https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rthM-JX8LEg

For full details....

https://www.google.com/search?q=erldunda
for just how remote it really is... middle of the boonies.
One of our motoring bodies... NRMA bopped an EV charging station out in the middle of nowhere.. (must keep an eye out for dead celestial heads.) On the premise its solar powered, with batteries and a just in case diseasal generator.

The failures include, the solar component being unable to recharge a single vehicle in a timely manner. Assuming you charge more than two vehicles per
day the solar rig wouldn't be able to produce sufficient electrickery.

The battery, if we generously say its fully charged on day one, and you
trundle lets say 4 cars through, the station has 4 charge outlets.. you'd either drain it, or have it fully supplementing the minimail solar output
with no top up for the following day.

So if we put 3 or more EVs a day through this thing forever... then it
becomes a diseasal powered electric charger with a little bit of solar boost
on a good day. Not remotely possible of being particularly green.

Welcome to Aussie electric utopia.

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Welcome to Aussie electric utopia.

I bought a BMW i3 with the range extender, a little 650cc gas engine
with a 2 gallon tank that runs a generator to preserve the state of
charge or to power the car. I can get about 75 miles on gas only.

I wonder how far apart the farthest gas stations are in Australia?
Probably quite far.

Some people have gone to the extent of creating another gas tank in the
frunk or just carrying a 2 gallon Jerry can in the frunk to give you
around 150 miles gas range.

That's way outside of my use case. I work from home, taking occasional
60 mile round trips to an office. I can charge from home overnight and
when I do drive, I'm going to Silicon Valley, with a ton of charging
stations if needed.

We also have a SUV for long trips and trips with the family and dogs.



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Welcome to Aussie electric utopia.

Looks like you need more global warming to get enough power channeled in :>

-h1

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Re: Re: Aussie EV failures...
By: hollowone to Spectre on Wed Nov 08 2023 12:06 pm

Looks like you need more global warming to get enough power channeled in :>

Polution for abuse of fossile fuels is a self correcting matter. If left unchecked, prices will raise so bad only the army will afford fuel powered vehicles and the rest of the population will walk on their boots, thus ending fossile fuel ussage.

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I wonder how far apart the farthest gas stations are in Australia? Probably quite far.

Hmmm If you stick to the beaten track and highways about the end of every tankful of petrol (gas) you'll find a servo. In days past I'd drive the 800+ Km to Sydney from Melbourne, it didn't much matter what car I was in, it'd be near the end of the tank, and refill in Wagga Wagga. This went with the Ford Falcon with its 4L inline 6, or the old toyota corolla... seems like here we went for tank size for distance. The Wagga Wagga stop is ~500Km, the other
300 takes almost as much fuel due to steep hills/mountains.

If you're going to somewhere like Perth, a trip I've never done. Its ~2000Km and a lot of that is pretty sparsely inhabited. Which is where you find the chip oil powered diseasal generator to power your EV with.. no idea what
other charging stations are out there, but the problem becomes a lot of these places are remote enough there is no grid power. But even out there in this day and age, you've got fuel stops every 80 to 190Km.

I have had the odd occasion where I've not run out, but had to buy fuel from
a farmer close to a town with no service station. But these tend to be really small towns where if you knew the area better you'd fill before doing the scenic back roads tour.

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Polution for abuse of fossile fuels is a self correcting matter. If left unchecked, prices will raise so bad only the army will afford fuel powered vehicles and the rest of the population will walk on their boots, thus ending fossile fuel ussage.

Given its mostly run by a cartel, probably won't happen until there's a true shortage of the stuff. They're more interested in keeping volume and profits up.

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unchecked, prices will raise so bad only the army will afford fuel
powered vehicles and the rest of the population will walk on their
boots, thus ending fossile fuel ussage.

Reminds me that, oftentimes it's not the change that's the big problem, it's how quickly things change.

So, expensive fuel may not be a huge problem, if the price has slowly gone up and society has prepared for it.

But if filling up at the gas station suddenly cost 10x...

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Polution for abuse of fossile fuels is a self correcting matter. If left unchecked, prices will raise so bad only the army will afford fuel
powered vehicles and the rest of the population will walk on their
boots, thus ending fossile fuel ussage.

That's what I opt will happen that we come back to the world of less option to travel and commute mid to long distance.

In our grandparents world only rich, gov or military will be able to fly overseas.

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Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I wonder how far apart the farthest gas stations are in Australia? Probably quite far.

Hmmm If you stick to the beaten track and highways about the end of
every tankful of petrol (gas) you'll find a servo. In days past I'd
drive the 800+ Km to Sydney from Melbourne, it didn't much matter what
car I was in, it'd be near the end of the tank, and refill in Wagga
Wagga. This went with the Ford Falcon with its 4L inline 6, or the old toyota corolla... seems like here we went for tank size for distance.
The Wagga Wagga stop is ~500Km, the other 300 takes almost as much fuel due to steep hills/mountains.

I miss my Prius - 740km on a tank. More if you baby it.




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Re: Re: Aussie EV failures...
By: Adept to Arelor on Thu Nov 09 2023 11:47 am

So, expensive fuel may not be a huge problem, if the price has slowly gone u

Expensive energy is a huge problem because the availability of energy dictates the availability of everything else, including food and medicine.

Your typical Western country has grown its population based on the asumption that a certain level of food and essentials can be provided with the current technology and availability of energy. More expensive fuel means less food and less medicine and less wool blankets to face winter.

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Your typical Western country has grown its population based on the asumption that a certain level of food and essentials can be provided
with the current technology and availability of energy. More expensive

I mean, yeah, there's no condition where expensive energy is easily handled.

Just that, if transportation costs slowly get more expensive, then society adjusts with a shorter supply chain, more trains, denser housing, and all the other things that are more efficient, fuel-wise, we'll probably be fine-ish, in the richer societies.

But a supply shock would cause issues well beyond what a slow increase would.

But, sure, society can only adjust so far before the changes are too drastic to continue with something similar to what came before.

Here's to hoping that we don't experience these things, or deal with them well enough to limit the suffering.

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Adept wrote to Arelor <=-

Just that, if transportation costs slowly get more expensive, then
society adjusts with a shorter supply chain, more trains, denser
housing, and all the other things that are more efficient, fuel-wise, we'll probably be fine-ish, in the richer societies.

Sounds like Peak Oil thinking. I've listened to James Kunstler for
years, he's written non-fiction and fiction about a world without oil.

Visions of 19th century train logistics connecting cities, river boats,
suburban sprawl becoming untenable, subsistence farming and geographic
isolation. Again.

He has a fiction series, called "World without Oil" that takes place in
such a world, maybe a 100-200 years in the future.

He doesn't talk about the violent uphevals it would take to get there.
I'd imagine the haves not wanting to give up the status quo and living
on some refuge somewhere with hoarded reserves while we revert to an
earlier way of life.




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Hello p.F!

** On Friday 10.11.23 - 07:13, you wrote to Adept:

He has a fiction series, called "World without Oil" that takes place in
such a world, maybe a 100-200 years in the future.

The World Made by Hand quartet?

World Made by Hand (2007)
The Witch of Hebron (2010)
A History of the Future (2014)
The Harrows of Spring (2016)


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Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Hello p.F!

** On Friday 10.11.23 - 07:13, you wrote to Adept:

He has a fiction series, called "World without Oil" that takes place in
such a world, maybe a 100-200 years in the future.

The World Made by Hand quartet?

Yep, that's the one - it's been a minute since I read them.




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