And Russian troops also would have no reasons to shoot.
... especially while it was perfectly obvious that
making slaves from Ukrainians was not Russia's aim...
Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they
It doesn't take much research to find out when and where theSurrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they could have ordered the Ukrainian army not to do a single shot.
white flag principle began. It has been around for centuries,
in various cultures around the world. Easily understood by all
what it means.
In fact, the white flag was written into the Geneva Conventions
in the 19th century as the official international symbol of
surrender. So how could the Vatican Secretary of State, and the
Pope, not know ??the very basic of the meaning of the white
flag? It means SURRENDER!
Lawful, elected President of Ukraine had been outthrown by the mob,
Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they
could have ordered the Ukrainian army not to do a single shot.
If less idiots have been in Kremlin they could have ordered theLawful, elected President of Ukraine had been outthrown by the mob,
Russian army not to enter Crimea and other parts of Ukraine in
2014...
could not pass without consequence. As I said before here -- the people who elected the outthrown President from Crimea, southern and eastern Ukraine had full right to be outraged, do not accept new authority in
Kiev and even fight against it, especially when they became the target
of the military suppression by the Ukrainian army.
Russia could not stay away, whoever was in power there, unless it
lost conscience and proud not defending those Russians in Ukraine.
I have told you my point of view. For the new Ukrainian authority
It doesn't take much research to find out when and where the
white flag principle began. It has been around for centuries,
in various cultures around the world. Easily understood by all
what it means.
In fact, the white flag was written into the Geneva Conventions
in the 19th century as the official international symbol of
surrender. So how could the Vatican Secretary of State, and the
Pope, not know ??the very basic of the meaning of the white
flag? It means SURRENDER!
Surrender can be different.
If less idiots have been in Kiev they could have ordered the Ukrainian army
not to do a single shot.
And Russian troops also would have no reasons to shoot.
It would have been a funny situation when Russian troops could let defile along Ukrainian roads having behind, on the right, on left the Ukrainian guns constantly connected with Russian army temple.
It could have been a funny bloodless war company in humans history, and the
resolution of the conflict could be found peacefully,
especially while it was perfectly obvious that making slaves from Ukrainians
was not Russia's aim...
Well, if less idiots have been in Kiev... who valued human lives of Ukrainians.
You cannot even accept that Russian army invaded Eastern
Urkaine in 2014 - because Russians police is not just beating
prisoners, they like to rape prisoners using some handy stick.
Our country became a madman's dream :(
When I said about idiots in Ukraine I meant another thing. If you were
a silly school boy I would explain it like this:
Suppose two boxers are fighting (in the street, no referee). The first
boxer is twice as heavy to the second one and also has twice longer
hands (and twice bigger fists). So, in which way must fight the
second smaller boxer?
If the second boxer is a fucking idiot (like Zelensky) he will fight
the same direct infighting as the big boxer does. The smaller boxer
will be covered with blood, bruises, amputated limbs and brain
concussion.
That's how Ukraine should have treated Russian invasion. Then no
destroyed cities, no hundreds of thousands killed, no millions
invalids.
It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian
groups, then Russian army.
Protasov told me about a group of 50 paramilitaries who entered
Ukraine then. But it was in vain, unless local people fight also. As
for the real Russian army -- it was not in Donbass until 2022 because
Don't tell rubbish. When the USA wanted to defend Albanians in Serbia
they did military actions against Serbian troops and they didn't ask anybody for the permission, and spit at the world opinion.
Russia in a
similar way defended Russians in Ukraine who fought against the new unlawful power in Kiev after 2014.
Russians are majority in eastern and
southern Ukraine regions and they want to separate from Ukraine,...
Actually, was that not a UN-intervention mandated by the
Security Council?
Two of my cousins, Belgian nationality, served on those
missions ...
;-) Do you beleive that the attack was on the agenda of the Security Council and Russia and Chine approved it and did not vetoed it?
PS: western lying propaganda
Wiki is not a perfect source of course, but you cannot find anything on this issue in official western propaganda.
Otherwise people looked at
Russian operation in Ukraine at different angle.
In other words you have just said that there had been held a UN Security Council where Russia and China agreed to bomb Serbia. What a miserable
lie.
I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it perfectly clear to me that the western double standards in treating military crimes in Gaza
and Russian operation in Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite. I wish you ("justice defenders") so that thousands killed Palestinian children come to you in nightmare and point at you with their broken bloody
fingers.
I will not discuss who are rogue countries,
In that region the real problem is Iran fighting a number of
Why are you ignoring our own rules on FidoNet?
Other than that, not recognising that Iran is waging a number of proxy wars in the Middle East might hurt your anus once you need to retrieve your head from it.
I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it perfectly clear to me
that the western double standards in treating military crimes in Gaza
and Russian operation in Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite. I wish
you ("justice defenders") so that thousands killed Palestinian children
come to you in nightmare and point at you with their broken bloody
fingers.
In that region the real problem is Iran fighting a number of proxy-wars via
their armed militia known as Hamas, Hezbollah, Houti ...
and now they are providing weapons to Russia ...
It's not Saudi-Arabia, it's mot the Emirates ...
remove Iran from the equation and the Middle-East violence stops...
remove the clergy,
disband the revolutionary guards and the violence stops.
As for the number of people killed ... show the corpses ...
Just like that Russian airplane that crashed with so-called a hundred Ukrainian prisoners of war (with hardly a guard) ... show the corpses ...
Why are you ignoring our own rules on FidoNet?
I don't determine the rules in this echo, someone else does, and that person
knows that should he tell me to dimm it, I will.
Other than that, not recognising that Iran is waging a number of proxy wars
in the Middle East might hurt your anus once you need to retrieve your head
from it.
No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people."Revolution" is another word for "coup" or mutiny.
BTW, the attempt of
capture the Capitol, after Trump losing the elections, is very similar event and is considered in the USA as a heavy crime.
Again and again -- law is very important! Yushchenko won Ukrainian president elections in 2005 (defeating Yanukovich), and then _everybody_ in Ukraine excepted it. Because it was a legal event. Russia also had no motive to to interfere.
It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian groups,Protasov told me about a group of 50 paramilitaries who entered
then Russian army.
Ukraine then. But it was in vain, unless local people fight also. As
for the real Russian army -- it was not in Donbass until 2022 because there are no reports it used aviation, long range rockets as it does
now. It is funny to think than somebody sends his army to somewhere
and prohibits it using heavy weapon.
Russia could not stay away, whoever was in power there, unless it
lost conscience and proud not defending those Russians in Ukraine.
They could have just accepted all those Russians back, not toIf to be true, it must be said that during the USSR time at least 40 percent people in Ukraine were Russian people. After Ukraine became independent they were ordered ;-) to consider themselves as Ukrainians
invade foreign country.
and it was the shame and a time bomb. In short it is a crazy idea to suggest to millions of Russians in Ukraine go to Russia. They live on their own land and defend it.
I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it perfectly clear to me that the western double standards in treating military crimes in Gaza
and Russian operation in Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite.
Alex Shuman wrote to alexander koryagin <=-
BTW, the attempt of
capture the Capitol, after Trump losing the elections, is very similar event and is considered in the USA as a heavy crime.
It because they were minority (most of people did not support their
ways) and attacked government buildings instead of peaceful protest.
Minority! Trump is also supported by almost a half of Americans. And
most active of these people had come to the Capitol. If they had managed
to depose Biden and the Republican majority in Congress approved it --
it would have been the same situation as in Ukraine. And surely, many American would not accept the coup which violate their choice.
I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it
perfectly clear to me that the western double standards in
treating military crimes in Gaza and Russian operation in
Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite.
Well, both Hamas and Russia started it.It has been started by the occupation of Palestinian lands long ago,
if somebody suffers from senility. And every nation has right to
fight with occupants, as they said me. When the occupant complains
about nasty partisans it sounds funny.
No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people.
"Revolution" is another word for "coup" or mutiny.
It depends... This one was certainly people's will and not aIt was the people's will... of the half of Ukraine. Or even less, taking into account how many people elected Yanukovich. That's why another part of Ukraine has not accepted this "will".
military coup.
Minority! Trump is also supported by almost a half of Americans. And
most active of these people had come to the Capitol. If they had managed to depose Biden and the Republican majority in Congress approved it --
it would have been the same situation as in Ukraine. And surely, many American would not accept the coup which violate their choice.
Then Yanukovich won, then people got tired of him and his anti-Elections then were a perfectly legal way to dismiss President. And it
people politics, then Russia decided to interfere.
is funny to listen when somebody says about all the people, "They
tired"! ;-) And they made a revolution! It is funny to hear such an agrument as the justification for the political coup in Ukraine -- then the democratic country without any tyranny!!!
Most of fighters were from Russia. They used Russian weapons.In Donbass the rebels captured military bases and got a lot of weapon.
Why does it sound incredible?
Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their UkrainianUkraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians.
citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a colonial war. Also,
don't mix Russian-speaking people with Russian citizens.
The ones who target civilians are not partisans but terrorists.
Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians and thousands
of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
graves keep dead bodies well.
Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
graves keep dead bodies well. For the he Hague trial. All people saw the criminal bombing in live reporting by Al-Jazira. Israel will answer for
its hideous crimes in Gaza. If you are a Jew you are a bad Jew defending such a crime.
if somebody suffers from senility. And every nation has
right to fight with occupants, as they said me. When the
occupant complains about nasty partisans it sounds funny.
The ones who target civilians are not partisans but terrorists.Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians and thousands
of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their
Ukrainian citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a
colonial war. Also, don't mix Russian-speaking people
with Russian citizens.
Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians.
Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then supportedDo you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after the coup in 2014?
fighting in East Ukraine then officially invaded Ukraine. We
had quite good relations with Russia till then.
In short, the people of Crimea had done what they had done only AFTER
the coup which was the trigger of all the havoc in Ukraine.
Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple
mass graves keep dead bodies well.
It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine.Russian army has never bombed the civilian areas deliberately
Civilian buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion
forces contantly.
paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".
Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and
Russians.
Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then
supported fighting in East Ukraine then officially
invaded Ukraine. We had quite good relations with
Russia till then.
Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to
Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after
the coup in 2014?
People - yes. Russian colonial government - no.You are blinded by Zelensky propaganda. Refresh you memory as it was in Crimea 2014 in reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTb-6xgQGpY
if somebody suffers from senility. And every
nation has right to fight with occupants, as they
said me. When the occupant complains about nasty
partisans it sounds funny.
The ones who target civilians are not partisans but
terrorists.
Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians
and thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
I doubt Israel targeted civilians.A lot of journalists around the world have worked in Gaza. Many have
been killed by Israeli bombs thinking naive that if they are among civilians or in hospitals they are safe. The accusation of Israel in genocide has not been born of a empty place.
... In Gaza we have something close to genocide.
They doing it right now. Almost every day some civilians die in
major cities due to Russian rockets/drones. And there are no
military targets in these cities.
paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".
But the actual paradigm is "Restoration of the Russian empire",Even from your point of view Putin's army has no any reason to bomb potential "new Russians". This is the difference between bombing in Gaza and Ukraine. In Gaza we have something close to genocide.
they even called the occuppied regions "New Russia".
In Gaza, they have combatants stationed in/under the city. In major Ukrainian cities we don't. And Russian reason to bomb is terror.
Besides, Iran is also involved in the Russian aggression against Ukraine. It's an even bigger threat than Russia worldwide and Israel is our last stand against Islamism taking over Europe.
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