Can someone tell me what mailer would work good with Fmail? Back in the modem days I use to use Frontdoor but that is no longer going to work so I need to find something new to do this task.


Thanks
Jay
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Hi Jay,

On 2017-09-18 14:54:18, you wrote to All:

Can someone tell me what mailer would work good with Fmail? Back in
the modem days I use to use Frontdoor but that is no longer going to
work so I need to find something new to do this task.

I'll quote from the doc: ;)

"Supported mailers are FrontDoor, InterMail, D'Bridge, Binkley, Portal of Power, MainDoor and Xenia. If your mailer is compatible with any of these, it can be used too."

And Binkd is what is compatible with Binkley, and that is what most (and me too) use these days...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Jay,

On Monday September 18 2017 14:54, you wrote to All:

Can someone tell me what mailer would work good with Fmail? Back in
the modem days I use to use Frontdoor but that is no longer going to
work so I need to find something new to do this task.

Fmail works very well with binkd.

https://sites.google.com/site/vasilyevmax/fido


Cheers, Michiel

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On 09/18/17, Jay Allshire said the following...

Can someone tell me what mailer would work good with Fmail? Back in the modem days I use to use Frontdoor but that is no longer going to work so
I need to find something new to do this task.

Well, there may not be a need to use a mailer, peoplehave been using other methods such as binkp to send their mail around. There is an other way... InterNET REX, I like this one... becaue it has a FD-Like setup and will actually work with FD. BTW, JoHo is back and is working on Frontdoor...
things may be changing with that...

Binkley Term is also a mailer that may work for you, the binkp program works like binkley term..

If I recall... fmail will work with either 2 programs... binkp or internet
rex.

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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On 09/18/17, Jay Allshire said the following...

Can someone tell me what mailer would work good with Fmail? Back in the modem days I use to use Frontdoor but that is no longer going to work so
I need to find something new to do this task.

When I wrote you I said binkp, I ment to say binkd... binkp is the protocol binkd uses.... me thinks its that way...

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Re: Re: Mailer
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Jay Allshire on Mon Sep 18 2017 09:14 pm

And Binkd is what is compatible with Binkley, and that is what most (and me too) use these days...

Would Taurus work with it ok? I need a different mailer to use cause I am already running BINKD on this machine for my main bbs and TAG is going to be run on this machine as a secondary bbs and I figure two copies of BINKD running on that same machine is not going to work.


Thanks
Jay
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Hi! Jay,

In a message to Wilfred Van Velzen you wrote:

Would Taurus work with it ok?

It ought to but that's a lot of trouble to go to just to do binkP mail & file transfers. (I use Radius on -this- node, which is what Taurus was derived from.) Is there something else that you want to do with it? Telnet? POTS? FTP? Which are just a few options with Taurus.

I need a different mailer to use cause I am already running
BINKD on this machine for my main bbs and TAG is going to be
run on this machine as a secondary bbs and I figure two
copies of BINKD running on that same machine is not going to
work.

Why not? You're using Windows, aren't you. You could run a second copy of the
same binkD executable with a different configuration file in another sub-dirctory, for the second BBS's inbound & outbound.

This was a *free* consultation. Follow-ups could be expensive. ;-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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to be run on this machine as a secondary bbs and I figure two copies of BINKD running on that same machine is not going to work.

It'll work fine... just make sure they are listening to 2 different ports..
ie let one listen to 24554 and the other on... lets say 24555 ... problem solved
:)

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Hi IB,

On 18 Sep 17 14:03, IB JOE wrote to Jay Allshire:
about: "Re: Mailer":

Can someone tell me what mailer would work good with Fmail? Back in
the modem days I use to use Frontdoor but that is no longer going to
work so I need to find something new to do this task.

Well, there may not be a need to use a mailer, peoplehave been using
other methods such as binkp to send their mail around. There is an
other way... InterNET REX, I like this one... becaue it has a FD-Like setup and will actually work with FD. BTW, JoHo is back and is
working on Frontdoor... things may be changing with that...

Binkd is also what people regard as a mailer! ;)

Wilfred.

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Hi Jay,

On 18 Sep 17 20:29, Jay Allshire wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Re: Mailer":

And Binkd is what is compatible with Binkley, and that is what most
(and me too) use these days...

Would Taurus work with it ok?

I don't know... But if it's compatible with one of the mentioned mailers it should.

I need a different mailer to use cause I am already running BINKD on
this machine for my main bbs and TAG is going to be run on this
machine as a secondary bbs and I figure two copies of BINKD running on that same machine is not going to work.

I think there are people that do this. But you need two separate configuration files, and use a different port on the second. (But that is true if you run Taurus as second mailer too)

Wilfred.

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On 09/19/17, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

Binkd is also what people regard as a mailer! ;)

After sending the message I realized that I was saying binkp and not binkd.

BTW, are you mildly excited about the prospects JoHo working on Frontdoor...

Just wondering...

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Hi IB,

On 2017-09-19 07:02:45, you wrote to me:

BTW, are you mildly excited about the prospects JoHo working on Frontdoor...

Just wondering...

If it means more FMail users, sure! ;)

But I don't use Frontdoor myself nor do I intend to in the future. So from that
perspective, I don't care too much...

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 09/19/17, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

BTW, are you mildly excited about the prospects JoHo working on Frontdoor...

Just wondering...

If it means more FMail users, sure! ;)

But I don't use Frontdoor myself nor do I intend to in the future. So
from that perspective, I don't care too much...

Cool, anyway... I'm glad you are around supporting fmail. There are only a
few of you guys out there.

It'll be interesting to see how it addresses todays modes of transfers and as well if he can add to it.

Thanx

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Hi IB,

On 2017-09-19 08:02:45, you wrote to me:

It'll be interesting to see how it addresses todays modes of transfers
and as well if he can add to it.

What is there to add? Binkp is perfect! ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: Mailer
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Jay Allshire on Tue Sep 19 2017 08:45 am

Hi Wilfred.

I think there are people that do this. But you need two separate configuration files, and use a different port on the second. (But that is true if you run Taurus as second mailer too)

Well since I am using BINKD for my mailer for my main system and it is working good I think I may just go with that for this second bbs also. That way it will all be the same and I will not have to bounce back and forth with mailers and try to remember all the stuff for both. I just changed to BINKD for my main system a couple of months ago and I am finally getting the hang of how it works and I have alot less problems now that I have made the switch to it.


I am in the process of getting T.A.G up and running and that is what I wanted Fmail for as it is what I used when I ran T.A.G. way back when I ran it beofre there was internet. So thanks for all your help so far I do appreciate it very much.

Take care
Jay
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Hi Jay,

On 2017-09-19 10:36:08, you wrote to me:

I think there are people that do this. But you need two separate
configuration files, and use a different port on the second. (But
that is true if you run Taurus as second mailer too)

Well since I am using BINKD for my mailer for my main system and it is working good I think I may just go with that for this second bbs also.

That

way it will all be the same and I will not have to bounce back and forth with mailers and try to remember all the stuff for both. I just changed to BINKD for my main system a couple of months ago and I am finally getting the hang of how it works and I have alot less problems now that I have

made

the switch to it.

I think that's the smart choice! ;)

I am in the process of getting T.A.G up and running and that is what I wanted Fmail for as it is what I used when I ran T.A.G. way back when I

ran

it beofre there was internet. So thanks for all your help so far I do appreciate it very much.

I don't know what T.A.G. is... ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 09/19/17, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

It'll be interesting to see how it addresses todays modes of transfer and as well if he can add to it.

What is there to add? Binkp is perfect! ;)

I have never liked it, though I use it, never liked it. I'm hoping to that there be a native linux & Windows version. I'd like dialup access and mailer
to mailer communication... like you can with with OS2 and the use of SIO/VModem.

Anyway, because when I arrived on to the scene years ago FD was the mailer I used. Anyway, fmail is better off today because of your developement into
it. It is my hope that FD goes to a place where it needs to beto advance
this technology.

Long Live Frontdoor and hale JoHo

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Re: Re: Mailer
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Jay Allshire on Tue Sep 19 2017 04:51 pm

I don't know what T.A.G. is... ;)

T.A.G. is a really old BBS software from way back in the early days before there was internet and people used modems to connect.


Jay
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Hi IB,

On 2017-09-19 08:54:07, you wrote to me:

What is there to add? Binkp is perfect! ;)

I have never liked it, though I use it, never liked it.

Why not? It works great.

Anyway, because when I arrived on to the scene years ago FD was the
mailer I used.

I used it too, when I still had a modem connected to my bbs machine. But that was decades ago. ;)

Anyway, fmail is better off today because of your developement into
it. It is my hope that FD goes to a place where it needs to beto
advance this technology.

We'll see...

Long Live Frontdoor and hale JoHo

Starting a cult, are you? Let me tell you a secret: He's not the messias! ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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I have never liked it, though I use it, never liked it.

Why not? It works great.

Just don't... I guess I just don't like change... :) I use internet rex because it ties in well with what I know. File attached mailer is what I
know and like. I know Internet Rex is using binkp to send mail... I just
liked the fact Icould you the mail tosser of my choice, Fastecho or fmail.
and read mesages after they are tossed with FM.

Long Live Frontdoor and hale JoHo

Starting a cult, are you? Let me tell you a secret: He's not the
messias! ;)

No cult, it can be argued that he was a founding father though. We do owe a lot to his efforts to where we are today. Not saying we wouldn't have made
it this far, just being thankful for what he's done... Like I do with your efforts with fmail...

Long live fmail and hale Wilfred...

Thanx

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Hi! Joe,

On 09/20/2017 06:44 AM, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Long live fmail and hale Wilfred...

I feel the same way too, Joe. But, please, the word is _hail_. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hail is a form of solid precipitation. It is distinct from ice pellets (American sleet), though the two are often confused.[1] It consists of balls
or irregular lumps of ice, each of which is called a hailstone. Ice pellets (American sleet) falls generally in cold weather while hail growth is greatly inhibited during cold surface temperatures.[2]

googled it before I used the word, called my mother, and U R right.

:)

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Hi! Joe,

On Tue, 19 Sep 17, you wrote to me:

googled it before I used the word, called my mother, and U
R right.
:)

Yeah! I googled yours first! Just to make sure it wasn't some emerging Yankee
doo-dad for the old English. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Yeah! I googled yours first! Just to make sure it wasn't some emerging Yankee doo-dad for the old English. :)

IfIgoogled Hail Mary or Hail to the chief... soon with google and trending you'll see hail JoHo after hail mary... and how fitting is that. JoHo is our hail mary for a kick ass mailer.

:)

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Hi! Joe,

On Tue, 19 Sep 17, you wrote to me:

IfIgoogled Hail Mary or Hail to the chief... soon with
google and trending you'll see hail JoHo after hail mary...
and how fitting is that. JoHo is our
hail mary for a kick ass mailer.
:)

I am genuinely happy for you, Joe. I don't much care since the "big bang of '98", when my old BBS machine blew with sparks & much smoke within sight of the
whole family. It took with it FroDo & a RA BBS. After that I totally went BSO
and a toy Mystic BBS.

Rock on...

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi IB,

On 19 Sep 17 14:44, IB JOE wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Re: Mailer":

Just don't... I guess I just don't like change... :) I use internet
rex because it ties in well with what I know. File attached mailer is what I know and like. I know Internet Rex is using binkp to send
mail...

I've used irex in the past, but I don't need it anymore since I use binkd. And I don't like it because it's abandoned for a long time, it's closed source, and
has known bugs...

Long live fmail and hale Wilfred...

Please don't! ;)

Wilfred.

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Long live fmail and hale Wilfred...

Please don't! ;)

Wilfred.

Good enough, we'll just worship in private.

Thanx for your work though.

IB JOE
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS
Telnet: joesbbs.com

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Hi IB,

On 2017-09-20 06:19:44, you wrote to me:

Long live fmail and hale Wilfred...

Please don't! ;)

Good enough, we'll just worship in private.

I don't know if I'm comfortable with that, but as long as I don't know about it... ;)

Thanx for your work though.

You're welcome...

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2017 Sep 18 14:54:18, you wrote to All:

Can someone tell me what mailer would work good with Fmail? Back in the modem days I use to use Frontdoor but that is no longer going to work so I need to find something new to do this task.

frontdoor works just fine with a telnet capable virtual modem like netserial/netfoss... plus joho has returned to fidonet and is working on frontdoor again...

but, right now, in today's fidonet, binkd is the most common mailer used... it is a BSO mailer so those with binnkleyterm experience will probably understand it faster and easier than others...

i use both, frontdoor and binkd, on my system in a kinda of hybrid setup... while i could use the BSO in its natural form, i prefer to use binkd's fileboxes which makes it easier for my scripts to move the outbound mail to each system that connects here via the binkp protocol... all the major processing is still done in the frontdoor/fastecho style manner... all inbound traffic is moved to the central processing area and dealt with... outbound stays with FD for its dynamic routing or is moved into a system's filebox for binkd to mangle...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... We bought the effect, we're gonna use it.
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On 2017 Sep 19 16:32:52, you wrote to IB JOE:

It'll be interesting to see how it addresses todays modes of
transfers and as well if he can add to it.

What is there to add? Binkp is perfect! ;)

HA! it is missing a lot of things that mailer operators came to expect... scheduling of mail events, accepting inbound connections at certain times while
still handling outbound deliveries, dynamic routing and packing of mail during
events, etc...

in reality, binkd is little more than a protocol engine with some BSO capabilities bolted on...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... "A good indignation brings out all one's powers." - Emerson
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On 2017 Sep 20 12:09:00, you wrote to Ib Joe:

I am genuinely happy for you, Joe. I don't much care since the "big
bang of '98", when my old BBS machine blew with sparks & much smoke
within sight of the whole family. It took with it FroDo & a RA BBS.
After that I totally went BSO and a toy Mystic BBS.

you're welcome back any time ;) O:)

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... Never get into fights with ugly people, they have nothing to lose.
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Hi! mark,

On 09/22/2017 01:49 AM, you wrote:

After that I totally went BSO and a toy Mystic BBS.

you're welcome back any time ;) O:)

That's comforting to know but it won't happen. OTOH, I do intend to re-enable the telnet nodelist flags on my Radius node's listings, to give youse blokes some additional testing targets.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi mark,

On 2017-09-21 11:43:46, you wrote to me:

It'll be interesting to see how it addresses todays modes of
transfers and as well if he can add to it.

What is there to add? Binkp is perfect! ;)

HA! it is missing a lot of things that mailer operators came to expect... scheduling of mail events, accepting inbound connections at certain times while still handling outbound deliveries, dynamic routing and packing of mail during events, etc...

I have been using Frontdoor in the past, but I don't miss nor need any of that...

in reality, binkd is little more than a protocol engine with some BSO capabilities bolted on...

It's a perfect example of the linux philosophy, doing 1 thing and doing that 1 thing very well!

Bye, Wilfred.

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