• Freedom of information.

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Fri Jan 7 06:27:44 2022
    Since there seems to be some severe confusion about what [Subj:] really means, may I suggest reading about it on Wikipedia, that has a fairly good explanation, even in the English version. I starts like this:

    "Freedom of information is freedom of a person or people to publish and consume information. Access to information is the ability for an individual to seek, receive and impart information effectively. "

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information

    It was no coincident that the Wikipedia site was originally located in Sweden for many years. Our constitution prevented even foreign countries from trying to censure it.

    It took a DDoS attack (from a certain western country, not very concerned about shit like FOI) to take the server down, so that Wikipedia had to temporarily move to another server. Unfortunately they choose Amazon, not protected by the Swedish constitution, so Wikipedia soon were back in Sweden again.

    Here in Sweden we value our constitutional freedoms, we will never budge to international bullies, trying to stifle our FOI. Freedom *wants* to be free.

    We would for instance never even dream of banning certain schoolbooks just because they are not politically correct -- as long as they are scientifically correct. We don't take orders from extremists like Christian Evangelists or other white supremacists. We teach our children the truth, even that about the history of slavery...



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri Jan 7 06:43:32 2022
    It was no coincident that the Wikipedia site was originally located
    in Sweden for many years. Our constitution prevented even foreign countries from trying to censure it.

    Ahem, that would be Wikileaks of course.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri Jan 7 06:44:17 2022
    so Wikipedia soon were back in Sweden again.

    ... and Wikileaks here too ..



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bjrn Felten on Sun Jan 9 15:01:07 2022
    On 7/01/2022 15:27, Björn Felten : All wrote:

    We teach our children the truth, even that about the history of slavery...

    What do you teach them is the decimal value of Pi/π?

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Sun Jan 9 11:42:19 2022
    What do you teach them is the decimal value of Pi/π?

    We tell them to use a calculator program. Open source.

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/TURBO/CALCPI.ZIP




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun Jan 9 16:48:27 2022
    Hello Björn,

    Since there seems to be some severe confusion about what [Subj:] really means, may I suggest reading about it on Wikipedia, that has a fairly good explanation, even in the English version. I starts like this:

    "Freedom of information is freedom of a person or people to publish and consume information. Access to information is the ability for an individual
    to seek, receive and impart information effectively. "

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information


    The Man in Black told it so much better. And to a much wider audience.

    It was no coincident that the Wikipedia site was originally located in Sweden for many years. Our constitution prevented even foreign countries from trying to censure it.

    Nobody could censor the Man in Black.

    It took a DDoS attack (from a certain western country, not very concerned about shit like FOI) to take the server down, so that Wikipedia had to temporarily move to another server. Unfortunately they choose Amazon, not protected by the Swedish constitution, so Wikipedia soon were back in Sweden again.

    Nobody could take down the Man in Black.

    Here in Sweden we value our constitutional freedoms, we will never budge
    to international bullies, trying to stifle our FOI. Freedom *wants* to be free.

    There is freedom to, and freedom from. The Man in Black had both.

    We would for instance never even dream of banning certain schoolbooks just because they are not politically correct -- as long as they are scientifically correct. We don't take orders from extremists like Christian
    Evangelists or other white supremacists.

    The Man in Black made sure never to wear anything White.

    We teach our children the truth, even that about the history of slavery...

    What Is Truth

    The old man turned off the radio
    Said, "Where did all of the old songs go
    Kids sure play funny music these days
    They play it in the strangest ways"
    Said, "it looks to me like they've all gone wild
    It was peaceful back when I was a child"
    Well, man, could it be that the girls and boys
    Are trying to be heard above your noise?
    And the lonely voice of youth cries "What is truth?"

    A little boy of three sittin' on the floor
    Looks up and says, "Daddy, what is war?"
    "Son, that's when people fight and die"
    The little boy of three says "Daddy, why?"
    A young man of seventeen in Sunday school
    Being taught the golden rule
    And by the time another year has gone around
    It may be his turn to lay his life down
    Can you blame the voice of youth for asking
    "What is truth?"

    A young man sittin' on the witness stand
    The man with the book says "Raise your hand"
    "Repeat after me, I solemnly swear"
    The man looked down at his long hair
    And although the young man solemnly swore
    Nobody seems to hear anymore
    And it didn't really matter if the truth was there
    It was the cut of his clothes and the length of his hair
    And the lonely voice of youth cries
    "What is truth?"

    The young girl dancing to the latest beat
    Has found new ways to move her feet
    The young man speaking in the city square
    Is trying to tell somebody that he cares
    Yeah, the ones that you're calling wild
    Are going to be the leaders in a little while
    This old world's wakin' to a new born day
    And I solemnly swear that it'll be their way
    You better help the voice of youth find
    "What is truth?"

    And the lonely voice of youth cries "What is truth?"

    Source: Musixmatch

    Songwriters: John R. Cash

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BJORN FELTEN on Sun Jan 9 11:30:00 2022
    We teach our children the truth, even that about the history of slavery...

    Do you also teach them about Sweden's "neutrality" in WWII, which was
    really friendly towards German requests (until it became obvious that the Germans would not win) much to the detriment of your fellow Scandinavians?


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Sun Jan 9 18:27:34 2022
    We teach our children the truth, even that about the history of
    slavery...

    Do you also teach them about Sweden's "neutrality" in WWII

    What part of my statement didn't you understand?



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Sun Jan 9 18:44:26 2022
    which was really friendly towards German requests

    Speaking of WWII and being friendly, do *you* teach your children about the Voyage of the Damned or do they have to read about it on Wikipedia?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

    Maybe they also should know about how IBM helped Germany with their holocaust, and how much money they made on it?



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Sun Jan 9 20:49:59 2022
    Speaking of WWII and being friendly, do *you* teach your children
    about the Voyage of the Damned or do they have to read about it on Wikipedia?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

    Good thing there was England, France, the Netherlands and Belgium to catch them ... many pasengers eventually perished anyway in the Holocaust. My parents remembered it and went to look when the ship pulled into Antwerp.

    Maybe they also should know about how IBM helped Germany with their holocaust, and how much money they made on it?

    ... and do not forget IBM-teams immediately following behind the fighting troops to recapture IBM-assets ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

    A book worthy to be read ...

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BJöRN FELTEN on Sun Jan 9 16:31:00 2022
    We teach our children the truth, even that about the history of
    slavery...

    Do you also teach them about Sweden's "neutrality" in WWII

    What part of my statement didn't you understand?

    I was not mentioned so I did not assume it. Seeing as how you were
    throwing something up that happened over 160 years ago, I thought I might
    as well bring something up that happened only half as long ago and that
    would be much more relevant to Swedes who want their kids to learn about
    their own history.

    We also learned about slavery in the US in school. If they are not
    learning about it today, my guess would be it is because the kids are
    spending too much time learning something irrelevant that some soft-headed "educator" thought was important more than it is any part of some conspiracy
    to hide it.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Sun Jan 9 16:02:00 2022
    Björn Felten wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    We teach our children the truth, even that about the history of
    slavery...

    Do you also teach them about Sweden's "neutrality" in WWII

    What part of my statement didn't you understand?

    A typical Bjorn response, where he snips out relevant context,
    doesn't answer the question that was asked, and then attempts to
    divert attention with a stupid question of his own.

    What a laughable, pathetic buffoon.


    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bjrn Felten on Mon Jan 10 08:01:16 2022
    On 9/01/2022 20:42, Björn Felten : David Drummond wrote:
     DD>> What do you teach them is the decimal value of Pi/π?

       We tell them to use a calculator program. Open source.

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/TURBO/CALCPI.ZIP

    Hopefully that doesn't resolve to exactly 3.0 as some pollie was advocating in good ole USA a while back.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Dan Clough on Sun Jan 9 17:15:55 2022
    A typical Bjorn response, where he snips out relevant context,
    doesn't answer the question that was asked, and then attempts to
    divert attention with a stupid question of his own.

    What a laughable, pathetic buffoon.


    As opposed to someone who doesn't even mention the original content?

    "How can you remove the splinter from your neighbour's eye, when you have a
    log in your own?" -The Bible (can't remember the exact chapter and verse)

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Shaun Buzza on Mon Jan 10 00:03:05 2022
    "How can you remove the splinter from your neighbour's eye, when you have a
    log in your own?" -The Bible (can't remember the exact chapter and verse)

    The same story is mentioned in several places, most commonly quoted is from Matthew 7 and Luke 6 (variants depending on new translations are speck vs. beam).

    Another good one, for those living in a country where Evangelical fanatics are ruling, is from John 8:7

    "He that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone at her."

    IOW, don't throw stones in a glasshouse.

    But you must be aware of the new rule here, as decided by The Peanut Gallery: "Only TPG-approved comments are allowed."



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 10 00:07:46 2022
    .. and do not forget IBM-teams immediately following behind the fighting troops to recapture IBM-assets ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

    A win-win situation for sure. First sell obscenely expensive equipment, then rush to reclaim said equipment as spoils of war.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Shaun Buzza on Mon Jan 10 00:12:20 2022
    As opposed to someone who doesn't even mention the original content?

    "How can you remove the splinter from your neighbour's eye, when you have
    a
    log in your own?" -The Bible (can't remember the exact chapter and verse)

    There is some weird shit in the Bible ... remember that if you want to quote from it ...

    Deuteronomy 23:1

    No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ
    is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

    Genesis 38:8-10

    Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife,
    and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and
    raise up offspring for your brother."

    Deuteronomy 25:11-12

    If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling
    together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver
    her husband from the hand of the one who is striking
    him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals,
    then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

    Hey ... I'm not inventing this ...

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Mon Jan 10 00:15:01 2022
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

    A win-win situation for sure. First sell obscenely expensive
    equipment, then rush to reclaim said equipment as spoils of war.

    The book is in my private library ... truly shocking, and not challenged by IBM.

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Bjrn Felten on Sun Jan 9 23:49:52 2022
    Hello Bjrn!

    Monday January 10 2022 00:03, you wrote to Shaun Buzza:

    "How can you remove the splinter from your neighbour's eye, when
    you have a log in your own?" -The Bible (can't remember the exact
    chapter and verse)

    The same story is mentioned in several places, most commonly quoted
    is from Matthew 7 and Luke 6 (variants depending on new translations
    are speck vs. beam).

    Another good one, for those living in a country where Evangelical fanatics are ruling, is from John 8:7

    "He that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone at her."

    I thought the exact translation was: He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone. I.e., without reference to a person.

    Could be wrong I am Jewish so might be reading a different translation although
    the original book is over 5,000 years old the translation to English is only around 200.


    Vincent

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Vincent Coen on Mon Jan 10 03:07:23 2022
    I thought the exact translation was: He that is without sin among you,
    let him cast the first stone. I.e., without reference to a person.

    Could be wrong I am Jewish so might be reading a different translation although

    Well, according to King James Bible you are. The 'her' Jesus refers to was an alleged adulteress that was set to be stoned. Without the 'her' it would be difficult to understand why there was talk about casting stones in the first place. Even in a Jewish translation (The New Testament?).

    The only error I made was I forgot 'the first' and wrote 'a' instead. I think that may have come from another translation.

    http://eljaco.se/Bible/B43C008.htm







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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sun Jan 9 21:21:31 2022
    I thought the exact translation was: He that is without sin among you let him cast the first stone. I.e., without reference to a person

    Could be wrong I am Jewish so might be reading a different translatio although

    Well, according to King James Bible you are. The 'her' Jesus refers
    to was an alleged adulteress that was set to be stoned. Without the
    'her' it would be difficult to understand why there was talk about
    casting stones in the first place. Even in a Jewish translation (The New Testament?).

    The only error I made was I forgot 'the first' and wrote 'a' instead.
    I think that may have come from another translation.

    http://eljaco.se/Bible/B43C008.htm


    Excuse me. I am just entering this conversation. But I have objections, nonetheless!

    The quote I remember, no matter who was king, is 'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone!'

    How is that lesson not understood?

    It's not about adultery! It's about remembering, yet again, that nobody is perfect! None of us are angels, yet!

    I am still surprised by how stupid some humans can be...

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Shaun Buzza on Mon Jan 10 03:33:43 2022
    Shqun,

    It's not about adultery! It's about remembering, yet again, that nobody
    is perfect! None of us are angels, yet!

    For that to make sense, you have to believe there are angels ... So, seen any lately?

    BTW, you are wrong, my granddaughter is perfect ...

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Ward Dossche on Sun Jan 9 22:06:12 2022
    For that to make sense, you have to believe there are angels ... So,
    seen any lately?


    Have you?

    BTW, you are wrong, my granddaughter is perfect ...

    And you still don't believe in angels? (o_O)

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Shaun Buzza on Mon Jan 10 04:22:59 2022
    http://eljaco.se/Bible/B43C008.htm

    Excuse me. I am just entering this conversation. But I have objections, nonetheless!

    The quote I remember, no matter who was king, is 'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone!'

    The exact quote can be read if you follow the link I gave above (verse 7). That's all I wanted to say.

    How you interpret it and how you apply it to our modern society is entirely up to you.

    And no, King James wasn't alive by the time this is supposed to have happened -- he was king when this specific Bible translation was written.


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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Björn Felten on Sun Jan 9 22:37:12 2022
    The exact quote can be read if you follow the link I gave above
    (verse 7). That's all I wanted to say.

    Thank you. I can quote the Good Book, even if I can't remember the exact
    verse. But I appreciate the reminder!

    How you interpret it and how you apply it to our modern society is entirely up to you.

    Do you really think today is so different from His day? The lessons are the same, no matter what year it is!

    The quote I remember, no matter who was king, is 'Let he who is witho sin, cast the first stone!'

    And no, King James wasn't alive by the time this is supposed to have happened -- he was king when this specific Bible translation was written.


    I never mentioned any king by name, just so we're clear! (o_-)

    We both know that His word has been translated by man, and then retranslated
    by another man...Does that mean that His lessons are wrong?

    I don't believe so. But, I'm just another man...

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