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    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Mon Feb 13 01:45:30 2023
    It's awfully quiet in here ...

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  • From Drew Klenotic@1:226/1701 to Ward Dossche on Mon Feb 13 17:29:32 2023
    Are they even still doing the FidoGazette? I thought they had stopped
    with that.

    Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

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  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Drew Klenotic on Mon Feb 13 22:44:00 2023
    Hello Drew Klenotic!

    Are they even still doing the FidoGazette? I thought they
    had stopped with that.

    Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

    Most likely there is not even enough material for another
    newsletter to re-establish the FidoGazette. Most echos are
    devoid of interesting chatter. What kind of newsletter would
    reflect that? - an empty one perhaps. :(

    I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
    counts.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 14 08:20:52 2023
    Hello August,

    On Monday February 13 2023 22:44, you wrote to Drew Klenotic:

    Most likely there is not even enough material for another
    newsletter to re-establish the FidoGazette. Most echos are
    devoid of interesting chatter. What kind of newsletter would
    reflect that? - an empty one perhaps. :(

    The Fidogazette is dead. Let it rest in peace.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 14 10:26:53 2023
    August,

    I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
    counts.

    That's just the message count at one site ... I think.

    It is just as meaningful as somenone posting the route a particular echo follows ... that only is significant for that particular echo ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 14 11:04:11 2023
    Hi August,

    On 2023-02-13 22:44:00, you wrote to Drew Klenotic:

    I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
    counts.

    Just connect to the STATS echo, there are multiple echo mail lists showing counts every day. ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Feb 14 08:37:00 2023
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly
    message counts.

    Just connect to the STATS echo, there are multiple echo
    mail lists showing counts every day. ;-)

    I have. But..

    Janis' was the best design.
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    ../|ug

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 14 15:22:36 2023
    Hi August,

    On 2023-02-14 08:37:00, you wrote to me:

    I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly
    message counts.

    Just connect to the STATS echo, there are multiple echo
    mail lists showing counts every day. ;-)

    I have. But..

    Janis' was the best design.

    Maybe it's a matter of getting used to?

    Or else you will have to create your own. ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Feb 14 18:59:00 2023
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    Maybe it's a matter of getting used to?

    Getting used to the limited versions, yes. :(


    Or else you will have to create your own. ;-)

    As a "user" I cannot. But I seem to remember that the ones in
    STATS are quite limited and often just list the top-10 active
    ones only. Janis' at least covered most of the ELIST ones.
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    ../|ug

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  • From Drew Klenotic@1:226/1701 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 14 16:38:18 2023
    I would think that now, more than ever, those echo message counts would
    be important when deciding what echos are worth trying out.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 15 09:41:46 2023
    Hi August,

    On 2023-02-14 18:59:00, you wrote to me:

    Or else you will have to create your own. ;-)

    As a "user" I cannot. But I seem to remember that the ones in
    STATS are quite limited and often just list the top-10 active
    ones only. Janis' at least covered most of the ELIST ones.

    There are currently 4 active systems that post an echo area list. 2 Post only about the active echo's on their system. 2 Others post a complete list of all echo areas on their system. 1 Of those also posts a Top 10 list in the same message. And nothing much has changed in the last couple of years, so I think you remember it wrong...

    So I think all the information you want is there, but maybe not in the form you were used to by Janis.
    And Janis's was a big system, with most areas (which probably were mostly empty for a big part of them)...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 15 06:55:42 2023
    I have. But..

    Janis' was the best design.

    I will never understand "stats"... those that collect them, those that
    read them, the idea that one can judge whats a good echo or not based on
    an arbitrary number of posts. Especially busy-idiots who post them routinely as part of some stupid script out of a need to feel important.

    Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any interesting content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

    Nick

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Nick Andre on Wed Feb 15 17:37:00 2023
    Nick wrote (2023-02-15):

    I have. But..

    Janis' was the best design.

    I will never understand "stats"... those that collect them, those that read them, the idea that one can judge whats a good echo or not based on an arbitrary number of posts. Especially busy-idiots who post them routinely as part of some stupid script out of a need to feel important.

    Nick is the greatest ->whatever-comes-to-mind<-, everybody else's motivation sucks.

    Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any interesting content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

    q.e.d.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Oli on Wed Feb 15 14:46:26 2023
    On 15 Feb 23 17:37:00, Oli said the following to Nick Andre:

    Nick is the greatest ->whatever-comes-to-mind<-, everybody else's motivation sucks.

    Your "Next" key appears to stop working whenever you encounter my messages.

    I'll grab some popcorn while you get that fixed.

    Nick

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Wed Feb 15 16:51:00 2023
    Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any
    nteresting
    content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

    Indeed. Part of that depends on what you are interested in, of course.


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nick Andre on Wed Feb 15 19:43:00 2023
    Hello Nick!

    I will never understand "stats"... those that collect
    them, those that read them, the idea that one can judge
    whats a good echo or not based on an arbitrary number of
    posts. Especially busy-idiots who post them routinely as
    part of some stupid script out of a need to feel
    important.

    Granted, the stats of some of the echos are highly skewed with
    the repetative auto-posts with rules and stuff. However, it is
    good to have something to indicate that some life in them
    exists and that someone has an eye on them.


    Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any interesting content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

    I suppose it's a lot like tuning into a ham-radio channel and
    hope that someone is there to have a chat.

    The ELIST provides a healthy list of FTN echos. People simply
    need to contribute to the ones that they are interested to see
    spring with more life.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Feb 15 19:49:00 2023
    Hello Wilfred!

    [...] And nothing much has changed in the last
    couple of years, so I think you remember it wrong...

    Perhaps.

    There is one rather long stats list with quite a few echos.
    It's not too bad to work with.


    So I think all the information you want is there, but
    maybe not in the form you were used to by Janis. And
    Janis's was a big system, with most areas (which probably
    were mostly empty for a big part of them)...

    Echos are a chicken'n'egg situation. New users would most
    likely like to see what's in them (even if there hasn't been
    much stats activity in them) in order to determine viability of participation. But if an echo has none, then it can easily be
    skipped and ignored. But thankfully, %RESCAN can prove useful.

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    ../|ug

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 15 20:06:23 2023
    On 15 Feb 23 19:43:00, August Abolins said the following to Nick Andre:

    Granted, the stats of some of the echos are highly skewed with
    the repetative auto-posts with rules and stuff. However, it is
    good to have something to indicate that some life in them
    exists and that someone has an eye on them.

    I always felt that Word of mouth is best... its what makes things a bit more fun, that cooperative-anarchy. Anyone can start something and almost immediately find others to pick it up without any formal regimented process.

    Nick

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to August Abolins on Sat Feb 18 09:44:57 2023
    13 Feb 2023 22:44, you wrote to Drew Klenotic:

    I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
    counts.

    From my system, excluding non-English echos:

    2023-02-11 .. 2023-02-17

    128 STATS
    127 COOKING
    84 POLITICS
    76 SYNCHRONET
    60 SYNC_SYSOPS
    50 SYNC_PROGRAMMING
    25 FIDONET.TELEGRAM
    24 BINKD
    23 FIDOTEST
    21 MYSTIC
    19 WINPOINT
    18 FIDOGAZETTE
    15 FIDONEWS
    14 TAGLINES
    11 OTHERNETS
    9 CHAT
    8 NODELIST-POLICE
    7 FMAIL_HELP
    7 FTSC_PUBLIC
    7 MEMORIES
    6 ECHO_ADS
    6 MUSIC
    6 LINUX
    6 FIDOSOFT.HUSKY
    5 JAMNNTPD
    5 GOLDED
    4 FN_SYSOP
    4 ENET.SYSOP
    4 XPOINT
    4 AVIATION
    4 COFFEE_KLATSCH
    4 FUTURE4FIDO
    4 AFTERSHOCK
    3 ECHOLIST
    3 CANACHAT
    3 NET_DEV
    3 NZ_FIDONET
    3 INTERNET
    2 MOBILE
    2 DBRIDGE
    2 POINTS
    2 BBS_INTERNET
    1 UTF-8
    1 AMIGA
    1 WIN95
    1 BBS_CARNIVAL
    1 GENEALOGY
    1 ENGLISH_TUTOR
    1 MOVIES

    Carlos

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carlos Navarro on Sat Feb 18 10:16:52 2023
    Carlos,

    128 STATS
    127 COOKING

    Meaning 2/3 of what passes your system are statistics and cooking-recipes from a database which over the years have been posted at least 5 times.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Ward Dossche on Sat Feb 18 12:48:58 2023
    18 Feb 2023 10:16, you wrote to me:

    128 STATS
    127 COOKING

    Meaning 2/3 of what passes your system

    That list only includes English-speaking echos.

    are statistics and cooking-recipes from a database which over the
    years have been posted at least 5 times.

    There is some chatter in COOKING, not only recipes...

    Carlos

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to CARLOS NAVARRO on Sat Feb 18 09:33:00 2023
    are statistics and cooking-recipes from a database which over the
    years have been posted at least 5 times.

    There is some chatter in COOKING, not only recipes...

    Correct, and even many of the recipe posts have chatter in them.

    Mike


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