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A conversation was overheard between two clowns
in an obscure echo concerning another obscure echo -

Subject: BBBS ECHO
Date: Thu Oct 22 2015 02:22 am
From: BOB KLAHN
To: MARK LEWIS

There is a long story about Lee Lofaso and Bob Klahn
pulling a stunt in the coffee_klatsch echo many years ago.
It may date back to that. It may go back further than that.
I don't know. But it ended with Lee being disappointed and
unhappy.

He really knows nothing about it. The coffee-klatsch echo used
to be a very friendly discussion echo, focused mainly on having
fun and discussing anything that could be made fun of.

After a while participation dropped off, and eventually the echo
died and went unlisted. A couple years later Roger Nelson
revived the echo by using it, but didn't bother to relist it. I
suggested he should relist it several times, but he insisted
that was not necessary.

After a while Lee Lofaso tried to list the echo, but got
rejected because Nelson had relisted it just before he tried.

Some of the flamers on this echo have repeated the claim that
Lee had tried to hijack the echo, but it was not listed and the
new echolist was not out showing that Roger had listed it.

I had nothing to do with Lee listing the echo other than
recommending to Roger that he list the echo. Our fear was
flamers would get into the echo and take it over. Which some did
get in but Roger had listed it and let them know that he was the
moderator and it was a no flame echo. They left. Not one
remained.

However, the hostility the flamers stirred up, and their
repeated accusations, poisoned the prevously friendly
discussions in the echo, and a number of us left, including his
co-moderator, whose name I can't recall right now.

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"After a while Lee Lofaso tried to list the echo, but got
rejected because Nelson had relisted it just before he tried."

The echo was not listed. I relisted the echo. Joe Bruchis
posted the entry publicly, for all to see, in the echo itself.
A week or so later I emailed the password to Roger Nelson so
that he could list the echo for himself. Roger then posted
that entry publicly, for all to see, in the echo itself.

Ross Cassell, in his capacity as fidonet administrator,
and chief censor, deleted my previous listing of the echo.

Bob Klahn and Ross Cassell are working as a team. Their
latest endeavor is to steal this echo. Basically by using
the same means of deceit.

Only I'm not playing.

What was a joke in the coffee klasch echo was accepted as
being a joke, and everybody moved on and had a great time
afterwards.

But some people do not know when to stop, or how to
differentiate between what is important and what is not
important.

"Some of the flamers on this echo have repeated the claim that
Lee had tried to hijack the echo, but it was not listed and the
new echolist was not out showing that Roger had listed it."

Had that been the case, then Joe Bruchis would not have
been able to have posted the entry in the coffee klatsch
echo.

Those with archives can check out these facts for themselves.
Those without archives will just have to take my word for it.
After all, Ross Cassell has deleted the post that Joe Bruchis
made showing my listing of the coffee klastsch echo as having
been successful.

"I had nothing to do with Lee listing the echo other than
recommending to Roger that he list the echo. Our fear was
flamers would get into the echo and take it over. Which
some did get in but Roger had listed it and let them know
that he was the moderator and it was a no flame echo. They
left. Not one remained."

I listed the echo in order to save it, else Roger would
have lost it forever to the forces of evil. Had Bob kept
his mouth shut, or at least used netmail/email rather
than go about making public comments, there would have
been no need for me to have listed the echo. But that's
okay. I saved it. For Roger, and for everyone.

"However, the hostility the flamers stirred up, and their
repeated accusations, poisoned the prevously friendly
discussions in the echo, and a number of us left, including
his co-moderator, whose name I can't recall right now."

Frank Vest shut down his bbs and most never bothered to
return to fidonet. There never was a co-moderator, but
there is one individual who remained once everybody had
left - Roy Witt.

--Lee

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The echo was not listed. I relisted the echo. Joe Bruchis

I did not know that. I believe you are talking about it being
mentioned in the echolist echo. I didn't read that echo at that
time.

...

Bob Klahn and Ross Cassell are working as a team. Their
latest endeavor is to steal this echo. Basically by using

That is BS. Rather stupid at that. Reread what I wrote, I
defended you against the accusation that you stole Coffee
Klatch, and you pull this BS on me. You like stabbing people who
stood with you in the back?

...

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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Hello Bob,

The echo was not listed. I relisted the echo. Joe Bruchis

I did not know that.

Joe Bruchis posted it online, in the Coffee Klasch echo, for
all to see. If you were so blind as to not see it, it is nobody's
fault but your own.

I believe you are talking about it being mentioned in the echolist echo.

Of course it was in the echolist echo. Joe Bruchis posted
it in the Coffee Klatsch echo for all to see. What part of
that did you not understand?

I didn't read that echo at that time.

You were one of the participants. Had you kept your big fat
mouth shut and not said a word (or had written in private via
netmail or email), then it would not have been necessary for
me to have relisted the echo.

I am sure you meant well. But the road to hell is paved
with good intentions. I treated the issue as a joke. Which
it was. And that is exactly how Roger N viewed it (although
he was more shocked than anything when he first realized
I was not joking when I mentioned I was the moderator).

Bob Klahn and Ross Cassell are working as a team. Their
latest endeavor is to steal this echo. Basically by using

That is BS.

"I send everything to Ross." - Thom LaCosta

Thom LaCosta never had any real control of the echolist.
Neither does the present retard. Thom got tired of being
a puppet for Ross. Now a new one has been found to take
his place.

Ross C cannot steal this echo, or any other echo, through
an echolist. And neither can you. Even if you claim to be
doing so in his name (or anybody else's name).

I do not worship any echolist. And I sure as hell do not
worship Ross C (or any other fidonet administrator).

There is a reason why nobody outside of zone 1 takes the
echolist seriously. And fewer and fewer within zone 1 take
the echolist seriously. It is a joke.

There are too many dangers that can happen by keeping and
maintaining an echolist (if used for official purposes).
Censorship is an obvious danger. The present echolist has
been abused, and continues to be abused, for that purpose.

Rather stupid at that.

It takes a really stupid person to swear fealty to an echolist.
Or to Ross C. Or to any individual for that matter.

Reread what I wrote, I defended you against the accusation that you stole Coffee Klatch, and you pull this BS on me.

Nobody stole the Coffee Klatsch echo. It was a bunch of guys
(and at least two gals) having fun. A general chat echo, with
Roger N sitting around the campfire with everybody else enjoying
the pleasure of each other's company through banter. Even Frank
Vest (the sysop whose board I was using at the time) was a
participant and understood the whole thing as a joke. Had it
been anything else it would have been off with my head from his
board - and probably all of fidonet - permanently.

You like stabbing people who stood with you in the back?

You made public statements that Roger N failed to update
the elisting for the Coffee Klatsch echo. Several participants
politely asked you to shut up. You continued to repeat your
statements, in public.

I was surprised that Roger did not throw you out of the echo
right then and there. But he was not taking you seriously, and
had thought the echo was elisted. Even though it had not been
for quite some time.

Roger, like most other people, has a life outside of fidonet.
I took it upon myself to elist the echo so that nobody else could
elist it. That way, Roger would be able to keep the echo. And
sure enough, trouble came soon afterwards.

You see, I did not advertise the fact that I had elisted the echo.
None of the other participants did, either. But others outside of
the echo were very much aware of the fact that the echo tag for the
Coffee Klatsch echo had expired. Only they did not act fast enough
to do what they had truly wanted.

Joe Bruchis found out about it when he read the echotag listing
in the elist echo. He then posted that entry in the Coffee Klatsch
echo for all to see.

I let it all play out, treating it as the joke it was. Roger N
was given the password, and was able to continue his role as
moderator. Frank Vest folded his board, and all the participants
left.

Well, except for Roy Witt. May his soul rest in peace.

--Lee

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