• The New Nazis

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Tue Oct 18 00:17:00 2022
    Hello Everybody,

    Mel Brooks had it right so many years ago.
    It really is "Springtime for Hitler" ... only
    in Sweden rather than in Germany or the USA.

    Ulf Kristersson: Swedish parliament elects new PM backed by far right

    Source: BBC

    PM Ulf Kristersson's Moderates will form a centre-right coalition with
    the Christian Democrats and the Liberals.

    But it will govern with support from the Sweden Democrats (SD), who won
    a fifth of votes in recent polls.

    Tougher immigration policies and greater police powers are part of a
    policy deal with the SD.

    ....

    The SD was founded by Nazi sympathisers and had been shunned by the
    mainstream for decades.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63289903

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Oct 18 09:51:49 2022
    Ulf Kristersson: Swedish parliament elects new PM backed by far right

    So what's wrong with that?

    Would it be so much more fun if it were backed by the far left?.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Oct 18 20:36:09 2022
    But it will govern with support from the Sweden Democrats (SD), who won
    a fifth of votes in recent polls.

    No worries, Lee. This is not the USA, a party with just one fifth of the seats in the parliament can never get any laws of their own passed against the will of the rest of the house.

    It's time you start worrying about what will happen if the MAGA idiots over there will gain seats in *your* parliaments -- federal, but more importantly state. It's just two weeks left now...


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue Oct 18 22:06:44 2022
    Hello Ward,

    Ulf Kristersson: Swedish parliament elects new PM backed by far right

    So what's wrong with that?

    The New Nazis are IN, and are now being noticed by all -

    "Sweden in the north, Italy in the south: Left-wing governments
    are so yesterday."
    ~ Beatrix von Storch tweet (leading member of the Alternative
    for Germany party)

    Would it be so much more fun if it were backed by the far left?.

    Red Brigades in Italy would love it.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Wed Oct 19 14:25:16 2022
    Hello Björn,

    But it will govern with support from the Sweden Democrats (SD), who won
    a fifth of votes in recent polls.

    No worries, Lee. This is not the USA, a party with just one fifth of the
    seats in the parliament can never get any laws of their own passed against the will of the rest of the house.

    That is only the beginning. With time, that small minority will
    become a huge majority. A majority that can never be stopped ...

    It's time you start worrying about what will happen if the MAGA idiots over there will gain seats in *your* parliaments -- federal, but more importantly state. It's just two weeks left now...

    Worry? Me, worry?

    Oh, at the state level I still have one year of freedom left. The
    MAGA idiots have two/thirds majority control both houses of the state legislature at present, but not the governor's mansion. That changes
    next year as their only opposition leaves due to term limits.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Oct 19 14:37:38 2022
    That is only the beginning. With time, that small minority will
    become a huge majority. A majority that can never be stopped ...

    Fear not, we still remember Nazi Germany -- after all we were close neighbours. And if that should be forgotten, we now have Putin and his Ruscists to remind us.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Wed Oct 19 07:46:00 2022
    Björn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    That is only the beginning. With time, that small minority will
    become a huge majority. A majority that can never be stopped ...

    Fear not, we still remember Nazi Germany -- after all we were
    close neighbours. And if that should be forgotten, we now have
    Putin and his Ruscists to remind us.

    Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
    if it wasn't for the USA. At least you got to keep your
    commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why you hate the
    USA so much, since you owe them so much.

    But that's OK. We don't care about you, either.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Wed Oct 19 15:32:09 2022
    you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
    if it wasn't for the USA.

    And you, dear Sir, probably don't even know that it was *not* the US military that saved the world, it was the US women, that kept the production of war materiel up until the very end.

    And now you MAGA idiots are doing your best to thank your women by first taking away their right to their own bodies, and with your America First movement even take away their right to vote.

    How civilized of you. Without the German scientists you'd be speaking Japanese right now.


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to BjöRn Felten on Wed Oct 19 13:03:22 2022
    On 19 Oct 22 15:32:09, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Dan Clough:

    And now you MAGA idiots are doing your best to thank your women by first taking away their right to their own bodies, and with your America First movement even take away their right to vote.

    Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether its a problem or not its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a rape problem.

    Before you hit the Reply key, remember how often you used and advocated for this asenine logic many dozens of times here since 9/11 to push your agenda.

    You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond Abba.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Wed Oct 19 21:06:09 2022
    Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether its a problem or not its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a
    rape problem.

    Swedish women are probably the most emancipated and self-conscious in the world. To have sex over there, and not to get into trouble unintentionally, it's best to have a written contract.

    Because of their self-confidence and their assertiveness you just don't mess with Swedish women or you might find yourself in the wrong bench during criminal court proceedings.

    Because of my years long international work I've encountered several Swedish women and you simply don't mess with them.

    Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult if not impossible.

    You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond
    Abba.

    You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right?

    Russia has now banned ABBA-music.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Wed Oct 19 23:19:32 2022
    Hi Dan,

    Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
    if it wasn't for the USA. At least you got to keep your
    commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why you hate the
    USA so much, since you owe them so much.

    Not again ... it's amazing what a small part is reserved for history in your high-school system.

    In the European theater the war had already been decided by the Battle of Britain which ended October 31st 1940. At that moment no further advances occured in the west and it was going to be another 14 months before Pearl Harbor happened.

    At that point the Battle of the Atlantic also already had ended with Nazi Germany losing about half of its capital ships fleet early in the war (Graf Spe, Blucher, Bismarck) with Gneisenau out of commission for good.

    In the east there was the Battle of Stalingrad which was the decisive battle in WW2, not Operation Overlord. Without Stalingrad Operation Overlord would not have happened because Nazi Germany was forced to withdraw troops from the west sending them to the east thereby weakening coastal defences.

    Germany after Stalingrad was on a one-way trip to defeat ... something the USSR never was given enough credit for by Hollywood. The US's entry into the war just made it a different kind of defeat.

    Plus there was Alan Turing ...

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Wed Oct 19 16:43:00 2022
    Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
    if it wasn't for the USA.

    And you, dear Sir, probably don't even know that it was *not*
    the US military that saved the world, it was the US women, that
    kept the production of war materiel up until the very end.

    Your first wrong assumption. I know very well the role that US women
    played in the war. Not even sure why you would think I wouldn't know
    that. But I guess you're really that stupid.

    And now you MAGA idiots are doing your best to thank your
    women by first taking away their right to their own bodies, and
    with your America First movement even take away their right to
    vote.

    Second wrong assumption that I'm a "MAGA idiot". What made you think
    such a thing? Your second two statements are also wrong, especially
    that last one. You really had to reach up deep into your ass to pull
    that one out.

    How civilized of you. Without the German scientists you'd be
    speaking Japanese right now.

    Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to
    the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts. Yet another
    stupid assumption by you. It's the only thing you're good at. You're
    also wrong about the "speaking Japanese" thing, which shows your utter
    lack of knowledge about the subject. The only thing the two A-bombs did
    was hasten the end of the war (and save many lives), as it was just a
    matter of time until we overran Japan. We were very close to doing just
    that when the bombs were dropped.

    Go back and study up on things a little; your lack of education is
    glaringly bright.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Ward Dossche on Wed Oct 19 16:47:00 2022
    Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
    if it wasn't for the USA. At least you got to keep your commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why you hate the
    USA so much, since you owe them so much.

    Not again ... it's amazing what a small part is reserved for
    history in your high-school system.

    <SNIP bullshit>

    I can assure you that I'm educated far beyond the "high-school system". You're as bad as your pal Beeeorn at making stupid assumptions.

    I see that your Euro-commie brain-washing is very similar to the US
    Leftists tendencies/attempts to re-write history by making stupid,
    false, ignorant statements. Sorry, not gonna work. I won't even quote/respond to such bullshit.



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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dan Clough on Wed Oct 19 18:05:36 2022
    On 19 Oct 22 16:47:00, Dan Clough said the following to Ward Dossche:

    I can assure you that I'm educated far beyond the "high-school system". You're as bad as your pal Beeeorn at making stupid assumptions.

    I feel that we will soon all be reminded of the imperfections of the American education system, the judicial system, healthcare and how 9/11 was deserved. Give it a few more replies in, its bound to happen.

    There was a time here when America sucked because of "sitcom canned laughter".

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Wed Oct 19 18:18:52 2022
    On 19 Oct 22 21:06:09, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right?

    The blonde? Yeah I figured she'd be into "German things" in the sack.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Thu Oct 20 00:43:16 2022
    I see that your Euro-commie brain-washing is very similar to the US Leftists tendencies/attempts to re-write history by making stupid,
    false, ignorant statements. Sorry, not gonna work. I won't even quote/respond to such bullshit.

    Actually, what I mentioned is accepted by history scholars as perfectly correct.

    It cannot be denied that the Battle of Britain had already been concluded 14 months prior to Pearl Harbour, that the Battle for Stalingrad was the major turning point for the front in eastern Europe and that the troops of Nazi Germany were already running in a general westernly direction. Just as it cannot be denied that the Kriegsmarine had already been reduced to less than half its combat readyness by unfortunate events during the first operational sorties of Graf Spe, Bismarck and Blucher.

    See ... I can write full sentences, make a point, not just one-liners and still not insult someone...

    Take care,

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Thu Oct 20 00:56:50 2022
    You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a NA>WD> Nazi, right?

    The blonde? Yeah I figured she'd be into "German things" in the sack.

    Nope ... the other one ...

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Wed Oct 19 19:04:33 2022
    On 20 Oct 22 00:56:50, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a NA>WD> Nazi, right?

    The blonde? Yeah I figured she'd be into "German things" in the sack.

    Nope ... the other one ...

    Ewwwwww... more foulness on her ass than a Swedish bicycle seat.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Thu Oct 20 01:21:29 2022
    Nope ... the other one ...

    Ewwwwww... more foulness on her ass than a Swedish bicycle seat.

    When they start moving it's like poetry for the eyes ...

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Wed Oct 19 18:42:00 2022
    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    On 19 Oct 22 16:47:00, Dan Clough said the following to Ward
    Dossche:

    I can assure you that I'm educated far beyond the "high-school system". You're as bad as your pal Beeeorn at making stupid assumptions.

    I feel that we will soon all be reminded of the imperfections of
    the American education system, the judicial system, healthcare
    and how 9/11 was deserved. Give it a few more replies in, its
    bound to happen.

    Yes, no doubt. What I see changing is that I have more and more
    difficulty predicting whether it will come from Beeeorn or Ward.

    There was a time here when America sucked because of "sitcom
    canned laughter".

    Well, when your only goal is to find some kind of fault with America,
    that's as good a reason as any.



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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 20 02:39:49 2022
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Ward Dossche.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 19.10.22 23:19:

    Hi Dan,
    Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the
    USA. At least you got to keep your commie-tendencies. It is a little strange as to how/why
    you hate the USA so much, since you owe them so much.
    Not again ... it's amazing what a small part is reserved for history in your high-school
    system. In the European theater the war had already been decided by the Battle of Britain
    which ended October 31st 1940. At that moment no further advances occured in the west and it
    was going to be another 14 months before Pearl Harbor happened. At that point the Battle of
    the Atlantic also already had ended with Nazi Germany losing about half of its capital ships
    fleet early in the war (Graf Spe, Blucher, Bismarck) with Gneisenau out of commission for
    good. In the east there was the Battle of Stalingrad which was the decisive battle in WW2, not
    Operation Overlord. Without Stalingrad Operation Overlord would not have happened because Nazi
    Germany was forced to withdraw troops from the west sending them to the east thereby weakening
    coastal defences. Germany after Stalingrad was on a one-way trip to defeat ... something the
    USSR never was given enough credit for by Hollywood. The US's entry into the war just made it
    a different kind of defeat.

    Germans should especially "love" the USA. For the massive bombing of Western cities, in which there were practically no military - exclusively civilians. Ah, Dresden... There was great destruction and casualties only in Hiroshima...

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 20 02:45:10 2022
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Ward Dossche.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 19.10.22 21:06:

    Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether its a problem or not
    its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a rape problem.
    Swedish women are probably the most emancipated and self-conscious in the world. To have sex
    over there, and not to get into trouble unintentionally, it's best to have a written contract.
    Because of their self-confidence and their assertiveness you just don't mess with Swedish
    women or you might find yourself in the wrong bench during criminal court proceedings. Because
    of my years long international work I've encountered several Swedish women and you simply
    don't mess with them. Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological
    variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national
    comparison on rape statistics difficult if not impossible.
    You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond Abba.
    You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right? Russia has
    now banned ABBA-music.

    And how is this, excuse me? Today I only listened to it on the radio in the car.
    It was easier to ban it under the USSR, but officially albums were released.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 20 06:09:40 2022
    You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a
    Nazi, right?

    German yes, but Nazi...? Doubtful.

    Her full name is Princess Anni-Frid Synni of Reuss, Countess of Plauen, and noblemen were usually not real Nazis.


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Dan Clough on Thu Oct 20 11:04:12 2022
    Hello Dan,

    On Wednesday October 19 2022 07:46, you wrote to Björn Felten:

    Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
    if it wasn't for the USA.

    I /DO/ speak German. If you stopped anything regarding me speaking German - which is doubtfull - it was me learning it the easy way: from my mother. Now I had to learn it the hard way; in school. Learning German in school is very difficult with all these cases and inflections. I never really got it. Thanks to you...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thu Oct 20 12:17:29 2022
    Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
    if it wasn't for the USA.

    MvdV> I /DO/ speak German.

    So do I, and many from my generation in Sweden. I could even say that German is my native tongue (I spoke German my first five years).

    In the Technical University where I studied, most of our textbooks were in German, since German science was still world leading by then.

    And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, we would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.

    Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking, mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The basis of human progress...


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Thu Oct 20 12:37:30 2022
    MvdV> I /DO/ speak German.

    So do I ...

    Me too...

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Thu Oct 20 12:40:36 2022
    Hello Björn,

    On Thursday October 20 2022 12:17, you wrote to me:

    And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, we
    would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.

    About The Netherlands... I do not know if German would have been my native Language if Germany had won WWII. I doubt it, forcing a language on people is not all that easy.

    Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking,
    mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The basis of human progress...

    My point is that for me language is a tool. Just like the metric system is a tool for measurements, language is a tool for communication. It so happens that my native language is understood by a mere 1% of all the people on our planet and actively used by just 0,5%. I consider that a handicap. I would have been better off with a more wide spread native language. German would have been better than Dutch. So to those who claim they prevented German from being my native language I say: Your claim is false, but if it were not, you did not do me a favour.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 20 18:49:24 2022
    Hello Ward,

    Googling Sweden's rape statistics returns many pages of results. Whether
    its a problem or not its still a hotbed topic. Therefore Sweden has a
    rape problem.

    Swedish women are probably the most emancipated and self-conscious in the world. To have sex over there, and not to get into trouble unintentionally,
    it's best to have a written contract.

    Gee, I never knew that. What if one gets involved in a threesome?
    Or an orgy?

    Because of their self-confidence and their assertiveness you just don't mess
    with Swedish women or you might find yourself in the wrong bench during criminal court proceedings.

    I never knew sex was a crime in Sweden. Best to have sex with Swedes
    in America, the land of the free and home of the brave?

    Because of my years long international work I've encountered several Swedish
    women and you simply don't mess with them.

    I had lots of fun with two Swedish gals and a Dutch gal who shared
    an apartment when I was in college ...

    Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult if not impossible.

    You'd be surprised at what some gals will do on camera ... especially
    when armed with a dildo.

    You are in no position to lecture anyone on women or anything beyond
    Abba.

    You do know that one of the girls is the illegitimate daughter of a Nazi, right?

    That is what makes her the alternative for Germany.

    Russia has now banned ABBA-music.

    Now we know what the Z is for.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Oct 20 19:28:03 2022
    I never knew sex was a crime in Sweden.

    This was about rape. I know that in most countries a "no" from a woman really means "yes please". But not in Sweden. Try to rape a Swedish girl and all hell will come down upon you. Our phones are open 24/7 if you want to report a violation of our girl's freedom to choose with whom they have intercourse with.

    That is the single most important reason why *reported* rapes are as high as it is in Sweden. BOC, men with erectile problems will never want to hear anything about it. "A fuck is a fuck, leave it with that."


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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Oct 21 09:38:00 2022
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Michiel van der Vlist.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 20.10.22 12:40:

    And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, we
    would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.
    About The Netherlands... I do not know if German would have been my native Language if Germany
    had won WWII. I doubt it, forcing a language on people is not all that easy.
    Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking,
    mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The
    basis of human progress...
    My point is that for me language is a tool. Just like the metric system is a tool for
    measurements, language is a tool for communication. It so happens that my native language is
    understood by a mere 1% of all the people on our planet and actively used by just 0,5%. I
    consider that a handicap. I would have been better off with a more wide spread native
    language. German would have been better than Dutch. So to those who claim they prevented
    German from being my native language I say: Your claim is false, but if it were not, you did
    not do me a favour.

    Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three floors - that's what we all heard from him for the requirements of a higher educational institution to take exams exclusively in Ukrainian. At the same time, half of all words related to special scientific terms are just Russian words, the Ukrainians did not manage to translate them into their distorted pig language ;)

    Here is an example of discrimination at the state level on the basis of language in Ukraine.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Oct 21 10:09:56 2022
    Hello, Oleg!

    Friday October 21 2022 09:38, you wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

    Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
    exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three floors - that's

    All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple nationalities.

    just Russian words, the Ukrainians did not manage to translate them
    into their distorted pig language ;)

    "Pig language" - is another example of nazi rhetoric which is very common in Russia these days :(


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Oct 21 09:15:19 2022
    Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
    exams in Ukrainian.

    If I go study in China my exams will be in the language spoken there as well ... how awful ... complete denial of culture and rights of Flanders, right?

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Oct 21 11:01:30 2022
    Hello Oleg,

    On Friday October 21 2022 09:38, you wrote to me:

    Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
    exams in Ukrainian.

    Imagine? You mean that it is not reality but just a hypothetical situation?

    OK, Imagine me moving to Russia. You'd have to imigine, because it is not a real situation, I will not move to Russia. But for the sake of argument... imagine... Now if I want to continue my hobby as a radio amateur and I want to pass the exam...

    Could I take the exam in Dutch, my native langauage?

    No need to elaborate, a simple "yes" or "no" will do.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Ward Dossche on Fri Oct 21 10:50:21 2022
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Ward Dossche.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 21.10.22 9:15:

    Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral exams in Ukrainian.
    If I go study in China my exams will be in the language spoken there as well ... how awful ...
    complete denial of culture and rights of Flanders, right?

    One inconsistency - this man did not go anywhere, he was born there and lived all his life. It's like if the Chinese come to you and force you to use only Chinese. And everything that reminds of Flanders will be destroyed in Flanders - history, monuments, ancestral graves, religion. If you don't like it, go to a place where there are no Chinese yet. I don't think you'll be too happy.

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Oct 21 12:39:35 2022
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Michiel van der Vlist.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 21.10.22 11:01:

    Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral exams in Ukrainian.
    Imagine? You mean that it is not reality but just a hypothetical situation?

    It was a reality, from 2014 to 2022, on the territory of the former Ukraine. Now it is the territory of Russia.

    OK, Imagine me moving to Russia. You'd have to imigine, because it is not a real situation, I
    will not move to Russia. But for the sake of argument... imagine... Now if I want to continue
    my hobby as a radio amateur and I want to pass the exam... Could I take the exam in Dutch, my
    native langauage?

    How else do you want to write the word "imagine"?
    ""Picture this" is more clear? Because you can't try it on your own skin, just try to imagine. No, not to come, but to be born, to live your whole life speaking Russian, and suddenly - blemishes, let's take the exam in another language!

    No need to elaborate, a simple "yes" or "no" will do.

    Not applicable. Because even a picture of this you are not able to do there in the West.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri Oct 21 14:21:33 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 21.10.2022 10:09

    ON>> Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take
    ON>> all oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three
    ON>> floors - that's
    DP> All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple
    DP> nationalities.

    I said to you many times, but you stubbornly don't hear it -- the
    quantity of people matters first. Nobody will make a movie theatre a
    village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak their
    native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse from it. In
    these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine had been until
    the coup in 2014.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Oct 21 14:38:40 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Friday October 21 2022 14:21, you wrote to me:

    Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take
    all oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three
    floors - that's
    All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple
    nationalities.

    I said to you many times, but you stubbornly don't hear it -- the
    quantity of people matters first. Nobody will make a movie theatre a

    We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they still have exams in Russian.
    On paper we are federation but reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

    village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse from it.
    In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine had been
    until the coup in 2014.

    Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you never visited Ukraine, right?).
    But state language is Ukranian.

    It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say to China that they are idiots.
    And Mandarin is VERY different from southern languages.
    Father of my colleage from the South cannot understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language (only the writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than Russian to Ukraine.

    Soviet Union had system of forced "Russifiction" when you had to know Russian and State's policy was very much like imperialism, with Moscow as center of eveything add Russian language as the language of elites.

    I am in Azerbaijan now where they had Baku's population which almost completely switched to Russian and all other people who were still speaking Azeri.
    After fall of Soviet Union country switched backed to Azeri. They still have Russian language schools but all state services are in Azeri.
    For them it was a path from "Imperial province" to Independent state.

    Nazaroff calls Ukranian here a "pig language". This is what I am talking about. Russian imperialism is bad thing for everyone, for Russians also.
    The Russians now are killing Russians. People from Moscow rot on battelfields in Ukraine.

    What's the purpose of this massacre?


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Mon Oct 24 00:08:42 2022
    Dan Clough -> Björn Felten skrev 2022-10-19 23:43:
    Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts.

    Oh, yes, those German scientists "technically" came by their own choice.

    The two choices 1600 German scientists had between going with the secret US Operation Paperclip, without even the Allied leaders, or of course the US people, being informed anything about it, and, the other choice: going to Nürnberg, standing trial for all the war crimes they'd committed.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Sun Oct 23 18:49:00 2022
    Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Dan Clough -> Björn Felten skrev 2022-10-19 23:43:
    Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts.

    Oh, yes, those German scientists "technically" came by their
    own choice.

    The two choices 1600 German scientists had between going with
    the secret US Operation Paperclip, without even the Allied
    leaders, or of course the US people, being informed anything
    about it, and, the other choice: going to Nürnberg, standing
    trial for all the war crimes they'd committed.

    Once again, you try to confuse the issue, and speak about apples vs
    oranges... I'm not surprised.

    Operation Paperclip was done *AFTER* the war (we were talking about WW2,
    just in case you forgot). It's goal was to benefit the USA in regards
    to the "cold war" with the USSR, and overall military/commercial
    technical endeavors (such as the "space race").

    Many other countries (especially the USSR) did exactly the same thing.
    Only a handful (fewer than 5) of the Germans who came to the US were
    ever accused/tried of any wartime crimes. I don't think ANY were ever convicted of anything.

    My original comment above about the Germans helping the US's war efforts
    was in regards to the development of the A-bombs used to end the war
    with Japan, and you knew that perfectly well.

    There. Your blatant attempt to exaggerate and lie is exposed for all to
    see. You failed in your "smear attempt", as usual. <YAWN>


    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon Oct 24 14:19:06 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 21.10.2022 14:38

    ON>>>> Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all
    ON>>>> oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three floors -
    ON>>>> that's
    DP>>> All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple
    DP>>> nationalities.

    ak>> I said to you many times, but you stubbornly don't hear it -- the
    ak>> quantity of people matters first. Nobody will make a movie theatre

    DP> We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they
    DP> still have exams in Russian. On paper we are federation but
    DP> reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

    I say to you again -- the quantity matters. In a small village all
    people possibly wanted a movie theatre, but nowhere nobody will build it.

    ak>> village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak
    ak>> their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse
    ak>> from it. In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine
    ak>> had been until the coup in 2014.

    DP> Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
    DP> never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

    Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs, business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in Russian speaking
    areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.

    DP> It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say to
    DP> China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different from
    DP> southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South cannot
    DP> understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language (only the
    DP> writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than Russian to
    DP> Ukraine.

    Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some
    people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing them
    -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian nationalists
    are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.

    Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in
    Russia.

    <skipped>
    DP> Nazaroff calls Ukranian here a "pig language". This is what I am
    DP> talking about. Russian imperialism is bad thing for everyone, for
    DP> Russians also. The Russians now are killing Russians. People from
    DP> Moscow rot on battelfields in Ukraine.

    As well as Ukrainians, who also cannot refuse from being mobilized by Zelensky. BTW what country are you now, so sure for not being mobilized?

    DP> What's the purpose of this massacre?

    Idiots have started it, there is only two purposes in this war -- to
    make Ukrainians from Russians (a idiotic nationalistic point), and the
    demand to leave Russians alone in Ukraine. The second one is much less
    idiotic than the first.

    Bye, Dmitry!
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Mon Oct 24 15:43:09 2022
    Operation Paperclip was done *AFTER* the war (we were talking about WW2, just in case you forgot).

    And *you* seem to forget that the war in Europe ended three months before that in the Pacific? Even two months before the first atomic bomb (Trinity) first proved to work? And how many months before May 1945 do you think German scientists started moving west?

    Most of all, you perfectly well demonstrate what a shallow take on history you are getting. You are in dire need of studying up on German as well as Japanese nuclear development during WWII. Like e.g. something about the leading figure in the Japanese atomic program, Dr. Yoshio Nishina, a close associate of Niels Bohr and a contemporary of Albert Einstein.

    No, sir, I think we can all be thankful that the Germans as well as the Japanese ran out of fuel, troops and other supplies just in the nick of time. BOC, you will never want to hear anything about *that*, right...?


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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Oct 24 17:56:04 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Monday October 24 2022 14:19, you wrote to me:

    We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they
    still have exams in Russian. On paper we are federation but
    reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

    I say to you again -- the quantity matters. In a small village all
    people possibly wanted a movie theatre, but nowhere nobody will build
    it.

    But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in schools?
    Why?

    Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
    never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

    Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,

    No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple languages.
    Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark.
    I had no problem with English in Denmark but their offical language is Danish.

    Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.

    But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

    Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some
    people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing
    them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian

    It's a stupid word - "fascism". In Russian it means "fuck you very much". It has no real meaning because it was destroyed by propaganda.

    nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.

    But you arguments were nonsense because you are just

    Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in
    Russia.

    He is doing much worse.
    Ukranian children from occupied territories were sent to new families in Russia, without finding or asking their parents.
    It's another way of Russification of Ukraine.

    Nazaroff calls Ukranian here a "pig language". This is what I am
    talking about. Russian imperialism is bad thing for everyone,
    for Russians also. The Russians now are killing Russians. People
    from Moscow rot on battelfields in Ukraine.

    As well as Ukrainians, who also cannot refuse from being mobilized by

    They are defending their country is at this moment are doing great.
    Russian army is moving back.

    Zelensky. BTW what country are you now, so sure for not being
    mobilized?

    I cannot be sure, but do you know that Russian is corrupt from top to bottom? :)
    The prices are already well known. You think that military guys who stole 1,5 mln uniforms won't take money from people that don't want be killed? ;)

    What's the purpose of this massacre?

    Idiots have started it, there is only two purposes in this war -- to

    Idiots created USSR, you mean that?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Oct 25 08:00:46 2022
    Hello Björn,

    I never knew sex was a crime in Sweden.

    This was about rape.

    Rape is a crime of violence. Sex is an act of love.

    I know that in most countries a "no" from a woman really means "yes please".
    But not in Sweden.

    A "no" is a "no" is a "no" - in every language and in every country.

    Try to rape a Swedish girl and all hell will come down upon you.

    The two Swedish gals I knew back in college days made sure of that.
    Both knew how to handle themselves, and never had a real problem.
    Problem is, in this country many women choose not to even report an
    incident, and rapists go on to rape others without ever getting
    caught.

    Our phones are open 24/7 if you want to report a violation of our girl's freedom to choose with whom they have intercourse with.

    Victims often never recover, and have little support from society,
    or in many cases their own family. We have a former president who
    regards women as being nothing more than playthings, and has been
    accused by many of being a rapist. But he will never be charged
    or prosecuted for any crime. And the women he had fun with will
    never receive a single red cent in damages ...

    That is the single most important reason why *reported* rapes are as high as
    it is in Sweden. BOC, men with erectile problems will never want to hear anything about it. "A fuck is a fuck, leave it with that."

    Now we know Trump's alibi. Thanks for telling. :)

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Oct 25 08:00:54 2022
    Hello Björn,

    Oh, yes, I realize the contribution that German scientists (who came to
    the US by their own choice) made to the US war efforts.

    Oh, yes, those German scientists "technically" came by their own choice.

    Of course they did. Everybody loves America.

    The two choices 1600 German scientists had between going with the secret
    US Operation Paperclip, without even the Allied leaders, or of course the US people, being informed anything about it, and, the other choice: going to Nürnberg, standing trial for all the war crimes they'd committed.

    And given very lenient sentences.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Oct 25 08:01:01 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    [..]

    village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak
    their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse
    from it. In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine
    had been until the coup in 2014.

    Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
    never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

    Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs, business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.

    The state of Louisiana has two official languages - French and English.
    The reason why is because many people in the state speak French, and
    many people in the state speak English. Some even speak both French and English, making them truly bilingual.

    The USA has no official language. Even though most people in the USA
    speak English. So how does one go about eliminating a language that
    officially does not exist?

    It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say to
    China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different from
    southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South cannot
    understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language (only the
    writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than Russian to
    Ukraine.

    Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.

    What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so do
    not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to post your
    own definition. Whatever that might be.

    Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in Russia.

    What fascist things? Remember, he is the one who is calling Zelensky
    a fascist. Not just any ordinary fascist, but a Nazi Jew. Whatever that
    is.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue Oct 25 09:01:50 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 24.10.2022 17:56

    DP>>> We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they
    DP>>> still have exams in Russian. On paper we are federation but
    DP>>> reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".

    ak>> I say to you again -- the quantity matters. In a small village all
    ak>> people possibly wanted a movie theatre, but nowhere nobody will
    ak>> build it.

    DP> But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in
    DP> schools? Why?

    They cannot use it in Russia - it is a very small language, the same
    thing is with Eskimos people. But in Ukraine all the east and south
    speaks Russian. Quite a different story.

    DP>>> Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
    DP>>> never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.

    ak>> Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,

    DP> No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple languages.
    DP> Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark. I had no problem
    DP> with English in Denmark but their offical language is Danish.

    No, it is rubbish. A real bilingual example is Canadian Quebec.
    Ukraine must admit, that those Russian people from the USSR are still
    Russians and must stop making a forceful assimilation.

    ak>> Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new
    ak>> authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming
    ak>> to power.

    DP> But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

    You don't follow the news -- the Ukraine officials tell about complete elimination of the Russian language in Ukraine in the future. It is
    there aim from 2014.

    http://www.frontnews.ge/en/news/details/44456

    <skipped>
    ak>> Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist
    ak>> things in Russia.


    DP> He is doing much worse. Ukranian children from occupied territories
    DP> were sent to new families in Russia, without finding or asking
    DP> their parents. It's another way of Russification of Ukraine.

    Stinky propaganda cakes. People are being evacuate because of Ukraine
    constant shelling, that even today kills a lot of civilian people. And certainly the war zone is not a place for children to be in. But it is a
    lie that they are taken from their parent forcefully, without parent's consent.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Oct 25 10:14:50 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 25.10.2022 09:01

    ak>> Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,
    ak>> business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in
    ak>> Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new
    ak>> authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming
    ak>> to power.

    LL> The state of Louisiana has two official languages - French and
    LL> English. The reason why is because many people in the state speak
    LL> French, and many people in the state speak English. Some even speak
    LL> both French and English, making them truly bilingual.

    LL> The USA has no official language. Even though most people in the
    LL> USA speak English. So how does one go about eliminating a language
    LL> that officially does not exist?

    In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine
    themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture, and this
    fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the nationalism is
    western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak Ukrainian, and they
    think that all the people in Ukraine must be like them.

    DP>>> It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say
    DP>>> to China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different
    DP>>> from southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South
    DP>>> cannot understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language
    DP>>> (only the writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than
    DP>>> Russian to Ukraine.

    ak>> Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when
    ak>> some people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not
    ak>> hearing them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why
    ak>> Ukrainian nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are
    ak>> fascists.

    LL> What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so do
    LL> not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to post
    LL> your own definition. Whatever that might be.

    Fascism was brightly shown in Italy and Germany. It looks like this -- a certain politician (as a rule a psychopath) declares his an idee fixe
    and organises a popular movement consisting of aggressive groups of his followers who are marching along the streets, hold rallies, intimidate opponents, make a special list of those who don't support them etc. At
    some point they even can come to your house and teach you how you must
    live from now on, wagging with baseball bats. At some point it becomes
    simply dangerous to hold your own policy if you don't support the
    mentioned fucking guys. At some point they simply can bit you even for a critical article in the newspaper which didn't praise them.
    All these things have burst into blossom in Ukraine, especially after
    2014, although they were there before, too. That's why the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are not only Nazi, but it is more correct to call
    them Nazi-fascists. There is no place to stamp a word "democracy" on
    their body, unless you hate Russia so much that everyone who hates it
    becomes your friend. It was the position of the West during the events
    in Kiev in 2014.

    It is not a coincidence that they have been demolishing now the
    monuments of the Soviet soldiers fallen in WW2. The German Nazi-fascist
    ideas are very close to them. The matter is not in the invasion of
    modern Russia -- the matter is in the revenge to those who fought
    fascism in WW2. And those to collaborate with Nazi during WW2 becomes
    heroes for the modern Ukrainian Nazi-fascists.

    ak>> Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist
    ak>> things in Russia.

    LL> What fascist things? Remember, he is the one who is calling
    LL> Zelensky a fascist. Not just any ordinary fascist, but a Nazi Jew.
    LL> Whatever that is.

    I hope I have conveyed to you my idea on this account.

    Bye, Lee!
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Oct 25 14:27:20 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday October 25 2022 09:01, you wrote to me:

    But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in
    schools? Why?

    They cannot use it in Russia - it is a very small language, the same

    It's a very common language in Chechnya. Almost 100% of local population speaks it.
    Your life without Chechen there will be very difficlut.

    thing is with Eskimos people. But in Ukraine all the east and south

    Eskimos people in Russia almost lost their languages because of politics of Russification.

    speaks Russian. Quite a different story.

    The same, actually. Chechens use Russian in schools but always use their native language anywhere else.

    No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple
    languages. Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark. I
    had no problem with English in Denmark but their offical
    language is Danish.

    No, it is rubbish. A real bilingual example is Canadian Quebec.

    Probably you've never visited truly bilingual countrues, like Congo.
    They have French as official language but only about 50% of people use it as native language.

    And nobody became French because of that! ;) You cannot change your ethnic group by using Ukranian language if you want to be Russian.
    It's nonsense.

    But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

    You don't follow the news -- the Ukraine officials tell about complete
    elimination of the Russian language in Ukraine in the future. It is
    there aim from 2014.

    It's like drop of popularity of German leanguage when German forces invaded Russia.
    Russian became language of mass killers, very unpleasent situation. But people still use Russian every day in Ukraine. And no one is punished for talking in Russian, you can find a lot of video clips on youtube where Ukranian soldiers speak Russian.
    And yes, if Russia will continue killing Ukranians - our language will be more and more language of death, very sad..

    He is doing much worse. Ukranian children from occupied
    territories were sent to new families in Russia, without finding
    or asking their parents. It's another way of Russification of
    Ukraine.

    Stinky propaganda cakes. People are being evacuate because of Ukraine constant shelling, that even today kills a lot of civilian people. And
    certainly the war zone is not a place for children to be in. But it
    is a lie that they are taken from their parent forcefully, without parent's consent.

    No one seeks for their families. So you are just unaware of the situation because Russian propaganda never talks about it: if you've lost you daughter for a day after the shelling - it's a high chance that she will be taken to Russia and sent to new familiy.
    No one will try to find you, Russia don't even search for it's soldiers, nobody cares about lost families, separated during mass shelling of the cities.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Oct 25 23:34:06 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday October 25 2022 10:14, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture, and
    this fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the nationalism

    There is a problem - there is nothing like "Russian culture" that is fully independent from Ukranian culture.
    Our cultures are very integrated into each other.
    That's why Zelensky was very popular in Russia as an actor.

    is western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak Ukrainian, and
    they think that all the people in Ukraine must be like them.

    Not really. The main driving force is not a Western Ukraine.
    The main reason is currupt Russia. Nobody wants to be like Russia.
    In Russia police will fuck you in the ass (a lot of examples of such behaviour), will beat you, road police will be asking for money from truck drivers,
    the main fundation of modern Russia is a greed for money and power.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wed Oct 26 00:10:42 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,
    business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in
    Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new
    authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming
    to power.

    The state of Louisiana has two official languages - French and
    English. The reason why is because many people in the state speak
    French, and many people in the state speak English. Some even speak
    both French and English, making them truly bilingual.

    The USA has no official language. Even though most people in the
    USA speak English. So how does one go about eliminating a language
    that officially does not exist?

    In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture, and this fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the nationalism is western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak Ukrainian, and they think that all the people in Ukraine must be like them.

    A lingistic map of Ukraine shows where most who speak Russian
    are, and most who speak Ukraine are. But all Ukrainians can speak
    the language of their choice anywhere in Ukraine.

    It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say
    to China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different
    from southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South
    cannot understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language
    (only the writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than
    Russian to Ukraine.

    Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when
    some people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not
    hearing them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why
    Ukrainian nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are
    fascists.

    What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so do
    not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to post
    your own definition. Whatever that might be.

    Fasism was brightly shown in Italy and Germany. It looks like this -- a certain politician (as a rule a psychopath) declares his an idee fixe
    and organises a popular movement consisting of aggressive groups of his followers who are marching along the streets, hold rallies, intimidate opponents, make a special list of those who don't support them etc. At some point they even can come to your house and teach you how you must live from now on, wagging with baseball bats. At some point it becomes simply dangerous to hold your own policy if you don't support the mentioned fucking guys. At some point they simply can bit you even for a critical article in the newspaper which didn't praise them.
    All these things have burst into blossom in Ukraine, especially after 2014, although they were there before, too. That's why the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are not only Nazi, but it is more correct to call
    them Nazi-fascists. There is no place to stamp a word "democracy" on
    their body, unless you hate Russia so much that everyone who hates it becomes your friend. It was the position of the West during the events
    in Kiev in 2014.

    Fascism is not vigilantism. Although vigilantism is tolerated, and
    encouraged. I define it as the period beteen WWI and WWII, when Benito Mussolini (a former socialist) created a new ideology as a reaction
    to capitalist ideas of England, Italy, and especially the US. The
    national socialism of Germany (Nazism) was more of a personality
    cult (with Adolf Hitler at the center) rather than an ideology.

    FDR praised Benito Mussolini, and thought he was really on to
    something. Until Mussolini went sideways and endorsed Hitler.

    It is not a coincidence that they have been demolishing now the
    monuments of the Soviet soldiers fallen in WW2. The German Nazi-fascist ideas are very close to them. The matter is not in the invasion of
    modern Russia -- the matter is in the revenge to those who fought
    fascism in WW2. And those to collaborate with Nazi during WW2 becomes heroes for the modern Ukrainian Nazi-fascists.

    When the regime of Saddam Hussein came to an end, Iraqis toppled
    statues of the dictator, along with all other monuments of his era.
    Does that make Iraqis fascists or nazis? Many of those same Iraqis
    turned on those who freed them from their dictator. And we all know
    what happened to the dictator himself.

    There are many Ukrainians who fought along side with Russians as part
    of the Soviet army, and remain proud of what they did. So why would
    they, or other Ukrainians, want to destroy what they themselves were
    most proud of?

    Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist
    things in Russia.

    What fascist things? Remember, he is the one who is calling
    Zelensky a fascist. Not just any ordinary fascist, but a Nazi Jew.
    Whatever that is.

    I hope I have conveyed to you my idea on this account.

    Calling people names and acts of violence is not fascism.
    If fascism is a description of an ideology that existed in
    Italy between WWI and WWII, then no description of fascism
    would be apt to describe what passes for fascism today.

    We had an orange clown who liked to call people names.
    Such as "little rocket man" and "sleepy eyed Joe" etc.
    Not to mention entire peoples, such as Mexicans and
    Chinese. But does that make him a fascist? Or a nazi?
    What about a "semi-fascist"? Would that count?

    Acts of violence, such as the riot on January 6 at the Capital,
    is not fascism. Even with the president egging the crowd on.

    The US under Trump was a personality cult.
    Just like Germany under Hitler was.
    The only real difference being Trump's own incompetence.

    Benito Mussolini was competent as a leader, and knew what he was doing.
    Today, a new Italian leader has emerged. An old-school fascist, just
    like il Duce, only female. One who really knows what she is doing.

    Adolf Hitler was also competent, and knew what made people tick.
    Even after the war, Germans failed to understand why their schools
    were bombed, why their hospitals were bombed, why their cities were
    bombed. They did not have a clue about what really happened to their
    Jewish neighbors, thinking they had all relocated to Palestine ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed Oct 26 08:56:00 2022
    Hello Dmitry!

    ** On Tuesday 25.10.22 - 14:27, you wrote to ak:

    [...] And yes, if Russia will continue killing Ukranians -
    our language will be more and more language of death, very
    sad..

    Profoundly said.

    Rus language had a bad taste in the mouth among my previous gen
    Lats who ended up in displacement camps or sought new life
    overseas because of the Rus invasion during WW2.
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thu Oct 27 08:59:25 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 25.10.2022 14:27

    DP>>> But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in
    DP>>> schools? Why?

    ak>> They cannot use it in Russia - it is a very small language, the
    ak>> same

    DP> It's a very common language in Chechnya. Almost 100% of local
    DP> population speaks it. Your life without Chechen there will be very
    DP> difficlut.

    People of some village also 100% probably want a new movie-theatre. But
    they will not get it. It is like a feet and toes. You can go on feet bit
    never on a toe.

    DP> The same, actually. Chechens use Russian in schools but always use
    DP> their native language anywhere else.

    It is strange what you don't understand the difference. Probably you
    don't want.

    DP>>> No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple
    DP>>> languages. Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark. I
    DP>>> had no problem with English in Denmark but their offical language
    DP>>> is Danish.

    ak>> No, it is rubbish. A real bilingual example is Canadian Quebec.

    DP> Probably you've never visited truly bilingual countrues, like
    DP> Congo. They have French as official language but only about 50% of

    ;=)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Oct 27 09:19:06 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 26.10.2022 01:10

    ak>> In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine
    ak>> themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture,
    ak>> and this fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the
    ak>> nationalism is western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak
    ak>> Ukrainian, and they think that all the people in Ukraine must be
    ak>> like them.

    LL> A lingistic map of Ukraine shows where most who speak Russian are,
    LL> and most who speak Ukraine are. But all Ukrainians can speak the
    LL> language of their choice anywhere in Ukraine.

    They could until 2014. New laws has had clearly anti-Russian
    connotation. But more of that -- Russian speakers pressed to stop using
    it, even in the areas of there living. The Russian language restriction
    laws have not been _implemented_ yet, and somebody can mistakenly say
    that people can speak Russian in Ukraine freely.

    <skipped>
    LL>>> What is fascism? Do you even have a clue? Most people don't, so
    LL>>> do not feel as if I am picking on you. So please. Feel free to
    LL>>> post your own definition. Whatever that might be.

    ak>> Fasism was brightly shown in Italy and Germany. It looks like
    ak>> this -- a certain politician (as a rule a psychopath) declares his
    ak>> an idee fixe and organises a popular movement consisting of
    ak>> aggressive groups of his followers who are marching along the
    ak>> streets, hold rallies, intimidate opponents, make a special list
    ak>> of those who don't support them etc. At some point they even can
    ak>> come to your house and teach you how you must live from now on,
    ak>> wagging with baseball bats. At some point it becomes simply
    ak>> dangerous to hold your own policy if you don't support the
    ak>> mentioned fucking guys. At some point they simply can bit you even
    ak>> for a critical article in the newspaper which didn't praise them.
    ak>> All these things have burst into blossom in Ukraine, especially
    ak>> after 2014, although they were there before, too. That's why the
    ak>> Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are not only Nazi, but it is more
    ak>> correct to call them Nazi-fascists. There is no place to stamp a
    ak>> word "democracy" on their body, unless you hate Russia so much
    ak>> that everyone who hates it becomes your friend. It was the
    ak>> position of the West during the events in Kiev in 2014.

    LL> Fascism is not vigilantism. Although vigilantism is tolerated, and
    LL> encouraged. I define it as the period beteen WWI and WWII, when
    LL> Benito Mussolini (a former socialist) created a new ideology as a
    LL> reaction to capitalist ideas of England, Italy, and especially the
    LL> US. The national socialism of Germany (Nazism) was more of a
    LL> personality cult (with Adolf Hitler at the center) rather than an
    LL> ideology.

    The main feature of fascism is -- a small groups of fucking radicals can change of the country. You probably don't understand how easily a small
    gang can take controls of a big city.

    LL> FDR praised Benito Mussolini, and thought he was really on to
    LL> something. Until Mussolini went sideways and endorsed Hitler.

    ak>> It is not a coincidence that they have been demolishing now the
    ak>> monuments of the Soviet soldiers fallen in WW2. The German Nazi-
    ak>> fascist ideas are very close to them. The matter is not in the
    ak>> invasion of modern Russia -- the matter is in the revenge to those
    ak>> who fought fascism in WW2. And those to collaborate with Nazi
    ak>> during WW2 becomes heroes for the modern Ukrainian Nazi-fascists.

    LL> When the regime of Saddam Hussein came to an end, Iraqis toppled
    LL> statues of the dictator, along with all other monuments of his era.
    LL> Does that make Iraqis fascists or nazis? Many of those same Iraqis
    LL> turned on those who freed them from their dictator. And we all know
    LL> what happened to the dictator himself.

    The tyranny of a person is not fascism.

    <skipped>
    LL> Acts of violence, such as the riot on January 6 at the Capital, is
    LL> not fascism. Even with the president egging the crowd on.

    No, of course it is not. The main feature of fascism is active political groups who try to bring their order to the country and oppress the
    opponents violently. Lat: Fascio - a group, bundle with an axe within.
    And the intimidated people prefer to live according new rules.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to August Abolins on Thu Oct 27 09:30:00 2022
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 26.10.2022 15:56

    DP>> [...] And yes, if Russia will continue killing Ukranians -
    DP>> our language will be more and more language of death, very
    DP>> sad..
    AA> Profoundly said.
    AA> Rus language had a bad taste in the mouth among my previous gen
    AA> Lats who ended up in displacement camps or sought new life
    AA> overseas because of the Rus invasion during WW2.

    Do you think that in Baltic states of those times there weren't people
    who wished communism and joining the USSR? As far as I know there were elections there and as the result was the joining to the USSR.
    You will NOT say that the USSR invaded Baltic states as it did in
    Poland. But of course you will say that those elections were dishonest.
    :) But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted Communism and
    searched for ways to implement it. Even in the Baltic states.

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Oct 27 09:08:56 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday October 27 2022 08:59, you wrote to me:

    It's a very common language in Chechnya. Almost 100% of local
    population speaks it. Your life without Chechen there will be
    very difficlut.

    People of some village also 100% probably want a new movie-theatre.
    But they will not get it. It is like a feet and toes. You can go on
    feet bit never on a toe.

    They won't get movie-theatre because they are in decline in Russia and most of them will close soon - they are not getttng enough profit for survival.
    West banned their new films and people don't want to watch new Russian movies there.

    The same, actually. Chechens use Russian in schools but always
    use their native language anywhere else.

    It is strange what you don't understand the difference. Probably you
    don't want.

    Or because you just don't have arguments :) Russian is the only language allowed for State exams in schools in Russia.
    Even for people who will use othe languages 99% of the time during their lives.

    Probably you've never visited truly bilingual countrues, like
    Congo. They have French as official language but only about 50%
    of

    ;=)

    Do you really think that full scale war with Ukraine is good for Russian language?


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Oct 27 10:18:14 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday October 27 2022 09:30, you wrote to August Abolins:

    :) But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted Communism and searched for ways to implement it. Even in the Baltic states.

    And in just 1 year they wanted to join German forces. And then again, wanted Communism..


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed Oct 26 23:56:09 2022
    Hi, Dmitry! Recently you wrote in a message to alexander koryagin:

    Bilingual it is when two languages are equal
    in state affairs,

    No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak
    multiple languages.


    Ah, now I think we're getting somewhere.

    Some say folks from the West don't understand... but if they tell me it's now illegal to use Russian in Ukraine I find it difficult to believe that. Here in Canada we have two official languages, English & French. If you prefer to use another language at home or on the street or in the local pub you can do it with impunity. And in this province at least you can easily obtain services from local merchants & banks in Cantonese, Mandarin Chinese, Punjabi, etc. You can also ask for an interpreter when e.g. you have a child in hospital.... :-)


    My CANADIAN OXFORD DICTIONARY defines "bilingual" as:

    1. Able to speak two languages, esp. fluently

    2. Spoken or written in or involving two languages.

    It appears to me that many people who live in Ukraine speak either Ukrainian or Russian as the situation warrants (definition #1, which is basically how you're interpreting the word). Definition #1 pertains to human beings. The "official language/s" of some country or other (definition #2) is a different matter. As Alexander says, it pertains to state affairs & to just about anything spoken or written in two languages. But IMHO it's a large leap to suggest the neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking unnecessarily over the "official language" issue.

    Thanks to you both for your help in clarifying these things.... :-)




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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Ardith Hinton on Thu Oct 27 09:56:28 2022
    Here in Canada we have two official languages, English & French.

    Here in Belgium we have three: dutch, french and german. The use of languages is territorially restricted for practical purposes so schools will adhere to the local language but merchants will try to accomodate you. Filing a police report and you only know english? No problem. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian refugess in the country speaking only ukrainian or russian ... not a problem ... people getting jobs, kids going to school and quickly learning the language here ... there are cases where l'amour is also happening ...

    Language is not the reason for the Ukrainian invasion ... it's one of the many ridiculous excuzes.

    The day after tomorrow I'm flying to Calgary with my granddaughter ... the official parental consent from her mother to travel with gramps is delivered by the municipality quadrilingual, so is my passport, driver's license, ...

    21st century ...

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thu Oct 27 14:12:44 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 27.10.2022 09:08

    DP>>> Probably you've never visited truly bilingual
    DP>>> countrues, like Congo. They have French as official
    DP>>> language but only about 50% of
    ak>> ;=)
    DP> Do you really think that full scale war with Ukraine is good
    DP> for Russian language?

    Of course the language issue is not only one. Probably, even most
    important had been the violation of rights of eastern, southern parts of Ukraine and Crimea by illegal deposing of the elected Ukraine president Yanukovich, who had been elected mainly by these people. This issue is
    quite enough for not recognizing the new authority in Kiev.

    Suppose, that the US Police and army would have not dispersed Trumps' supporters around the Capital and they would have dismissed Bidon from presidency. It would have been the casus belli for Civil war in the USA.
    One part would not have accepted it, another one would have started
    using military to suppress those who refuse. There is a difference,
    however -- supporters of Tramp and Bidon are scattered across the
    country, but in Ukraine the supporters of Yanukovich all lived together,
    in the same areas (east, south, Crimea).

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed Oct 26 01:36:06 2022
    On 10-25-22 09:01, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Dmitry Protasoff about Speaking German <=-

    But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.

    You don't follow the news -- the Ukraine officials tell about complete elimination of the Russian language in Ukraine in the future. It is
    there aim from 2014.

    http://www.frontnews.ge/en/news/details/44456

    That article does not support your claim. It says that a cabinet member (Danilov) made such a statement -- but not that it was policy of
    Ukraine nor that the statement was supported by Zelensky nor by anyone
    else in the government.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Oct 27 15:43:50 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday October 27 2022 14:12, you wrote to me:

    Of course the language issue is not only one. Probably, even most important had been the violation of rights of eastern, southern parts
    of Ukraine and Crimea by illegal deposing of the elected Ukraine
    president Yanukovich, who had been elected mainly by these people.
    This issue is quite enough for not recognizing the new authority in
    Kiev.

    But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine?
    BTW, are you going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill Ukranians?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ardith Hinton on Thu Oct 27 18:36:52 2022
    Hello, Ardith!

    Wednesday October 26 2022 23:56, you wrote to me:

    Some say folks from the West don't understand... but if
    they tell me it's now illegal to use Russian in Ukraine I find it

    But how it could be illegal when Ukranian officials use Russian language in their interviews?
    Predident Zelensky is a good example.

    It appears to me that many people who live in Ukraine speak either Ukrainian or Russian as the situation warrants (definition #1, which
    is basically how you're interpreting the word). Definition #1
    pertains to human beings. The "official language/s" of some country
    or other (definition #2) is a different matter. As Alexander says, it pertains to state affairs & to just about anything spoken or written
    in two languages. But IMHO it's a large leap to suggest the

    Russian language is not forbidden in Ukraine, you just can't expect to have service in Russian when someone prefer Ukranian.
    It's like English in Russia.

    neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking unnecessarily over

    It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian nationalist leaders on youtube in Russian :)

    The real problem is that current war has nothing to do with language. It's about a "revenge", about taking back what was "ours" during Soviet and Russian Imperial era. And the main driver behind those events - is Putin himself, who is talking exactly like Hitler - "we were forced to start this war".
    And big part of population is brainwashed by State owned media for many years. We are always taking something from the West - communism, for example :) Now our country decided to cosplay Nazi Reich with some local adaptations.
    God help us all! :)



    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri Oct 28 11:23:53 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 27.10.2022 18:36

    AH>> Some say folks from the West don't understand... but if they tell
    AH>> me it's now illegal to use Russian in Ukraine I find it

    DP> But how it could be illegal when Ukranian officials use Russian
    DP> language in their interviews? Predident Zelensky is a good example.

    In the hard times even Stalin addressed the Soviet people in the
    Orthodox Church way -- in addition to "comrades" he started to add
    "bothers and sisters", although he had persecuted the church before
    heavily. But the new Ukrainian laws tell unambiguously -- Ukrainian
    language must be used in all state affairs, plants, transport etc. It is
    a usual hypocrisy to attract Russian people.

    AH>> It appears to me that many people who live in Ukraine speak either
    AH>> Ukrainian or Russian as the situation warrants (definition #1,
    AH>> which is basically how you're interpreting the word). Definition
    AH>> #1 pertains to human beings. The "official language/s" of some
    AH>> country or other (definition #2) is a different matter. As
    AH>> Alexander says, it pertains to state affairs & to just about
    AH>> anything spoken or written in two languages. But IMHO it's a large
    AH>> leap to suggest the

    DP> Russian language is not forbidden in Ukraine, you just can't expect
    DP> to have service in Russian when someone prefer Ukranian. It's like
    DP> English in Russia.

    To be exact they still cannot implement their own laws.

    AH>> neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian at
    AH>> all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking unnecessarily
    AH>> over

    DP> It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian nationalist leaders
    DP> on youtube in Russian :)

    It is easier to become a janissary than become a rebel fighting for his nation. ;-\

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Oct 28 12:35:14 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Friday October 28 2022 11:23, you wrote to me:

    But how it could be illegal when Ukranian officials use Russian
    language in their interviews? Predident Zelensky is a good
    example.

    In the hard times even Stalin addressed the Soviet people in the
    Orthodox Church way -- in addition to "comrades" he started to add "bothers and sisters", although he had persecuted the church before

    It you check Stalin's speeches more carefully you'll see that words "brothers and sisters" were used to describe those who lived under german occupation.
    They were prosecuted heavily when Soviet army liberated those territories. Another example of Stalin's lie.

    heavily. But the new Ukrainian laws tell unambiguously -- Ukrainian language must be used in all state affairs, plants, transport etc. It
    is a usual hypocrisy to attract Russian people.

    The law says that Ukranian is an official language, that's all.
    As a citizen you'll have a right to get State's services in Ukranian. But if someone will be ready to talk to you in Russia - it's ok as long as you are not against that.

    Russian language is not forbidden in Ukraine, you just can't
    expect to have service in Russian when someone prefer Ukranian.
    It's like English in Russia.

    To be exact they still cannot implement their own laws.

    ?????

    neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian
    at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking
    unnecessarily over

    It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian nationalist
    leaders on youtube in Russian :)

    It is easier to become a janissary than become a rebel fighting for
    his nation. ;-\

    But using word "janissary" you want to remind us that Turkey is supporting Ukraine and Putin can't do anything about it? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri Oct 28 13:13:53 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 28.10.2022 12:35

    DP>>> It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian
    DP>>> nationalist leaders on youtube in Russian :)
    ak>> It is easier to become a janissary than become a rebel
    ak>> fighting for his nation. ;-\
    DP> But using word "janissary" you want to remind us that Turkey is
    DP> supporting Ukraine and Putin can't do anything about it? :)

    If we recalled history, the most cruel atrocities against Serbs
    committed brainwashed Serbs - janissary. "Janissary" describes best of
    all the people who forget their origin. Indeed, for instance being a a Ukrainian policeman helping German troops in WW2 was less dangerous than fighting with Germans.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Oct 28 13:19:52 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Friday October 28 2022 13:13, you wrote to me:

    But using word "janissary" you want to remind us that Turkey is
    supporting Ukraine and Putin can't do anything about it? :)

    If we recalled history, the most cruel atrocities against Serbs
    committed brainwashed Serbs - janissary. "Janissary" describes best of

    They were taken away to Turkey, just like Russia is moving Ukranian childred out of the country.
    Looks like Putin and his friends took all terrible things from the past and implemented them in Ukraine.

    all the people who forget their origin. Indeed, for instance being a
    a Ukrainian policeman helping German troops in WW2 was less dangerous
    than fighting with Germans.

    Especially when NKVD (People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs) killed your relatives in 1930s purges.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Fri Oct 28 18:13:00 2022
    Hello alexander!

    ** On Thursday 27.10.22 - 09:30, you wrote to me:

    Do you think that in Baltic states of those times there
    weren't people who wished communism and joining the USSR?
    As far as I know there were elections there and as the
    result was the joining to the USSR.

    Ah.. your "As far as I know" is telling. I don't know of any
    such electons/voting. I think you are spinning baloney.


    ..But of course you will say that those elections were
    dishonest. :)

    Not at all. I will say - what elections? :/


    But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted
    Communism and searched for ways to implement it. Even in
    the Baltic states.


    Define "a lot". I suppose those who may have allegedly claimed
    they wanted it only said so to avoid being shot.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 31 13:22:46 2022
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 29.10.2022 01:13

    ak>> But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted
    ak>> Communism and searched for ways to implement it. Even in
    ak>> the Baltic states.
    AA> Define "a lot". I suppose those who may have allegedly claimed
    AA> ??they wanted it only said so to avoid being shot.

    You probably have forgotten the term "oppressed working class". Exactly
    these numerous people wanted and fought for Communism in 20th century,
    in Russia including. They were the majority in many countries. Denying
    it looks like closing your eyes at the fact that you don't like to see.
    More of that - the most trusted Bolshevik military guards were soldiers
    from Baltic states, particularly from Latvia (so called "Latyshskie
    strelki").

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon Oct 31 13:30:00 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 27.10.2022 15:43

    ak>> Of course the language issue is not only one. Probably,
    ak>> even most important had been the violation of rights of
    ak>> eastern, southern parts of Ukraine and Crimea by illegal
    ak>> deposing of the elected Ukraine president Yanukovich, who
    ak>> had been elected mainly by these people. This issue is
    ak>> quite enough for not recognizing the new authority in Kiev.

    DP> But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine?
    DP> BTW, are you going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill
    DP> Ukranians?

    The first mass killing had happened when Turchinov and Yachnuk (the coup leaders) ordered the Ukraine military aviation to bomb the building of
    Donetsk airport captured by those who didn't accept the new authority in
    Kiev. Dozens of people had been killed then. The corpses from the
    building were took out by trucks.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Oct 31 13:57:22 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Monday October 31 2022 13:30, you wrote to me:

    But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine?
    BTW, are you going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill
    Ukranians?

    The first mass killing had happened when Turchinov and Yachnuk (the
    coup leaders) ordered the Ukraine military aviation to bomb the
    building of Donetsk airport captured by those who didn't accept the

    You mean - when Russian saboteurs with help from local separatists captured airport?
    Imagine that something like this will happen in Russia. Everyone will be killed.

    Even talks in internet about referendum about separation from Russian state is punished by jail time. And you are talking about actual war that started with direct intervention from Russia!

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Oct 31 15:02:22 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday October 31 2022 13:22, you wrote to August Abolins:

    countries. Denying it looks like closing your eyes at the fact that
    you don't like to see. More of that - the most trusted Bolshevik
    military guards were soldiers from Baltic states, particularly from
    Latvia (so called "Latyshskie strelki").

    And a lot of Russians fought together with nazis during WW2.

    BTW, most of those Latvians were purged during 30s :) High price for beeing "most trusted guards", what do you think? ;)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue Nov 1 12:33:54 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 31.10.2022 15:02

    ak>> countries. Denying it looks like closing your eyes at the
    ak>> fact that you don't like to see. More of that - the most
    ak>> trusted Bolshevik military guards were soldiers from Baltic
    ak>> states, particularly from Latvia (so called "Latyshskie
    ak>> strelki").
    DP> And a lot of Russians fought together with nazis during WW2.
    DP> BTW, most of those Latvians were purged during 30s :) High
    DP> price for beeing "most trusted guards", what do you think? ;)

    Most Bolshvicks who had made 1917 revolution were also repressed during
    Stalin rule in 30s. But those repressions were not political
    repressions. They were from the field of psychiatry. Such thing always
    happen when a country is surrounded by enimies. It is very possible
    we'll see some of this kind in the modern Russia. Beware if you are
    going to return to Russia from your Poland camp. ;)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue Nov 1 12:38:51 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 31.10.2022 13:57


    DP>>> But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine? BTW, are you
    DP>>> going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill Ukranians?

    ak>> The first mass killing had happened when Turchinov and Yachnuk
    ak>> (the coup leaders) ordered the Ukraine military aviation to bomb
    ak>> the building of Donetsk airport captured by those who didn't
    ak>> accept the

    DP> You mean - when Russian saboteurs with help from local separatists
    DP> captured airport? Imagine that something like this will happen in
    DP> Russia. Everyone will be killed.

    I see why you justify sending Ukrainian troops to Donbass and killings
    there for 8 years. You should only undersatnd why those in Donbass had
    not agreed with such an approach.

    DP> Even talks in internet about referendum about separation from
    DP> Russian state is punished by jail time. And you are talking about
    DP> actual war that started with direct intervention from Russia!

    We compare two totalitarian states or a totalitarian state and a
    democratic one?

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Nov 1 13:11:52 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday November 01 2022 12:33, you wrote to me:

    And a lot of Russians fought together with nazis during WW2.
    BTW, most of those Latvians were purged during 30s :) High
    price for beeing "most trusted guards", what do you think? ;)

    Most Bolshvicks who had made 1917 revolution were also repressed
    during Stalin rule in 30s. But those repressions were not political

    Yes, because no one was safe in USSR.

    repressions. They were from the field of psychiatry. Such thing

    USSR as built as some madman's dream.

    always happen when a country is surrounded by enimies. It is very

    No always. Nothing like this happens in Israel.

    possible we'll see some of this kind in the modern Russia. Beware if

    We already see such things.

    you are going to return to Russia from your Poland camp. ;)

    I hope to see you going to war, Putin needs some more soldiers in Ukraine.
    When are going there?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Nov 1 13:17:12 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday November 01 2022 12:38, you wrote to me:

    You mean - when Russian saboteurs with help from local
    separatists captured airport? Imagine that something like this
    will happen in Russia. Everyone will be killed.

    I see why you justify sending Ukrainian troops to Donbass and killings

    Ukranian troops were there since 1991. Don't forget that.

    Even talks in internet about referendum about separation from
    Russian state is punished by jail time. And you are talking
    about actual war that started with direct intervention from
    Russia!

    We compare two totalitarian states or a totalitarian state and a democratic one?

    We compare country where you live and country which was attacked by country where you live.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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