paperwork... I did always wonder what the point of a safety helmet wa if the crane fell on you =p

Help protect the head for your open-casket funeral.

I'd have to note there's a lot of stuff a safety helmet won't protect you from. If you're on the ground and someone drops a "nut" or something accidently or otherwise, by the time it reaches the ground it'll be traveling at close to the velocity of a bullet, possibly with a lot more mass. it'll make a right mess of your noggin depsite the helmet. On the other hand if you're working timber framing and someone loses a piece a floor up or so, then you'll be thankful you had it on. I always found they inhibit upward view quite considerably.

It's a bit like safety boots, you'll be doing well to find a pair that will stop something like a 3" nail going straight into your foot. But a steel cap will save you from a lot of other grief.

Safety glasses... were always hard to look after. Fog lots if you can't keep them clean. And by the time they get scratched, can't see a thing usefully.

I also have to note, when you put someone in safety equipment they tend to take more risks. Because they feel safer... kind of seems dumb but apparently thats human nature.

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StormTrooper wrote to Adept <=-

I'd have to note there's a lot of stuff a safety helmet won't
protect you from. If you're on the ground and someone drops a
"nut" or something accidently or otherwise, by the time it
reaches the ground it'll be traveling at close to the velocity of
a bullet, possibly with a lot more mass. it'll make a right mess
of your noggin depsite the helmet.

You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they're all wrong. "By
the time it reaches the ground..." depends on how high up it was dropped
from. Also, no matter how high up it was dropped from, it will be
traveling at nowhere *NEAR* the velocity of a bullet. Not even close.

On the other hand if you're working timber framing and someone
loses a piece a floor up or so, then you'll be thankful you had
it on.

What if the "nut" in your example above was only dropped from a floor up
or so...? Would you be thankful to have the helmet on?

(9.8 m/sec squared)... ;-)

The nut will be traveling at the same speed that the piece of timber is,
or very close (due to air resistance).



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I also have to note, when you put someone in safety equipment they tend
to take more risks. Because they feel safer... kind of seems dumb but apparently thats human nature.

I think that that one is fascinating.

E.g., older drivers tend to drive more slowly than younger drivers. And this is explained by similar psychology, where the younger drivers trust in their faster response times.

And same with bike riders wearing helmets. End result is about the same level of safety.

But what's _also_ interesting, is that you can play with this psychology. Instead of making roads wide and open, you make them narrow and have a variety of obstacles.

Or even just have more paint on the road, where it's not an obstacle, but it feels faster.

Then people will naturally slow down, and the road becomes safer (mostly for pedestrians) as a result.

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It's a bit like safety boots, you'll be doing well to find a pair that will stop something like a 3" nail going straight into your foot. But a steel cap will save you from a lot of other grief.

This also reminds me that I'm sad that it's remarkably challenging to find safety and work gear that's designed with women in mind.

E.g., it's nice to have clothing that goes around curves, rather than breasts just making a person look fatter because clothing tents off.

But, yeah, much of the safety gear seems to be for having minor incidents stay minor.

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StormTrooper wrote to Adept <=-

helmet. On the other hand if you're working timber framing and someone loses a piece a floor up or so, then you'll be thankful you had it on.
I always found they inhibit upward view quite considerably.

I had a high-school buddy who worked in his dad's construction company
during college summers. He had a sheet of plywood fall from a floor
above - his hard hat took the brunt of it, but the bulk of his injuries
were his ankle and knee that twisted when he went down.

It took him a long time to recuperate; luckily tha San Francisco bay
area is flush with sports medicine specialists who are used to seeing
knee and ankle injuries.



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You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they're all wrong. "By
the time it reaches the ground..." depends on how high up it was dropped from. Also, no matter how high up it was dropped from, it will be traveling at nowhere *NEAR* the velocity of a bullet. Not even close.

Well yes, of course. I'm working on something like 30 or more floors. If you work on the theory that each floor is some 2.5m, comes out to ~38m/s. I'm also expecting said nut to be pretty hefty, so while you're right the velocity is going to be slow compared to any bullet. But it is going to deal comparitively more or similar kinetic energy due to mass.

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You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they're all wrong. "By
the time it reaches the ground..." depends on how high up it was dropped from. Also, no matter how high up it was dropped from, it will be traveling at nowhere *NEAR* the velocity of a bullet. Not even close.

Interestingly, if you were miles up in the air and fired a bullet directly at the ground, in spite of gravitational pull, the bullet would slow due to the friction of the air.

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StormTrooper wrote to Gamgee <=-

You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they're all wrong. "By
the time it reaches the ground..." depends on how high up it was dropped from. Also, no matter how high up it was dropped from, it will be traveling at nowhere *NEAR* the velocity of a bullet. Not even close.

Well yes, of course. I'm working on something like 30 or more
floors. If you work on the theory that each floor is some 2.5m,
comes out to ~38m/s. I'm also expecting said nut to be pretty
hefty, so while you're right the velocity is going to be slow
compared to any bullet. But it is going to deal comparitively
more or similar kinetic energy due to mass.

Okay.... but, more assumptions. It's never good to make assumptions
when talking about science. You're assuming I (and others) was able to
read your mind about the 30 floors up, and that the nut was "hefty".
None of that was specified or clear in the original message.

In the end, the biggest/worst assumption was that a safety helmet
wouldn't do any good. I certainly *might*, under some scenarios, such
as a glancing blow to the helmet (instead of the skull).



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esc wrote to Gamgee <=-

You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they're all wrong. "By
the time it reaches the ground..." depends on how high up it was dropped from. Also, no matter how high up it was dropped from, it will be traveling at nowhere *NEAR* the velocity of a bullet. Not even close.

Interestingly, if you were miles up in the air and fired a bullet
directly at the ground, in spite of gravitational pull, the
bullet would slow due to the friction of the air.

Yes, indeed it would. Great example!



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Adept wrote to StormTrooper <=-

E.g., it's nice to have clothing that goes around curves, rather than breasts just making a person look fatter because clothing tents off.

But, yeah, much of the safety gear seems to be for having minor
incidents stay minor.

I've been working around high voltage lately and been sitting in safety briefings at various sites in my company (solar/wind power). It's sort
of chilling to look at clothing made to not catch fire if you're
electrocuted.



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I've been working around high voltage lately and been sitting in safety briefings at various sites in my company (solar/wind power). It's sort
of chilling to look at clothing made to not catch fire if you're electrocuted.

It's even more chilling when you see switchgear explode all over someone. Unfortunately when you don't wear that gear the end result is always the same.

You think to yourself why does that guy need to be wearing all that just to switch something on, then you look at a video of one exploding and you say 'ah, that's why'

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Re: Re: Safety Gear
By: StormTrooper to Adept on Mon Mar 27 2023 04:17 am

It's a bit like safety boots, you'll be doing well to find a pair that will

Oh yeah. I wear safety boots around young horses. SOmetimes it seems it doesn t prevent them from finding an unarmored section of your boot and stepping on it XD

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Hi Arelor,

Oh yeah. I wear safety boots around young horses. SOmetimes it seems
it doesn t prevent them from finding an unarmored section of your boot
and stepping on it

I grew up around horses untill my late 20's.. Only ever had one step on a foot... Even hand feed/attend one who's mother rejectered her just after
birth. She grew up to know when ever we called her name, she would come
running up from anywhere in the paddock to us.


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Re: Re: Safety Gear
By: vorlon to Arelor on Sun Apr 02 2023 10:05 am

Hi Arelor,

Oh yeah. I wear safety boots around young horses. SOmetimes it seems
it doesn t prevent them from finding an unarmored section of your boot and stepping on it

I grew up around horses untill my late 20's.. Only ever had one step on a foot... Even hand feed/attend one who's mother rejectered her just after birth. She grew up to know when ever we called her name, she would come running up from anywhere in the paddock to us.

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The mother of one of my darlings had suffered some past thrauma or something and disliked people. She was not openly agressive but she would try to make people uncomfortable in order to keep them away. One of the things she liked to do the most was to step on people's feet intentionally.

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Hi Arelor,

The mother of one of my darlings had suffered some past thrauma or
something and disliked people. She was not openly agressive but she
would try to make people uncomfortable in order to keep them away. One
of the things she liked to do the most was to step on people's feet intentionally.

Oh that's certainly the sign of being mistreated. They do rememeber
things like that. We had one that was like that, and only dad after many
years was able to approach her once he got her into a corner. It tooks me
just as many to be able to be witin a meter or so of her. She passed away
at 21 before I could get any closer.

I used to have to at times got into the padock at night to get one of
them, and as long as they knew what has going on by making a noise they would'nt really care.



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Re: Re: Safety Gear
By: vorlon to Arelor on Wed Apr 12 2023 10:24 am

Hi Arelor,

The mother of one of my darlings had suffered some past thrauma or something and disliked people. She was not openly agressive but she
would try to make people uncomfortable in order to keep them away. One
of the things she liked to do the most was to step on people's feet intentionally.

Oh that's certainly the sign of being mistreated. They do rememeber
things like that. We had one that was like that, and only dad after many years was able to approach her once he got her into a corner. It tooks me just as many to be able to be witin a meter or so of her. She passed away
at 21 before I could get any closer.

I used to have to at times got into the padock at night to get one of
them, and as long as they knew what has going on by making a noise they would'nt really care.

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This one ended up being quite recoverable.

One of my horses had a bad experience with her previous owner involving sticks and would sometimes freak out if she saw somebody holding something resembling a stick (such as, say, a shovel or a pitchfork). She got past that, mostly, and now the problem I have is she wants to grab my long-handled tools because sticks are now fun :-(

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Hi Arelor,

Oh that's certainly the sign of being mistreated. They do rememeber

[...]

them, and as long as they knew what has going on by making a noise
they would'nt really care.

One of my horses had a bad experience with her previous owner
involving sticks and would sometimes freak out if she saw somebody
holding something resembling a stick (such as, say, a shovel or a pitchfork).

A sign of being *hit* with a stick.

She got past that, mostly, and now the problem I have is she wants to
grab my long-handled tools because sticks are now fun :-(

Someting clicked in her head that you'r not going to hit her with a stick.



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