Okay, I have the board up and running on FSXnet now! tcpser (pretending to be modems) and binkd running on a raspberry pi 4, tag 2.7 and fastecho 1.46 running on an actual (not emulated) 386. i've still got some batch file / shell script tweaking to do, but for the most part, everything is working!

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On 09 Apr 2023 at 08:48p, Thom Miller pondered and said...

Okay, I have the board up and running on FSXnet now! tcpser (pretending to be modems) and binkd running on a raspberry pi 4, tag 2.7 and
fastecho 1.46 running on an actual (not emulated) 386. i've still got
some batch file / shell script tweaking to do, but for the most part, everything is working!

Hi Thom

Well done, great that you could get it all running. There's a real sense of satisfaction when things work :)

Best, Paul

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On 09 Apr 2023, Thom Miller said the following...

@TID: FastEcho 1.46.1 UNREG

http://fido-vorkuta.narod.ru/downloads/fidosoft/fe_key.zip

Just in case you were looking for something like this...


Jay

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Hello Thom!

On 09 Apr 2023, Thom Miller said the following...

Okay, I have the board up and running on FSXnet now! tcpser (pretending to be modems) and binkd running on a raspberry pi 4, tag 2.7 and
fastecho 1.46 running on an actual (not emulated) 386. i've still got
some batch file / shell script tweaking to do, but for the most part, everything is working!

Well done! Sounds like a nice setup!

I'm using binkd and mgetty here, with a modem connected through a USB-to-serial adapter, to get dial-up connectivity as a fallback. Although the phone line is a VoIP one, so it won't work without Internet access, but it's nice anyway. :)

Best regards
Zip

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*** Quoting Zip to Thom Miller dated 04-10-23 ***

I'm using binkd and mgetty here, with a modem connected through a USB-to-serial adapter, to get dial-up connectivity as a fallback.
Although the phone line is a VoIP one, so it won't work without
Internet access, but it's nice anyway. :)

Yeah,I actually have a 16-bit 'high speed' ISA card with two 16550s that I'm using for nodes 1 & 2 through tcpser, but also a node 3 with a 56k modem hooked up to a VOIP line. That's 'experimental' at this point, though. I've tested it a bit calling out and it seems to work well enough. I wouldn't trust my relationship with Violet on it, but it's fine for light messaging. :)

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*** Quoting Warpslide to Thom Miller dated 04-10-23 ***

Just in case you were looking for something like this...

Thanks! I sent the original author an email requesting a key, since his website says they're provided on request, but if that ends up being a deadend, I'll go the slightly more nefarious route.

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On 10 Apr 2023, Thom Miller said the following...

Thanks! I sent the original author an email requesting a key, since his website says they're provided on request, but if that ends up being a deadend, I'll go the slightly more nefarious route.

Yeah, I requested one back in May of 2020, still waiting on the response from that, hence the more... nefarious route. If I ever do get a response I'll switch over to that one.


Jay

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*** Quoting Warpslide to Thom Miller dated 04-10-23 ***

Yeah, I requested one back in May of 2020, still waiting on the
response from that, hence the more... nefarious route. If I ever do
get a response I'll switch over to that one.

Are you running fastecho? If so, can I bother you if I have any questions about setting it up? I think I have it (mostly) working at this point, but there was quite a bit of "I don't know what that does or means, so I'm just going to mess with it until my stuff works...". It plays *very* nicely under DesqView, though. I tried D'Bridge first, but it was a) a bit heavy and b) very crashy under Desqview.

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On 10 Apr 2023, Thom Miller said the following...

Are you running fastecho? If so, can I bother you if I have any
questions about setting it up?

I'm not running it currently, but I was a couple of months ago when I was still using Telegard. Fire away, I will answer if I can.

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^^^^^
This message came through from 0:0/0, your previous messages looked like they came from the correct address.


Jay

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Thom Miller wrote to All <=-

Okay, I have the board up and running on FSXnet now! tcpser
(pretending to be modems) and binkd running on a raspberry pi 4, tag
2.7 and fastecho 1.46 running on an actual (not emulated) 386. i've
still got some batch file / shell script tweaking to do, but for the
most part, everything is working!

Wow. I still have my 386-40 around. I need to get it out one day and give
it a shot! Read in another post you are running Desqview. I miss those
days. I loved the 386 and loved it even more when DV was running on it.

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Fire away, I will answer if I can.

Oh, I don't have anything right now, I'm just making a mental note of who I can bother when I *do* run into an issue I can't figure out! ;)

This message came through from 0:0/0, your previous messages looked
like they came from the correct address.

I *think* this one should be better. It's an quirk of T.A.G. that some of the changes in the System Configuration impact *all* of the nodes, and some of them only impact the node you actually made the change on. I added my address to node 1 and assumed that node 2 and 3 would inherit it, but alas they did not.

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Wow. I still have my 386-40 around. I need to get it out one day and give it a shot! Read in another post you are running Desqview. I miss those days. I loved the 386 and loved it even more when DV was running on it.

Yeah, this is a 386-33. I looked into getting one of the (faster, better) AMD 40 MHz chips for it, but eBay wants more money than I'm willing to spend. I've mostly worked out the issues with DesqView and it's running pretty well. I can leave all three nodes up and mess around with stuff on the file system, use TheDraw, etc. while it's going. That includes some of the network 'processes' running in their own windows, too.

... DOS 6.0: Yesterday's operating system, today!

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|11TM|09> |10website says they're provided on request, but if that ends up being a|07
|11TM|09> |10deadend, I'll go the slightly more nefarious route.|07
Fmail is also an alternative.


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Blue White wrote to Thom Miller <=-

Thom Miller wrote to All <=-

Wow. I still have my 386-40 around. I need to get it out one day and give it a shot! Read in another post you are running Desqview. I miss those days. I loved the 386 and loved it even more when DV was running
on it.

Those AMD 386es were surprisingly fast compared to the Intel 386es. I
ran one for many years, then moved the BBS over to it when I finally
went Pentium.



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Thom Miller wrote to Blue White <=-

Yeah, this is a 386-33. I looked into getting one of the (faster,
better) AMD 40 MHz chips for it, but eBay wants more money than I'm willing to spend.

I didn't think they were compatible - the 386 was a PGA chip and the
AMD was a surface-mount chip.



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I didn't think they were compatible - the 386 was a PGA chip and the
AMD was a surface-mount chip.

Nope. They made pin-compatible PGA chips in addition to the surface-mount chips. I think they might be 'better known' for the surface mount chips, because I think the market was kind of flooded with sort of 'all-in-one' boards towards the end of the 386-era.

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Re: Re: Up and running!
By: Thom Miller to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 11 2023 03:21 pm

Nope. They made pin-compatible PGA chips in addition to the surface-mount chips. I think they might be 'better known' for the surface mount chips, because I think the market was kind of flooded with sort of 'all-in-one' boards towards the end of the 386-era.

I didn't know that! My motherboard was a cheap one with one of the surface-mount CPUs and no co-processor socket. I was doing a lot of coding back then, if I could have put a coprocessor on it it would have lasted a lot longer.
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|11TM|09> |10better) AMD |07
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For sanity it might be better to go 486


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Thom Miller wrote to Blue White <=-

Yeah, this is a 386-33. I looked into getting one of the (faster,
better) AMD 40 MHz chips for it, but eBay wants more money than I'm willing to spend. I've mostly worked out the issues with DesqView and
it's running pretty well. I can leave all three nodes up and mess
around with stuff on the file system, use TheDraw, etc. while it's
going. That includes some of the network 'processes' running in their
own windows, too.

What kind of networking are you running with DV? I tried some back in the
day but most of them would not work and play well with QEMM and DV.



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Thom Miller <=-

Nope. They made pin-compatible PGA chips in addition to the surface-mount chips. I think they might be 'better known' for the surface mount chips, because I think the market was kind of flooded with sort of 'all-in-one' boards towards the end of the 386-era.

I didn't know that! My motherboard was a cheap one with one of the surface-mount CPUs and no co-processor socket. I was doing a lot of
coding back then, if I could have put a coprocessor on it it would have lasted a lot longer. --- SBBSecho 3.20-Win32

I don't remember if the CPU was surface or not, but the mo-board had a slot
for a coprocessor. I never installed one, though.


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*** Quoting Blue White to Thom Miller dated 04-12-23 ***

What kind of networking are you running with DV? I tried some back in
day but most of them would not work and play well with QEMM and DV.

I'm using mTCP, which is a small, compact TCP/IP stack that Michael Brutman wrote for his PCJr (and pretty much any other x86 computer running dos with access to a network card with a packet driver).

There's an old DOS utility called pktmux that allows you to load the primary packet driver in your DOS config.sys and then share it among DOS instances created by DesqView.

I'm using the netcat utility almost exclusively, but it also comes with a telnet client, a ftp client, an irc client, a ftp server, and a http server in addition to netcat.

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Re: Re: Up and running!
By: Blue White to Thom Miller on Wed Apr 12 2023 06:13 pm

What kind of networking are you running with DV? I tried some back in the day but most of them would not work and play well with QEMM and DV.

LANtastic played well with it. I ran both for some time, then migrated to OS/2 and ran LANTastic for DOS in an MS-DOS 5.0 VDM.

...Am I any closer to finding what I'm looking for?
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Re: Re: Up and running!
By: Thom Miller to Blue White on Wed Apr 12 2023 09:38 pm

I'm using the netcat utility almost exclusively, but it also comes with a telnet client, a ftp client, an irc client, a ftp server, and a http server in addition to netcat.

I'm tempted to get an old DOS box and see if I can go 30 days with it as my daily driver. Shell into my webhost for mail, and go old-school.

...Change specifics to ambiguities
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I'm tempted to get an old DOS box and see if I can go 30 days with it
as my daily driver. Shell into my webhost for mail, and go old-school.

I find DOS to still be a highly usable operating system. Even when given
modest multitasking capabilities under DV, it's still a lot easier for me to stay focused on a fullscreen application than to be looking at something surrounded by a dozen other distractions.

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I find DOS to still be a highly usable operating system. Even when given modest multitasking capabilities under DV, it's still a lot easier for
me to stay focused on a fullscreen application than to be looking at something surrounded by a dozen other distractions.

Yeah, this is true, for the same reason utilizing Amiga software for general home-computing focused productivity is fine too.

Windows sucks at good software that promotes full screen and staying focused on one window. MacOS though is perfectly fine addressing this issue in a modern way. One of the reasons why I only have one Windows Machine, launched occasionally if I want to play some Windows games, but I don't miss Windows experience since I switched away from it around Win7 era

-h1

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focused on one window. MacOS though is perfectly fine addressing this
issue in a modern way. One of the reasons why I only have one Windows

Hehehe. I wish that were true for me. My main development machine is a M2
mac. There are definitely plenty of distractions to be found if I'm not careful. :D

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