be alive, and then likely be putting pressure on people to make needed reforms. Glad you're ok.

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  • From Digital Man to The Godfather on Sun Jan 19 23:08:25 2025
    Re: Re: LA Fires
    By: The Godfather to Digital Man on Sun Jan 19 2025 01:45 pm

    Indeed, I hope your family and their property all made it out unscathed!

    We haven't heard from them as of late. Have the winds died down and fires out? I feel like it just dropped off the news

    Yeah, they tend to burn themselves out too (e.g. reaching the ocean, desert or a concrete jungle). Winds died down last week and all's good though the air quality is crap right now.
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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to THE GODFATHER on Mon Jan 20 09:36:00 2025
    It's devastating that many lost their coverage
    through, I believe State Farm(?), prior to the fires.

    I have heard that but have also read they might have had reason to make coverage prohibitive or unavailable.

    Here in Kentucky, we have a lot of rivers. Here in town, there are folks
    -- "river rats" -- that want to live right on the river. They build their houses -- sometimes nice ones -- right in the flood plain. When their
    place gets damaged or worse, they often rebuild in the same spot.

    The threat of a flood every X number of years doesn't stop them from (re)building on the flood plain. What eventually stops them is when their
    home insurance rates become unaffordable or they can no longer get insurance
    at all (or, in a few cases, when the government does something to prevent it).

    My understanding is that at least some areas out in California saw
    insurance become unavailable for similar reasons... the homes were in areas where the fire danger is similarly too high to ignore.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 20 09:34:31 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to THE GODFATHER <=-

    My understanding is that at least some areas out in California saw insurance become unavailable for similar reasons... the homes were in areas where the fire danger is similarly too high to ignore.

    I know people in California who've never experienced a fire in their
    lifetime get their coverage declined after many years for "fire danger".

    The stories of State Farm using drones to find technicalities to get out
    of policy renewal has made the news, too.



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  • From Accession@21:1/700 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 20 17:53:00 2025
    Hey poindexter!

    On Mon, Jan 20 2025 11:34:31 -0600, you wrote ..

    I know people in California who've never experienced a fire in their
    lifetime get their coverage declined after many years for "fire danger".

    The stories of State Farm using drones to find technicalities to get out
    of policy renewal has made the news, too.

    Just so happens I have State Farm here in Wisconsin. No fire danger here, but we've been comfortable with them for quite some time now. I think I'm going to search around to see if I can find something better/cheaper, and when asked why I want to leave, I'll give them this reason, right here.

    I know insurance companies are crooked as all get out, but this seems to be a bit over-the-top blatantly obvious. :(

    Regards,
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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Jan 21 08:56:00 2025
    My understanding is that at least some areas out in California saw insurance become unavailable for similar reasons... the homes were in areas where the fire danger is similarly too high to ignore.

    I know people in California who've never experienced a fire in their
    lifetime get their coverage declined after many years for "fire danger".

    You don't have to have a fire to live in an area that has become a fire
    danger area, whether it be due to climate change, poor land management,
    poor utility management that goes unchecked, over building beyond what can
    be covered by fire protection, etc.

    The stories of State Farm using drones to find technicalities to get out
    of policy renewal has made the news, too.

    If the "technicalities" cause increased fire danger, I cannot really blame them.


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