hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Is anyone still using Keybase? I went through a Keybase period, then Signal and Telegram came around. It'd be nice if one secure messaging platform could work for everyone I know, but I know that having a monoculture wouldn't be the most secure way to go.

I gave it a try, but mostly to have a place I can manage my files and
MD derived knowledge base easier, but I quickly found that Keybase's unique security features built on top of block chain ain't that cool
USP to me comparing to some more convient solutions on all fronts to
have file sharing, communication and git management under one hood.

I like the idea, but keybase is way too premature for my taste to give
it a serious try.

-h1

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I liked keybase however when development stopped after it was bought by Zoom I realized that any secure platform under the control of one organization never ends well.

Currently, my preferred secure messaging platform is xmpp w/ OMEMO encryption.

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On 24 Apr 2023 at 09:50p, nristen pondered and said...

I liked keybase however when development stopped after it was bought by Zoom I realized that any secure platform under the control of one organization never ends well.

Currently, my preferred secure messaging platform is xmpp w/ OMEMO encryption.

I must check that one out, I agree it was a sad state of affairs once Zoom got them :(

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nristen wrote to hollowone <=-

Currently, my preferred secure messaging platform is xmpp w/ OMEMO encryption.

Jabber is like the IRC, it never seems to die. My web host used to offer
jabber servers, mine is grandfathered in. Glad to have it around if
needed.

I wonder how hard it would be to migrate BBS chat to xmpp? It'd be nice
to be able to federate chat services between BBSes in a standards-based
way. Synchronet can do a BBS to BBS chat, but it's proprietary (if
memory serves).



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Re: Re: keybase
By: poindexter FORTRAN to nristen on Tue Apr 25 2023 08:44 am

I wonder how hard it would be to migrate BBS chat to xmpp? It'd be nice
to be able to federate chat services between BBSes in a standards-based
way. Synchronet can do a BBS to BBS chat, but it's proprietary (if
memory serves).

Synchronet's inter-bbs messaging uses standard TCP/IP protocols, nothing proprietary about it:
http://wiki.synchro.net/module:sbbsimsg
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Jabber is like the IRC, it never seems to die. My web host used to offer jabber servers, mine is grandfathered in. Glad to have it around if needed.

I wonder how hard it would be to migrate BBS chat to xmpp? It'd be nice
to be able to federate chat services between BBSes in a standards-based way. Synchronet can do a BBS to BBS chat, but it's proprietary (if
memory serves).

How about Matrix? It seems that youngsters reinvented IRC/Jabber with this one, just added Neo approved name to it..

Still all that sounds better to me as BBS integration idea than Discord, if you want to stay pure.

-h1

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On 02 May 2023, hollowone said the following...

Jabber is like the IRC, it never seems to die. My web host used to of jabber servers, mine is grandfathered in. Glad to have it around if needed.

I wonder how hard it would be to migrate BBS chat to xmpp? It'd be ni to be able to federate chat services between BBSes in a standards-bas way. Synchronet can do a BBS to BBS chat, but it's proprietary (if memory serves).

How about Matrix? It seems that youngsters reinvented IRC/Jabber with
this one, just added Neo approved name to it..

Still all that sounds better to me as BBS integration idea than Discord, if you want to stay pure.

all of this seems silly. irc was invented specifically for the BBS. i don't know why you wouldn't use that.

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all of this seems silly. irc was invented specifically for the BBS. i

I dunno bout that. I was using IRC on the internet waaaay before I ever saw it on any BBS.

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fusion wrote to hollowone <=-

all of this seems silly. irc was invented specifically for the
BBS.

Ummmmm, no. IRC has been around longer, and really has nothing to do
with a BBS.



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hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

How about Matrix? It seems that youngsters reinvented IRC/Jabber with
this one, just added Neo approved name to it..

I have a couple of Matrix channels I follow, and I do like the status
videos, it seems the development is coming along nicely.




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On 04 May 2023, Gamgee said the following...

Ummmmm, no. IRC has been around longer, and really has nothing to do

IRC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen in August 1988 to replace a program called MUT (MultiUser Talk) on a BBS called OuluBox at the University of Oulu in Finland, where he was working at the Department of Information Processing
Science.

You thought I was just making shit up? ;)

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fusion wrote to Gamgee <=-

On 04 May 2023, Gamgee said the following...

Ummmmm, no. IRC has been around longer, and really has nothing to do

IRC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen in August 1988 to replace a
program called MUT (MultiUser Talk) on a BBS called OuluBox at
the University of Oulu in Finland, where he was working at the
Department of Information Processing Science.

Okay, on technicalities. I guess my real point was that you don't need
a BBS to use IRC.



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Re: Re: keybase
By: fusion to Gamgee on Thu May 04 2023 04:27 pm

On 04 May 2023, Gamgee said the following...

Ummmmm, no. IRC has been around longer, and really has nothing to do

IRC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen in August 1988 to replace a program called MUT (MultiUser Talk) on a BBS called OuluBox at the University of Oulu in Finland, where he was working at the Department of Information Processing Science.

You thought I was just making shit up? ;)

TIL :-)
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all of this seems silly. irc was invented specifically for the BBS. Hu> fu> i

I dunno bout that. I was using IRC on the internet waaaay before I
ever saw it on any BBS.

Same here. I have been on IRC since 1995 till approximately 2005, then FB killed most of the activity on IRCNET I used and then people forgot about maintaining their unix shells to keep their sessions on screen. but still remembered that it is not good to expose your IP openly unless you're looking for troubles.

This is sorted out on Discord, I know it can be sorted out on IRC too, yet it seems that as the technology just works, it's not a subject of the same vibe as it used to be.

I believe using the same tech, just reintroducing some client as a service with federation as an option to create could create a new old buzz around youngsters.

Otherwise yet, technically IRC is still here.. but practically gaming kids are on Discord, nerds on Matrix and normies still stay on FB, even these days, even if they're aware of its own privacy issues.

-h1

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Otherwise yet, technically IRC is still here.. but practically gaming
kids are on Discord, nerds on Matrix and normies still stay on FB, even these days, even if they're aware of its own privacy issues.

-h1

SO where can I go to chat with others about BBS's and life in general? I used to go to an irc server and join #chat. Now it's a ghost town.

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On 17 May 2023, HusTler said the following...

SO where can I go to chat with others about BBS's and life in general? I used to go to an irc server and join #chat. Now it's a ghost town.

just use irc.synchro.net #bbs. sort of a spiritual successor to SysopNet. or find a board that has MRC.. i hear that's pretty active, especially when people plan to be around at the same time

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Re: keybase
By: HusTler to hollowone on Wed May 17 2023 12:04 pm

Otherwise yet, technically IRC is still here.. but practically gaming kids are on Discord, nerds on Matrix and normies still stay on FB, even these days, even if they're aware of its own privacy issues.

-h1

SO where can I go to chat with others about BBS's and life in general? I used to go to an irc server and join #chat. Now it's a ghost town.

irc.synchro.net (#synchronet) has decent activity some times. Certainly there's a lot of lurkers.
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SO where can I go to chat with others about BBS's and life in general? I used to go to an irc server and join #chat. Now it's a ghost town.

There is nothing sarcastic in my response, honestly, the best place to talk about BBSs and life I found are the BBSes themselves.

Seriously. It's just few of us here, but who needs millions buzzing nonsense if you can find few who actually share meaningful opinions that resonate with you and trigger you to talk more. I respect this community's opinions (even if I sometimes disagree) more than most of the places online I know these days.

Point is that BBSes I use for messaging are great substitute of USENET I knew back in the 90s and early 00s. If I needed more IRC/chat formula then I haven't found ideal place. I occasionally try some IRC servers to experience ghost towns like you said. I use discord with few servers related to retro computing, data hoarding, demo scene, dungeon crawler (blobber) games and BBSes (Araknet, BBS World).

I find it fine but not ideal. BBS orientated discords are ghost towns. But perhaps this is good. if we diverted our time connecting to terminal and chatted on discord about BBSing instead... what's the point about BBSes in regards to keep the discussions on the boards.

For me BBS orientated discord servers are only to spot some nicknames I know from the boards for private messaging. Sometimes it's more convenient to realize something quicker.

To discuss life (any topic) the USENET formula on BBS FTNs good enough. I don't find it necessary to look after another platform for it.

-h1

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Re: Re: keybase
By: hollowone to HusTler on Thu May 18 2023 01:13 am

Seriously. It's just few of us here, but who needs millions buzzing nonsense if you can find few who actually share meaningful opinions that resonate with you and trigger you to talk more. I respect this community's opinions (even if I sometimes disagree) more than most of the places online I know these days.

I think this is the key. The internet naturally tends toward quantity over
quality, which is a negative for finding a community. You want a place that
can handle newcomers, and that means finding one that isn't overwhelmed by them.

Personally, BBSes have been great for that. The slow pace makes it easy to
jump in (after some lurking to get a feel for things), and the low number of users is good for getting a sense of the community.
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I think you're totally right. Lemmy is kinda learning this lesson the hard way right now, with all of the reddit refugees (including myself to be honest) flooding the entire federated system. I don't know what's gonna happen when Reddit really closes the api access.

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On 18 May 2023 at 01:13a, hollowone pondered and said...

There is nothing sarcastic in my response, honestly, the best place to talk about BBSs and life I found are the BBSes themselves.

I agree

Point is that BBSes I use for messaging are great substitute of USENET I knew back in the 90s and early 00s. If I needed more IRC/chat formula
then I haven't found ideal place. I occasionally try some IRC servers to experience ghost towns like you said. I use discord with few servers related to retro computing, data hoarding, demo scene, dungeon crawler (blobber) games and BBSes (Araknet, BBS World).

I find it fine but not ideal. BBS orientated discords are ghost towns.
But perhaps this is good. if we diverted our time connecting to terminal and chatted on discord about BBSing instead... what's the point about BBSes in regards to keep the discussions on the boards.

I also really agree :)

To discuss life (any topic) the USENET formula on BBS FTNs good enough.
I don't find it necessary to look after another platform for it.

It's like you're reading my mind :)

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SO where can I go to chat with others about BBS's and life in general? I used to go to an irc server and join #chat. Now it's a ghost town.

There are a handful of discord servers, I'm not on much, but they're out there...

For IRC, there is irc.synchro.net, not so active. There's some
straggling channels on efnet still. I mostly just hop onto LibraNet for programming channels though.


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On 16 Jun 2023, Tracker1 said the following...

For IRC, there is irc.synchro.net, not so active. There's some

the problem is it can't all be BBS 24/7 or the channel dies.

that's what always bothered me about freenode and it's kin. sure they have thousands of users but if you try to be friendly in any of the channels (off-topic.. which is a strange concept to enforce on irc) they get upset and send you to some weird channel like .. imagine #bbs-extroverts or something.

i've been in a lot of irc channels and they don't stay alive because of the channel name or what's in the topic..

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Re: Re: keybase
By: fusion to Tracker1 on Fri Jun 16 2023 04:16 pm

the problem is it can't all be BBS 24/7 or the channel dies.

that's what always bothered me about freenode and it's kin. sure they have thousands of users but if you try to be friendly in any of the channels (off-topic.. which is a strange concept to enforce on irc) they get upset and send you to some weird channel like .. imagine #bbs-extroverts or something.

I don't know what it is about IRC in particular, but it's a pretty harsh
medium.

They were already pretty niche even then, but I spent my teenage years (late 00s) in chatrooms, and even the more normal ones were misanthropic and sketchy.

I thought that was how the "real world" /was/ until I got older.
Now I realize IRC is, and probably always will be, it's own wild breed
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Re: Re:Re:keybase
By: Cavemeat to Margaerynne on Tue Jun 06 2023 07:39 pm

I think you're totally right. Lemmy is kinda learning this lesson the hard way right now, with all of the reddit refugees (including myself to be honest) flooding the entire federated system

The problem is the influx, too.

I want to find a Reddit alternative, but I don't want to share it with everyone dramatically quitting <insert your least favorite giant subreddit here> and turning it into a cesspit of low-grade political spam.

I've always tended towards smaller communities, though. But some people need a constant stream of opinionated political memes to feel... I'm not sure. Alive?
Fulfilled?
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that's what always bothered me about freenode and it's kin. sure they
have thousands of users but if you try to be friendly in any of the channels (off-topic.. which is a strange concept to enforce on irc) they get upset and send you to some weird channel like .. imagine #bbs-extroverts or something.

Yea what's up with that? Some channels have 30 or more users but nodody talking. Are they all in private?

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I want to find a Reddit alternative, but I don't want to share it with everyone dramatically quitting <insert your least favorite giant subreddit here> and turning it into a cesspit of low-grade political spam.

You could always just run Lemmy, but disconnected from the fediverse.


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Libera.chat is quite active IRC still. I have had some interesting discussions there.

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