• Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious

    From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to All on Fri Jul 19 02:38:34 2024
    Condolences to any of you who have been affected by this. It looks
    pretty bad - this appears to be a first class IT cock-up of the highest order:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2024/07/19/ crowdstrike-windows-outage-what-happened-and-what-to-do-next/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/crowdstrike/comments/1e6vmkf/ bsod_error_in_latest_crowdstrike_update/

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/microsoft-it-outage

    How did we get to the point where so much of our infrastructure could be broken by like this by what appears to be one vendor's mistake.... This is the kind of outage that the likes of cloudstrike are supposed to protect us from!

    Hope you all have not been badly affected by this, and that those of you in IT haven't had your weekends ruined by this.

    Its evening here, I guess we'll see what is and is not working over here in NZ in about 8 hours when I get up tomorrow morning.

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  • From halian@21:2/132 to kirkspragg on Fri Jul 19 07:08:36 2024
    How did we get to the point where so much of our infrastructure could be b by like this by what appears to be one vendor's mistake.... This is the ki outage that the likes of cloudstrike are supposed to protect us from!

    The people at the levers have forgotten (or been forced by mid manglement to forget) that the butt is just someone else's computer.

    -╟╢âlian

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to kirkspragg on Fri Jul 19 07:10:00 2024
    kirkspragg wrote to All <=-

    How did we get to the point where so much of our infrastructure could
    be broken by like this by what appears to be one vendor's mistake....
    This is the kind of outage that the likes of cloudstrike are supposed
    to protect us from!

    IT tends to a herd mentality - infosec even more. Monocultures are bad.

    Hope you all have not been badly affected by this, and that those of
    you in IT haven't had your weekends ruined by this.

    I've had a couple of people ask why they can't use Macs at work. :)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to halian on Fri Jul 19 07:12:00 2024
    halian wrote to kirkspragg <=-

    The people at the levers have forgotten (or been forced by mid
    manglement to forget) that the butt is just someone else's computer.

    The podcast Re:Work has the two co-founders from 37Signals, a
    productivity app maker. They have some very interesting episodes where
    they discuss moving everything from the cloud back to on-prem to manage
    runaway costs and to own their infrastructure again.

    I'm sure the pendulum will swing back elsewhere, too.

    Moving from on-prem to the cloud, then back to on-prem again is like an employment protection act - always project work to be had, moving back
    and forth!



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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 19 11:28:21 2024
    Moving from on-prem to the cloud, then back to on-prem again is like an employment protection act - always project work to be had, moving back
    and forth!

    I assumed this years ago, and love to see it to be honest. :)

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to kirkspragg on Fri Jul 19 09:16:13 2024
    Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: kirkspragg to All on Fri Jul 19 2024 02:38 am

    Condolences to any of you who have been affected by this. It looks pretty bad - this appears to be a first class IT cock-up of the highest order:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2024/07/19/ crowdstrike-windows-outage-what-happened-and-what-to-do-next/

    How did we get to the point where so much of our infrastructure could be broken by like this by what appears to be one vendor's mistake.... This is the kind of outage that the likes of cloudstrike are supposed to protect us from!

    So many businesses and organizations have defaulted to using certain standard software.. I actually hadn't heard of Crowdstrike and had to look it up, and apparently it's cybersecurity software.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 19 09:21:31 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to kirkspragg on Fri Jul 19 2024 07:10 am

    I've had a couple of people ask why they can't use Macs at work. :)

    I've seen some developers say they think Macs are the best computers for software development, as they have a lot of *nix-like stuff pre-installed that are useful for software development. I have noticed that a lot of web developers seem to like Macs, though I don't really get the correlation there. In my 21 years of experience as a software developer though, most of the places I've worked at have tended to use Windows computers, with a few exceptions - The first developer job I had was at a small startup using Linux, and a couple places where most of the developers preferred Mac (and again, I'm not entirely sure what made so many people at one place prefer Mac).

    I'm working at a place now that issues Windows laptops to its workers, and one person I work with (who started just before me) is a Mac guy and often complains about Windows being hard to work with, generally a bad OS, etc.. Interestingly, I haven't really had any big issues with Windows for a long time.

    Nightfox
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  • From Spaceboy@21:4/125 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 19 21:56:26 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 19 2024 09:21:31

    You know, I have been using Win10 against my will for a while, and even though I prefer linux, I have to say I have not had many problems like there used to be ten or fifteen years ago.
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  • From J0hnny A1pha@21:4/158 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 19 21:15:35 2024
    BY: Nightfox (21:1/137)
    On Friday,July 19, 2024 at 08:21 AM, Nightfox (21:1/137) wrote:

    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to kirkspragg on Fri Jul 19 2024 07:10 am

    I've had a couple of people ask why they can't use Macs at work.
    :)

    I've seen some developers say they think Macs are the best computers for software development, as they have a lot of *nix-like stuff
    pre-installed that are useful for software development. I have noticed
    that a lot of web developers seem to like Macs, though I don't really
    get the correlation there. In my 21 years of experience as a software developer though, most of the places I've worked at have tended to use Windows computers, with a few exceptions - The first developer job I had
    was at a small startup using Linux, and a couple places where most of
    the developers preferred Mac (and again, I'm not entirely sure what made
    so many people at one place prefer Mac).

    I work at a startup in the US (so not big company) and almost all the 'full stack' developers are on Macs, I think because it's linux-like, they work alot with javascript frameworks, easy to hombrew manage. But more of the enterprise/platform engineers are on Windows. And of course all the designers and product managers are Mac.

    aLPHA


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to J0hnny A1pha on Fri Jul 19 15:29:45 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: J0hnny A1pha to Nightfox on Fri Jul 19 2024 09:15 pm

    I work at a startup in the US (so not big company) and almost all the 'full stack' developers are on Macs, I think because it's linux-like, they work alot with javascript frameworks, easy to hombrew manage. But more of the enterprise/platform engineers are on Windows. And of course all the designers and product managers are Mac.

    In my case, several of the developer jobs I've had have involved making software for Windows (often in C#, especially more recently), so for that I think it probably makes more sense to have a Windows developer machine, using Visual Studio. I've tended to mainly be in Windows environments, and I can work on a lot of the same projects; the only thing it's really hard to develop for on a Windows system is Mac & iOS software.

    Nightfox
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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 19 21:40:33 2024
    IT tends to a herd mentality - infosec even more. Monocultures are bad.

    Agree. There can be significant barriers RE trying a new vendor in large corporates especially when something security related has become embedded in your operations to the extend that cloudstrike did. Deals have been struck, long term purchasing agreements made, discounts have been obtained and moving to someone new would mean redoing all of that! Oh the horror!

    Saw this in action where I work with the Lastpass debacle a wee while ago. Despite the fact that lastpass had been quite thoroughly pwned, and that peoples secrets (ok not everyone's secretes as far as we know but....) had been exposed as a result it took over 6 months for our corporate overlords to figure out what to do. Meanwhile sensible employees like myself moved to keepass2 & rotated their passwords.

    I've had a couple of people ask why they can't use Macs at work. :)

    We have some team members using macs. When my windows laptop gives up the ghost, I may become one of them.

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 19 21:46:37 2024
    I'm working at a place now that issues Windows laptops to its workers,
    and one person I work with (who started just before me) is a Mac guy and often complains about Windows being hard to work with, generally a bad
    OS, etc.. Interestingly, I haven't really had any big issues with
    Windows for a long time.

    Windows, especially on laptops can be quite fine or utterly terrible depending on you hardware. Where I work we have a mix of older HP elitebooks & newer equivalent (mem, cpu, storage ect) Lenovo laptops.

    I have one of the older elitebooks, it works just fine in Win 11. Several colleagues of mine have Lenovos, at times they blue screen daily & sometime crash or lockup multiple times a day.

    ... Oxymoron: exact estimate

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 08:03:00 2024
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'm working at a place now that issues Windows laptops to its workers,
    and one person I work with (who started just before me) is a Mac guy
    and often complains about Windows being hard to work with, generally a
    bad OS, etc.. Interestingly, I haven't really had any big issues with Windows for a long time.

    Windows 10/11 plus WSL2 is a pretty good developer package. My company
    uses NGINX and Python for most of our web app. We used to use cygwin,
    Linux virtual machines and linux dev environments on locally-hosted VMs
    for local development.

    WSL quickly became the standard.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to kirkspragg on Sat Jul 20 08:04:00 2024
    kirkspragg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    IT tends to a herd mentality - infosec even more. Monocultures are bad.

    Agree. There can be significant barriers RE trying a new vendor in
    large corporates especially when something security related has become embedded in your operations to the extend that cloudstrike did.


    Interesting to note that Crowdstrike's CTO was Mcafee's CTO when the
    same thing happened with Mcafee AV in the 2010s.




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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to kirkspragg on Sat Jul 20 14:14:28 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: kirkspragg to Nightfox on Fri Jul 19 2024 09:46 pm

    Windows, especially on laptops can be quite fine or utterly terrible depending on you hardware. Where I work we have a mix of older HP elitebooks & newer equivalent (mem, cpu, storage ect) Lenovo laptops.

    I have one of the older elitebooks, it works just fine in Win 11. Several colleagues of mine have Lenovos, at times they blue screen daily & sometime crash or lockup multiple times a day.

    Interesting.. I've had the opposite, where Lenovos always seemed to work fairly well, whereas I've had a couple issues with HP. But the HP was mainly hardware, related to the GPUs they used.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jul 20 14:15:13 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 2024 08:03 am

    Windows 10/11 plus WSL2 is a pretty good developer package. My company uses NGINX and Python for most of our web app. We used to use cygwin, Linux virtual machines and linux dev environments on locally-hosted VMs for local development.

    WSL quickly became the standard.

    I used to work for a company that had an IT policy that disallowed installing WSL. I'm not sure why though..

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  • From Newtype Len@21:2/148 to kirkspragg on Sat Jul 20 19:26:00 2024
    People were laughing at me for using C64s and 386 computers. Look whose laughing now.


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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jul 20 22:53:24 2024
    Interesting to note that Crowdstrike's CTO was Mcafee's CTO when the
    same thing happened with Mcafee AV in the 2010s.

    Oooh that is interesting. I remember that around that time Mcaffee's reputation took a pretty sharp dive due to a string of issues as their anti-virus software became closer & closer to being malware itself.

    That bodes ill for Cloudstrike's future.

    ... Does Anal Retentive contain a hyphen?

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 22:58:09 2024
    I have one of the older elitebooks, it works just fine in Win 11. Sev colleagues of mine have Lenovos, at times they blue screen daily & sometime crash or lockup multiple times a day.

    Interesting.. I've had the opposite, where Lenovos always seemed to work fairly well, whereas I've had a couple issues with HP. But the HP was mainly hardware, related to the GPUs they used.

    Where windows 10/11 & stability is concerned I have given up trying to understand it... Maybe the software you have installed in your work environment is fine with your lenovos & for some reason causes HPs to have problems. Why? Who knows...

    However where I work, Lenovo laptops + Windows 11 + MS office & Teams == daily crashes. For all know it might actually be the fault of our corporate endpoint security solution or something else IT has installed across all our laptops.

    ... Bad or missing mouse - boot the Cat (Y/n)?

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 23:03:39 2024
    I used to work for a company that had an IT policy that disallowed installing WSL. I'm not sure why though..

    Maybe they were concerned that would enable staff to bypass whatever corporate IT security/moinitoring was installed?

    I remember similar concerns being raised where I work way back when, however when it was pointed that the alternative was to run linux in VMs on our workstations (which is much more difficult to keep track of) or run linux on our workstations instead of windows, WSL quickly became the standard.

    WSL 2 is pretty good, I use it a lot at work & couldn't imagine having to work purely in windows any more.

    ... When we think, life thinks.

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Newtype Len on Sat Jul 20 23:04:58 2024
    People were laughing at me for using C64s and 386 computers. Look whose laughing now.

    Yup my 286 was totally unaffected. Who needs this modern trash anyhow??

    ... Data, data everywhere, and not a byte to eat!

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 23 14:22:29 2024
    The podcast Re:Work has the two co-founders from 37Signals, a
    productivity app maker. They have some very interesting episodes where they discuss moving everything from the cloud back to on-prem to manage runaway costs and to own their infrastructure again.

    I'm sure the pendulum will swing back elsewhere, too.

    Moving from on-prem to the cloud, then back to on-prem again is like an employment protection act - always project work to be had, moving back
    and forth!

    I'm not surprised to see such trend again. I discovered it at home when I invested 1k USD equivalent to have my own little private cloud with 24TB in RAID + containers and apps and LAN more than enough to run 10-20 peopls company with no extra cost.

    What I also found studying history of IT is that everything works in cycles and one of those is to centralize and to decentralize in cycles as well.

    Part of mainframes/cloud is part of the same cycle name definition, just different implementation.. micro/servers/on-prem is another...

    -h1

    ... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Newtype Len on Tue Jul 23 14:27:50 2024

    People were laughing at me for using C64s and 386 computers. Look whose laughing now.

    I love it! :)

    -h1

    ... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hollowone on Wed Jul 24 06:17:00 2024
    hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Moving from on-prem to the cloud, then back to on-prem again is like an employment protection act - always project work to be had, moving back
    and forth!

    I'm not surprised to see such trend again. I discovered it at home when
    I invested 1k USD equivalent to have my own little private cloud with
    24TB in RAID + containers and apps and LAN more than enough to run
    10-20 peopls company with no extra cost.

    I just saw a joke online:

    A man runs into a genie, who makes the following offer:

    I WILL GIVE YOU 1 BILLION DOLLARS IF YOU COULD SPEND 100 MILLION IN ONE
    MONTH. THERE ARE 3 RULES.

    1. NO DONATING TO CHARITY

    2. NO GAMBLING

    3. NO GIFTING

    The man says "Can I use AWS?"

    THERE ARE 4 RULES.






    What I also found studying history of IT is that everything works in cycles and one of those is to centralize and to decentralize in cycles
    as well.

    Part of mainframes/cloud is part of the same cycle name definition,
    just different implementation.. micro/servers/on-prem is another...

    -h1

    ... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere
    copy.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to kirkspragg on Wed Jul 24 06:44:00 2024
    kirkspragg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Interesting to note that Crowdstrike's CTO was Mcafee's CTO when the
    same thing happened with Mcafee AV in the 2010s.

    Oooh that is interesting. I remember that around that time Mcaffee's reputation took a pretty sharp dive due to a string of issues as their anti-virus software became closer & closer to being malware itself.

    That bodes ill for Cloudstrike's future.

    One correction. He was Mcafee's CTO in 2010 and CrowdStrike's CEO in
    2024. Talk about failing upwards!

    One guy who's career I've followed was Steven Elop. His career is quite
    the example of failing upwards. I first ran into him at Macromedia when
    was brought on and quickly promoted to COO. During the negotiations with
    Adobe, Elop was made CEO. He was brought on board to Adobe, worked for a
    little over a year (just enough time for accelerated vesting) and cashed
    out a 1.8 million dollar severance on a 500K salary.

    He worked at Juniper Networks for exactly a year and a day, cashing out
    his stock. Elop was being prepared to be named CEO when he left for
    Microsoft.

    While at Microsoft, he was in charge of Office and formed an alliance
    with Nokia to bring office to Symbian OS.

    Microsoft pressured Nokia to hire him as their CEO, the first
    non-Finnish CEO. He was paid a $6 million signing bonus, $1.4 million
    salary, plus compensation for lost income from Microsoft.

    During his tenure, the stock tanked and their smartphone market share
    dropped from 33% to 3% and the company lost $4.9 billion euros.

    He wrote a memo trashing the current platform that was leaked to the
    press and promised a new platform via an alliance with Microsoft.

    He then chose Microsoft phone as a platform for Nokia, scrapping the
    Symbian OS that was their basis. When asked why not Android, he said
    they wanted to differentiate the market.

    Instead, he laid off 21,000 people, closed plants and was widely seen
    as a trojan horse. In 2013, Microsoft bought a gutten Nokia.

    His deal was revised on the day of the signing, and he received a 18.8
    million euro bonus after he stepped down as CEO.

    He was hired back at Microsoft in 2014 and laid off in 2015.



    The amount of money people were willing to pay this guy is unreal.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hollowone on Wed Jul 24 06:48:00 2024
    hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    What I also found studying history of IT is that everything works in cycles and one of those is to centralize and to decentralize in cycles
    as well.

    I worked at a gig where I inherited a huge server room. At one point it
    was full of AS/400s, now a handful of racks managed all of the load.
    One AS/400 stood in the corner, we decomissioned it during my tenure.

    My boss told me that he was embarrassed at the state of the room, and
    that he e-wasted "pallets" of IBM XTs and ATs before I arrived.. "There
    had to be 50 PCs that my predecessor hadn't disposed of..."

    I wept inside, thinking of how much they could have gotten on the
    market for them - and how I could have had an IBM AT or a couple...




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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to kirkspragg on Wed Jul 24 08:56:45 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: kirkspragg to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 2024 10:58 pm

    Where windows 10/11 & stability is concerned I have given up trying to understand it... Maybe the software you have installed in your work environment is fine with your lenovos & for some reason causes HPs to have problems. Why? Who knows...

    However where I work, Lenovo laptops + Windows 11 + MS office & Teams == daily crashes. For all know it might actually be the fault of our corporate endpoint security solution or something else IT has installed across all our laptops.

    Currently, my work laptop is a Dell. I actually haven't used Windows 11 on a Lenovo..

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Wed Jul 24 09:13:18 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: Nightfox to kirkspragg on Wed Jul 24 2024 08:56 am

    However where I work, Lenovo laptops + Windows 11 + MS office & Teams ==
    daily crashes. For all know it might actually be the fault of our
    corporate endpoint security solution or something else IT has installed
    across all our laptops.

    Currently, my work laptop is a Dell. I actually haven't used Windows 11 on Lenovo..

    I leave my laptop on most of the time, except weekends. I have a Lenovo Yoga, Windows 11, Intune MDM, Microsoft 365 and WSL2, never had a crash - not even with CrowdStrike installed. I guess I missed the update or was able to get the updated channel file before it crashed.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 24 11:54:18 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 24 2024 09:13 am

    Currently, my work laptop is a Dell. I actually haven't used Windows 11 on
    Lenovo..

    I leave my laptop on most of the time, except weekends. I have a Lenovo Yoga, Windows 11, Intune MDM, Microsoft 365 and WSL2, never had a crash - not even with CrowdStrike installed. I guess I missed the update or was able to get the updated channel file before it crashed.

    I haven't been affected by the Crowdstrike issue either. I happened to have my work laptop turned off overnight last Thursday night though, as I normally bring it home and work from home on Fridays.

    Recently, sometimes my work laptop has been blue-screening and rebooting when I unplug it from the docking station though, which has been a bit frustrating. I normally have it on my work desk plugged into its docking station, where another monitor and a keyboard & mouse is plugged into it. I usually unplug my laptop and bring it with me to meetings, and sometimes it has been blue-screening when I do that.

    Nightfox
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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 28 22:38:56 2024
    The amount of money people were willing to pay this guy is unreal.

    It just staggering, honestly it makes me feel a little ill thinking about it.

    ... Some days the muse sings, others she coughs up hairballs.

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  • From Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Aug 2 00:09:34 2024
    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jul 20 2024 02:15 pm

    Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 2024 08:03 am

    Windows 10/11 plus WSL2 is a pretty good developer package. My company uses NGINX and Python for most of our web app. We used to use cygwin, Linux virtual machines and linux dev environments on locally-hosted VMs for local development.

    WSL quickly became the standard.

    I used to work for a company that had an IT policy that disallowed installing WSL. I'm not sure why though..

    It's much harder for IT to snoop on your activies in a VM guest OS (such as WSL).
    --
    digital man (rob)

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