• Re: Hola

    From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Tracker1 on Tue May 2 12:12:17 2023
    Re: Re: Hola
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 02 2023 07:01 pm

    I'd put it in line with knowing basic car maintenance like being able to change your own oil. Or changing out your own light or switch.

    I've said that in retrospect the two classes I should have taken in high school were auto shop and typing.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 2 13:54:45 2023
    Re: Re: Hola
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Tue May 02 2023 12:12 pm

    I'd put it in line with knowing basic car maintenance like being
    able to change your own oil. Or changing out your own light or
    switch.

    I've said that in retrospect the two classes I should have taken in high school were auto shop and typing.

    I don't remember my high school offering auto shop. I did take a typing class in 8th grade, and then at some point in high school, I had an extra class slot that I had to fill with an elective, and I ended up choosing a typing class again because there weren't any others that seemed interesting to me at the time.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Tue May 2 18:30:11 2023
    Re: Re: Hola
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 02 2023 01:54 pm

    I don't remember my high school offering auto shop. I did take a typing

    Count Zero Interrupt, one of the sysops in the othernet I was in back in the '90s took a job in the IT department at a local high school - he's now running IT for a district.

    He moved out into the country, bought a big plot of land, planned on building a house. He bought an old '60s Dodge 1 ton truck to haul the material he'd need and let the kids rebuild the engine in shop class. Everybody wins.

    The rest of the story: He bought the truck from a city 60 miles away from his land. He brought it home, parked it in the driveway and his neighbor did a double-take - the truck had belonged to the previous owner, who had passed away.
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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Nightfox on Wed May 3 08:27:32 2023
    Yeah, they can be large. And I don't really have a high-end audio
    system, so I probably won't notice the difference in audio quality, but
    I still feel like if I'm going to pay money for something, I don't want
    to be too compressed. I think they charge about the same for a movie on
    a streaming service as they do for a blu-ray or DVD version.

    Yeah I always feel like I have to turn the volume up to hear the voices and then the bass is over exaggerated when watching streaming flicks. To your point, I'd much rather own the physical copy because I'm just old(er) and opening a vinyl or cassette tape and reading the inside sleeve used to mean something :) I don't mind paying $4.99 to rent the movie. While it's more then old "mail it to me" Netflix or Redbox, it's not a bad price for a family of five; and has conditioned me to be more selective on which movies I do purchase.

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 3 08:31:37 2023
    San Francisco in the 1990s - there was a BTO computer shop every mile or so, and LAN TIMES and Computer Currents ran ads for them in every issue.
    I cashed out a ton of PTO in 1997 and splurged on a BTO computer - was able to specify every part, including what kind of keyboard I wanted. It was a luxury after scrounging computers for the past 10 years.

    I worked for a company that sold PC's and mid-high end A/V during the 90's and early 2000's. I remember the "truck load sales" when you could buy a non name brand clone and see every brand of part within it. There were so many awesome clone PCs during the 90's. We had the BTO shops as well, I bought a couple from them. Did you have guys building them in their basements or garages? I had a couple of buddies that would advertise in the local rags, and BTO for and just charge an "assembly fee" otherwise "cost for parts." What as a PTO?

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 3 08:35:02 2023
    The Synology units are pricey, but modern ones offer NVME caches, the ability to run Docker natively, and Synology's drive, backup, email,
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    As tempting as it sounds, I'd say I need all of that and then just use it for 1980-1990's BBS file archives (Smilez) so likely not. I would like to play around with Docker one day .. yes I haven't yet (I know .. I know .. :) Once I buy a new desktop (maybe BTO ...) I'll use my laptop as the experiment, break, redo, figure it out PC.

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Mickey on Wed May 3 08:36:07 2023
    Is this the stuff you put in Poke Salad, Annie?

    Have you seen how they prepare Poke weed to make it safe to eat? It's kinda like preparing puffer fish (haha ..) I have no clue what Poke Salad, Annie is ..

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to deon on Wed May 3 08:45:01 2023
    I recently went through the exercise of exploring how much to "build my own" vs buying a NAS. I wanted the small form factor (that the

    Eh, not sure I want to build my own .. I have noticed a few "less expensive" options then the first brand that pulled up with a quick search such as the Terramaster F4-210 for $209 (4 bay,) and the Sabrent USB 3.2 DS-SC4B is $229. This is all new to me so these names mean nothing, maybe are just that .. But for sure much cheaper to buy which is my intent (other then purchasing the HD's separately.)

    At home (and the van), I have QNAPs, but I dont run QNAP software, I use

    What model QNAPs do you run by chance? I see they range from $300ish to $wayoutofpricerangish

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Digital Man on Wed May 3 08:46:17 2023
    Yes. There will be limits on the number of transcoded streams (based on your CPU/GPU capability and what else the Plex server system is
    servicing) and the total network through-put your server can support,
    but should be plenty for a family.
    --

    It's beginning to make sense. If I ever get to a day off I'm buying one (sometime next week ..)

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Tracker1 on Wed May 3 08:52:05 2023
    Yeah, before Fry's came in, there were about 8-9 smaller computer
    stores, but 6 of them were owned by the same guy under different names. Trying to get a MB locally and having to drive to a few places reminded
    me of those days too.

    Do you still have Fry's? Ours closed. Hmm .. sounds like a fun business to open. If someone lived in an area with a lot of neighbors employed within the tech industry it might be fun to "test." And with those concerned about "privacy" BTO might even attract those (with money) who want a more custom machine with the right software / services supporting it (all while supporting the little guy ..) Ok thats one heck of an ad to try to market but dang it I want the corner PC store back in the hood.

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Tracker1 on Wed May 3 08:55:06 2023
    A used server on Ebay, assuming you have space for a 1-2u server chasis
    On the used server front, it may cost about the same, but you can often find systems that are a lot more powerful, loaded with ram, and maybe slightly older drives with life left on them.


    Hmm ... note to self: don't be lazy and buy off Amazon might be a good option. I haven't bought on eBay forever but thank you, I'll do my research and see what i can come up with.

    Appreciate everyones input there.

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to The Godfather on Wed May 3 23:53:54 2023
    Re: Re: Hola
    By: The Godfather to deon on Wed May 03 2023 08:45 am

    Eh, not sure I want to build my own .. I have noticed a few "less expensive" options then the first brand that pulled up with a quick search such as the Terramaster F4-210 for $209 (4 bay,) and the Sabrent USB 3.2 DS-SC4B is $229. This is all new to me so these names mean nothing, maybe are just that

    So a couple of things to keep in mind (this depends if you want to run other things on it too - like media services).

    The F4-210 is an ARM NAS, so anything you need to run on it, will need to be ARM based.

    The DS-SC4B is not a NAS, but rather a external disk caddy. IE: You'll need to plug it into a machine that is "the NAS" (or whatever else).

    The SC4B is another option to the "build your own" paradigm, ie: connect it to a small form factor server that runs the NAS software. ie: it takes care of the power/cooling and data bus for drive storage.


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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to deon on Wed May 3 10:20:12 2023
    So a couple of things to keep in mind (this depends if you want to run other things on it too - like media services).

    Ah .. yes .. the reason we still need corner computer stores -- I'd have bought the wrong stuff :)

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  • From Mickey@21:1/159.15 to The Godfather on Wed May 3 09:57:40 2023
    BY: The Godfather (21:3/165)


    Have you seen how they prepare Poke weed to make it safe to eat? It's kinda like preparing puffer fish (haha ..) I have no clue what Poke
    Salad, Annie is ..


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXHxh3Sye0




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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to The Godfather on Wed May 3 16:21:50 2023
    Do you still have Fry's? Ours closed. Hmm .. sounds like a fun business to open. If someone lived in an area with a lot of neighbors employed within the tech industry it might be fun to "test." And with those concerned about "privacy" BTO might even attract those (with money) who want a more custom machine with the right software / services supporting it (all while supporting the little guy ..) Ok thats one heck of an ad to try to market but dang it I want the corner PC store back in the hood.

    Ours have closed as well... I did first try a mom n' pop local to me... not sure how busy they are in practice though, and they didn't keep stock on hand, so wasn't much help to me. I get it, mostly as parts depriciate in value so much and so quickly.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to The Godfather on Wed May 3 12:14:36 2023
    Re: Re: Hola
    By: The Godfather to Mickey on Wed May 03 2023 08:36 am

    Have you seen how they prepare Poke weed to make it safe to eat? It's kinda like preparing puffer fish (haha ..) I have no clue what Poke Salad, Annie is ..

    Around California, a Poke bowl is sashimi-grade tuna in a bowl with nori, sesame seeds, rice and a hot sauce (usually sriracha and mayo).
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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195.5 to The Godfather on Thu May 4 09:50:57 2023
    Hi The Godfather,

    On Wednesday May 03 2023, The Godfather said to deon:

    I recently went through the exercise of exploring how much to "build
    my own" vs buying a NAS. I wanted the small form factor (that the

    Eh, not sure I want to build my own .. I have noticed a few "less expensive" options then the first brand that pulled up with a quick
    search such as the Terramaster F4-210 for $209 (4 bay,) and the Sabrent USB 3.2 DS-SC4B is $229. This is all new to me so these names mean nothing, maybe are just that .. But for sure much cheaper to buy which
    is my intent (other then purchasing the HD's separately.)

    Do you have a oldish pc that's not being used? If you do then put either Nas4Free or Truenas on a USB memory stick and then install the HD's.

    Use ZFS and you then have a system that will survive moves to different hardware, as long as the drives are ok.. I've done that just recently with a client.. Moved from a *old* dell core 2 something, to a I3-3240. The only
    thing that changed was adding an extra 4gb of ram (Now 8), and moving the
    HD's across.

    ZFS dosn't care about what port the drives are on, as they get 'label' and
    then just re-connects them.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Godfather on Thu May 4 21:34:00 2023
    Its not poke salad Annie, but polk salad Annie. Polk is meant to be some
    kind of weed you can subsist on. Poor peoples food during the depression
    kind of thing...

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vorlon on Thu May 4 06:49:00 2023
    Vorlon wrote to The Godfather <=-

    Use ZFS and you then have a system that will survive moves to different hardware, as long as the drives are ok.. I've done that just recently
    with a client.. Moved from a *old* dell core 2 something, to a I3-3240. The only thing that changed was adding an extra 4gb of ram (Now 8), and moving the HD's across.

    ZFS dosn't care about what port the drives are on, as they get 'label'
    and then just re-connects them.

    My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I thought
    I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?



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  • From deon@21:2/116 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 5 08:44:43 2023
    Re: Re: Hola
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vorlon on Thu May 04 2023 06:49 am

    My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I thought
    I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?

    So it depends on your requirements. If you want fast I/O *and* de-duplication, then yes its a gig per terabyte apparently.

    I run it on a 4GB QNAP that has 16TB of storage - but I dont use de-duplication, and its just stores my photos and videos. (IE: I dont use it as a drive letter that I read/write edit files from directly). That same machine also has a jellyfin jail.

    I still get reasonable performance that's good enough for what I use it for.


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195.5 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 5 15:19:45 2023
    Hi Poindexter,

    On Thursday May 04 2023, Poindexter Fortran said to Vorlon:

    a I3-3240. The only thing that changed was adding an extra 4gb of ram
    (Now 8), and moving the HD's across.

    ZFS dosn't care about what port the drives are on, as they get 'label'
    and then just re-connects them.

    My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I
    thought I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?

    ZFS does like memory, and the more it has the better.. But in saying that
    these setup's I've used in it have only 2/4tb drives in z2 (Mirror) and have been fine with 4gb of ram in the machine...

    The only reason I upped the recent one, was I could! I didn't see any difference in the way the machine performed. The previous setup was only getting replaced as one of the client machines was updated, and after some
    time the user was happey with the new PC. So I then replaced there NAS box
    with the clients previous user pc.


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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 6 08:22:46 2023
    Around California, a Poke bowl is sashimi-grade tuna in a bowl with nori, sesame seeds, rice and a hot sauce (usually sriracha and mayo).

    Oh of course .. duh. Yeah no, pokeweed is something I wouldn't eat :) (Nor the Poke Bowls, just not much into fish ... :/ )

    https://stoneageman.com/deadly-poisonous-pokeweed-is-actually-edible-if-yo u-do-this/

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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to deon on Sat May 6 19:58:35 2023
    My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I
    thought I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?

    So it depends on your requirements. If you want fast I/O *and* de-duplication, then yes its a gig per terabyte apparently.

    I run it on a 4GB QNAP that has 16TB of storage - but I dont use de-duplication, and its just stores my photos and videos. (IE: I dont use it as a drive letter that I read/write edit files from directly). That same machine also has a jellyfin jail.

    Will also vary by network throughput (10gb+ or 1gb?) and the number of concurrent users.


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