• ftn via nntp

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Mon Mar 28 19:43:00 2022
    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Monday 28.03.22 - 16:24, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

    "August Abolins" <august.abolins@2:221/1.58> wrote:

    Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
    outreach.

    I'd like to provide an nntp newsfeed for my users, but I'm not sure how
    to do it, other than importing every single nntp group into synchronet
    and I don't think that's really feasible.

    I connect to your system with nntp to fetch a few fidonet
    echos. That's what I meant. The nntp method is practically a
    no-brainer for new initiates into the art of converstion in FTN
    echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!


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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Mon Mar 28 23:37:57 2022
    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 19:43:00 -0400
    "August Abolins" <august.abolins@2:221/1.58> wrote:

    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Monday 28.03.22 - 16:24, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

    "August Abolins" <august.abolins@2:221/1.58> wrote:

    Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
    outreach.

    I'd like to provide an nntp newsfeed for my users, but I'm not
    sure how to do it, other than importing every single nntp group
    into synchronet and I don't think that's really feasible.

    I connect to your system with nntp to fetch a few fidonet
    echos. That's what I meant. The nntp method is practically a
    no-brainer for new initiates into the art of converstion in FTN
    echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free usenet
    clients for Windows. FreeAgent used to be the goto but even that's no
    longer free. Some of the others just plain suck.

    That said, I've been using Claws and quite like it.
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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Nigel Reed on Tue Mar 29 16:33:22 2022
    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
    usenet clients for Windows.

    Did you try Thunderbird?


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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Tue Mar 29 11:30:01 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:33:22 +0200
    "Carlos Navarro" <carlos.navarro@2:341/234.12> wrote:

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
    usenet clients for Windows.

    Did you try Thunderbird?

    Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nigel Reed on Tue Mar 29 21:35:22 2022
    Hi Nigel,

    On 2022-03-29 11:30:01, you wrote to All:

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
    usenet clients for Windows.

    Did you try Thunderbird?

    Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To: field. All your replies are to "All"...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Tue Mar 29 15:54:02 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:35:22 +0200
    "Wilfred van Velzen" <wilfred.van.velzen@2:280/464> wrote:

    Hi Nigel,

    On 2022-03-29 11:30:01, you wrote to All:

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
    free usenet clients for Windows.

    Did you try Thunderbird?

    Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
    field. All your replies are to "All"...

    May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
    look into it.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nigel Reed on Tue Mar 29 22:58:30 2022
    Hi Nigel,

    On 2022-03-29 15:54:02, you wrote to All:

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
    free usenet clients for Windows.

    Did you try Thunderbird?

    Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
    field. All your replies are to "All"...

    May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
    look into it.

    I don't know, but you see some jamnntp users, that have the To: field filled in when they reply...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Tue Mar 29 18:23:00 2022
    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Tuesday 29.03.22 - 15:54, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

    Did you try Thunderbird?

    Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
    field. All your replies are to "All"...

    May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
    look into it.

    It's only a feature in JamNNTP.
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Nigel Reed on Wed Mar 30 14:27:56 2022
    On 30/03/2022 07:54, Nigel Reed : All wrote:

    ; Did you try Thunderbird?

     NR>>> Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
    field. All your replies are to "All"...

    May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that?

    It does

    I'll look into it.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to August Abolins on Wed Mar 30 14:30:02 2022
    On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

    ; Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
    ; field. All your replies are to "All"...

     NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
     NR>> look into it.

    It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

    Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Nigel Reed on Wed Mar 30 09:21:33 2022
    Hello Nigel,

    Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
    outreach.

    I'd like to provide an nntp newsfeed for my users, but I'm not
    sure how to do it, other than importing every single nntp group
    into synchronet and I don't think that's really feasible.

    I connect to your system with nntp to fetch a few fidonet
    echos. That's what I meant. The nntp method is practically a
    no-brainer for new initiates into the art of converstion in FTN
    echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free usenet clients for Windows. FreeAgent used to be the goto but even that's no longer free. Some of the others just plain suck.

    MesNews is free. And miles better than FreeAgent.

    That said, I've been using Claws and quite like it.

    Lack of awareness is more the problem, not lack of easy to obtain
    free usenet clients for Windows.

    --Lee

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  • From Fernando Toledo@4:902/26 to Nigel Reed on Wed Mar 30 19:54:34 2022
    El 29/3/22 a las 17:54, Nigel Reed escribió:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:35:22 +0200
    "Wilfred van Velzen" <wilfred.van.velzen@2:280/464> wrote:

    Hi Nigel,

    On 2022-03-29 11:30:01, you wrote to All:

    >> NR> Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
    >> NR> free usenet clients for Windows.
    >>
    >> Did you try Thunderbird?

    NR> Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
    field. All your replies are to "All"...

    May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
    look into it.

    I already use thunderbird for read my networks ftn/qwk over sbbs nntp
    service
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  • From Fernando Toledo@4:902/26 to david.drummond on Wed Mar 30 19:56:20 2022
    El 30/3/22 a las 11:30, David Drummond escribió:
    On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

     >>> Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
     >>> field. All your replies are to "All"...

     NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
     NR>> look into it.

    AA> It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

    Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying in newsgroups in Thunderbird.


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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Wed Mar 30 23:58:54 2022
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:56:20 -0300
    "Fernando Toledo" <fernando.toledo@4:902/26> wrote:
    El 30/3/22 a las 11:30, David Drummond escribió:
    On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

     >>> Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in
    the To: >>> field. All your replies are to "All"...

     NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do
    that? I'll NR>> look into it.

    AA> It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

    Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying
    in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

    thunderbird has the To field at nntp reply if you use "reply to all"
    feature
    Does it not then both send a post via nntp and an email via smtp?
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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Someone Else on Thu Mar 31 15:12:03 2022
    Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

    If you use JAMNNTPd there is a way. Like this...



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  • From Fernando Toledo@4:902/26 to Nigel Reed on Thu Mar 31 11:54:01 2022
    El 31/3/22 a las 01:58, Nigel Reed escribió:
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:56:20 -0300
    "Fernando Toledo" <fernando.toledo@4:902/26> wrote:
    El 30/3/22 a las 11:30, David Drummond escribió:
    On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

     >>> Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in
    the To: >>> field. All your replies are to "All"...

     NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do
    that? I'll NR>> look into it.

    AA> It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

    Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying
    in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

    thunderbird has the To field at nntp reply if you use "reply to all"
    feature
    Does it not then both send a post via nntp and an email via smtp?

    Yes and sbbs smtp service resolve the ftn address and sent it as netmail
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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to Nigel Reed on Thu Mar 31 17:19:14 2022
    29 Mar 2022 11:30, you wrote to All:

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
    usenet clients for Windows.

    Did you try Thunderbird?

    Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Are you using the Windows port?

    Carlos

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to August Abolins on Thu Mar 31 17:28:46 2022
    28 Mar 2022 19:43, you wrote to Nigel Reed:

    The nntp method is practically a no-brainer for new initiates into the
    art of converstion in FTN echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

    It's been advertised in the FidoNews for 10 years now.

    Carlos

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Thu Mar 31 12:26:58 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:54:01 -0300
    "Fernando Toledo" <fernando.toledo@4:902/26> wrote:


    Yes and sbbs smtp service resolve the ftn address and sent it as
    netmail --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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    Why would I want to send it via netmail?
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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Thu Mar 31 12:28:23 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:12:03 +0100
    "Bj_rn Felten" <bj_rn.felten@2:203/2> wrote:

    From: "Bj_rn Felten" <bj_rn.felten@2:203/2>
    To: Someone Else
    Subject: ftn via nntp
    Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:12:03 +0100
    Newsgroups: Fidonet.FN_SYSOP

    Sending to "Someone Else" doesn't really address the issue that Wilfred
    brought up in that it doesn't address it to the person you're
    responding to.
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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Thu Mar 31 12:28:41 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:19:14 +0200
    "Carlos Navarro" <carlos.navarro@2:341/234> wrote:

    29 Mar 2022 11:30, you wrote to All:

    Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
    free usenet clients for Windows.

    Did you try Thunderbird?

    Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

    Are you using the Windows port?

    No.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Nigel Reed on Thu Mar 31 20:20:52 2022
    Sending to "Someone Else" doesn't really address the issue that Wilfred brought up in that it doesn't address it to the person you're
    responding to.

    ???

    Who do you want me to address it to, then?




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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to August & Nigel on Thu Mar 31 21:01:15 2022
    May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
    look into it.

    It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

    Exactly. 8-)





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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Apr 18 13:05:00 2022
    Hello Carlos Navarro!

    ** On Thursday 31.03.22 - 17:28, you wrote to me:

    The nntp method is practically a no-brainer for new
    initiates into the art of converstion in FTN echoes. It
    is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

    It's been advertised in the FidoNews for 10 years now.

    True enough. But how does the message get out to people who
    don't know where find out about it? ;)

    Furthermore, the part in Fidonews doesn't really "sell" the
    solution. There is no description of the differences between
    traditional nntp vs JamNNTP. The former (with all messages
    posting to ALL) is worse than what most traditional forums
    offer (that is, sending messages when there is a post addressed
    to a specific person). The latter, is much better in that
    messages appear personalized; that can be a salient feature to
    the participant.


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