You posted it in the Debate echo. I returned it here.
Debate Echo msg 1620 on Docsplace, Sept 3, 2013.

You are talking about a post that appeared in your echo on
9/3/2013, at 11:24 AM. I posted it in THIS echo on
9/2/2013, at 7:23 PM (#4997).

Which leads to a somewhat obvious question: how dumb ARE
you?

How did it wind up in the Debate echo?

YOUR explanation seems to be that I posted the message in
my echo via the Prism BBS at 11:24 AM on September 3, 2013.
And then I patiently waited until Jan. 1, 2098, at exactly

My explanation is I don't have the foggiest idea how and when
you posted in your echo, nor why or how you posted in my echo,
but your message did show up in my echo. That is where and why I
responded to you there.

All the rest is your ducking and dodging.

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RE: You posting in 2098 and 1985 and in my echo and your echo
etc.

You have double posted several messages in this echo. If you
can't get that right don't bitch about what your BBS says about
when you posted.

That was not a ruling. That was advice to Richardson.

It was your official interpretation of the rule, and it
makes the rule moot.

No, it was not. There is no rule against anyone reading the
echo, that was advice to stop doing so.

As usual, you pretend to miss the point. You ruled that if
anyone feels they are being provoked in your echo they
should react by not reading the provocation. That makes
Peter's provocation rule moot, just as it makes the rule
about personal attacks moot. This was already explained
more thoroughly. You just ignored it. Nothing new.

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Hello Earl,

No, it was not. There is no rule against anyone reading the
echo, that was advice to stop doing so.

As usual, you pretend to miss the point.

Unlike The Great Earl, who knows all, and never misses the
point.

Earl's system appears to be screwed up. Don't reply to him in
this echo anymore. If you want to, take it to the all_pol echo.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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That was not a ruling. That was advice to Richardson.

It was your official interpretation of the rule, and it
makes the rule moot.

No, it was not. There is no rule against anyone reading the
echo, that was advice to stop doing so.

As usual, you pretend to miss the point. You ruled that if

As usual, you make something up to pretend that you have an
actual point.

anyone feels they are being provoked in your echo they
should react by not reading the provocation. That makes

Now you falsify the actual statement. There was no such
*RULING*, it was a *SUGGESTION*. Your spin is false.

Peter's provocation rule moot, just as it makes the rule

Believe it or not, you can ignore any echo you want and it has
no effect on any echo rule. Peter's rule did not require anyone
to read the echo.

about personal attacks moot. This was already explained
more thoroughly. You just ignored it. Nothing new.

You made false claims and then pretend I ignored something that
never happened. Nothing new.



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You posted it in the Debate echo. I returned it here.
Debate Echo msg 1620 on Docsplace, Sept 3, 2013.

You are talking about a post that appeared in your echo on
9/3/2013, at 11:24 AM. I posted it in THIS echo on
9/2/2013, at 7:23 PM (#4997).

Which leads to a somewhat obvious question: how dumb ARE
you?

How did it wind up in the Debate echo?

YOUR explanation seems to be that I posted the message in
my echo via the Prism BBS at 11:24 AM on September 3, 2013.

Your statement is deceptive. I was going to say deliberately
deceptive, but I realized you may not be thinking clearly.

I never said a word about the Prism BBS. I do not access the
Prism BBS, and know nothing about the Prism BBS other than it
exists.

I said it appeared in the Debate echo. Your response seems to
imply I am supposed to know it was somehow cross posted there.
Your response is pure BS.

And then I patiently waited until Jan. 1, 2098, at exactly
zero o'clock, to repost the same thing in your echo via

I still haven't figured out how you posted anything in 2098. I
just rechecked my archives, I find no reference to 2098.

the Prism BBS. If that is true, you aren't going to READ
IT for another 85 years! And yet you seem certain that you
will still be the moderator of that echo in the year 2098!

Where did you see the year 2098 mentioned? The only place I see
it is in your messages.

Just to make sure, I went back on Docsplace, reset my message
pointers to the last Oct packet I downloaded, and re-downloaded
everything from there up to date. I then searched for the number
2098. The only place I see the year 2098 is in your messages.

Do you have sufficient intelectual capacity to understand that
something might have happened to it in the Prism BBS system?

Indirectly, you are answering my question. You aren't
coming right out and SAYING how dumb you are, but you are
demonstrating it.

Actually, all you are doing is demonstrating how dumb you are.
You are so desperate for someway to look like you are winning an
arguement that you are inventing a reason for a personal attack.


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To anyone reading this echo, please check this out.

Another poster said this appeared in the Debate echo. I do not
see it showing up on Docsplace, which is where I post from.
Therefor either his provider has a problem, or there is one
somewhere in between.

I ask that all who read this echo please check and see of you
show this in your download. This will help figure out where the
cross posting, and distortion, is occuring.

From the DEBATE echo. Count the number of times Bob breaks
his own rules:

"Subject: Ed Snowden's email provid Date: Thu
Nov 09 2034 03:26 p m
From: BOB KLAHN To: TIM RICHARDSON

...

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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Believe it or not, you can ignore any echo you want and it has
no effect on any echo rule. Peter's rule did not require anyone
to read the echo.

His remedy for provocation was to prohibit it. Your remedy
for provocation is to say to the victim "don't read the
echo." That makes the rule moot, just as it makes the rule
on personal attacks moot.

Provocation is prohibited in the Debate echo. Saying something
Richardson disagrees with, no matter how vehemently, is not
provocation. If he thinks a post to others, on something I truly
believe to be true, is a deliberate attempt to provoke him, he
is seriously paranoid.


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Since none of that appears in my download from Docsplace, it
would appear that the problem is on your end. Check with your
sysop.

I said it appeared in the Debate echo. Your response seems to
imply I am supposed to know it was somehow cross posted there.

Of course you are supposed to, but this is one of those
hilarious times when your ignorance is very real.

I still haven't figured out how you posted anything in 2098. I
just rechecked my archives, I find no reference to 2098.

Then you also haven't figured out how YOU posted, in YOUR
echo, through Doc's, back in 1904. Was this through the
internet, or did you use dialup back then?

http://fidonet.ozzmosis.com/echomail.php/debate/ae28c06acc1a
d9f4.html

"From: BOB KLAHN
To: EARL CROASMUN
Date: 1904-04-26 15:26:28
Subject: Stay home! "

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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This does not show up on Docsplace. It appears your provider is
getting things screwed up. IOW, no rules broken in my echo since
it was not posted in my echo.

From the DEBATE echo. Count the number of times Bob breaks
his own rules:

"Subject: Ed Snowden's email provid Date: Thu
Nov 09 2034 03:26 p m
From: BOB KLAHN To: TIM RICHARDSON

He tried to represent that echo as `his' to a friend of
mine and told him in what tone he could post in there. I
set the guy straight on that.

Richardson lies.

Klahn lies.

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...

To anyone reading this echo, please check this out.

Another poster said this appeared in the Debate echo. I do not
see it showing up on Docsplace, which is where I post from.
Therefor either his provider has a problem, or there is one
somewhere in between.

I ask that all who read this echo please check and see of you
show this in your download. This will help figure out where the
cross posting, and distortion, is occuring.

I see this part, and I have hazy memories of seeing the message referred to below.

From the DEBATE echo. Count the number of times Bob breaks
his own rules:

"Subject: Ed Snowden's email provid Date: Thu
Nov 09 2034 03:26 p m
From: BOB KLAHN To: TIM RICHARDSON

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BOB KLAHN wrote to ALL <=-

To anyone reading this echo, please check this out.

Another poster said this appeared in the Debate echo. I do not
see it showing up on Docsplace, which is where I post from.
Therefor either his provider has a problem, or there is one
somewhere in between.

I ask that all who read this echo please check and see of you
show this in your download. This will help figure out where the
cross posting, and distortion, is occuring.

From the DEBATE echo. Count the number of times Bob breaks
his own rules:

"Subject: Ed Snowden's email provid Date: Thu
Nov 09 2034 03:26 p m
From: BOB KLAHN To: TIM RICHARDSON

...

Why do you let these guys get under your skin? I've checked my message base and the only time it appears is in the ALL-POLITICS echo. Here is the message header. In all honesty, I normally only keep 10,000 messages here to scan but I certainly know by the subject this wasn't too long ago. Hell, the date is even screwed. Stop feeding the insanity...

Sender Earl Croasmun
To All
Subject Stay home!
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01/16
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X-FTN-PATH 261/38 123/500 229/426 300
SenderNetType 02 00
SenderNetAddr 01 00 05 01 26 00 00 00
Message-ID <5269570E.1547.2allpolit@tequilamockingbirdonline.net> In-Reply-To <5269570E.1546.2allpolit@tequilamockingbirdonline.net> when_written 52685C20 412C Wed Oct 23 2013 19:30:40 EST
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Enjoy....


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this post copied to ALL-POLITICS and DEBATE...

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, BOB KLAHN wrote to ALL:

This does not show up on Docsplace. It appears your provider is
getting things screwed up.

what do you mean it doesn't show up on Doc's Place? that's where you posted them from... the reality is that something has a broken date problem... either your reader or the door on the BBS you post from... i have numerous "y2k" packets here and all of them show posts from you with dates ranging from 1995 to 2034... some messages have accurate dates but others do not... i'm unable to
determine what the factor(s) are for this from the raw PKTs i have at hand...

how did i ""capture"" them?? as a fido mail distributor, i run a tool called PKTDATE which sidelines PKT files with bad dates in them but this tool also corrects those dates and passes the messages on... currently i have this tool running to catch dates that are out by more than 2 years either way... plus or minus...

i can make these PKTs available to you if you like so you can see the actual dates in the raw PKTs as they arrived here on my system if you like... LIST.COM
shows them easily as will any other tool that shows the raw binary data contained in a file...

the main question is what reader/editor are you using for your offline activities because all of the messages in question show Silver Xpress in the tearline but there's no indication of whether this is the SX door or the SX reader/editor that is used...

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...

how did i ""capture"" them?? as a fido mail distributor, i
run a tool called PKTDATE which sidelines PKT files with
bad dates in them but this tool also corrects those dates
and passes the messages on... currently i have this tool
running to catch dates that are out by more than 2 years
either way... plus or minus...

i can make these PKTs available to you if you like so you
can see the actual dates in the raw PKTs as they arrived
here on my system if you like... LIST.COM shows them easily
as will any other tool that shows the raw binary data
contained in a file...

Ok, that might well help.

the main question is what reader/editor are you using for
your offline activities because all of the messages in
question show Silver Xpress in the tearline but there's no
indication of whether this is the SX door or the SX
reader/editor that is used...

The messages do not show up in the packets I download from
Docsplace. I do archive all the packets that apply to me in any
way, and I do not find that message in the Debate echo.

However, they do show up on fido.ozzmossis.com, and there are
msgs from Earl Croasmun and Lee Lafaso also with the messed up
dates. Neither of them post from Docsplace. So that suggests
it's happening outside of Docsplace.

Oh, I am using the silverxpress reader.

Can you please send that by email? Thanks.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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Did my post in DEBATE, that you seem to have cross posted into this one, not
say I only found that message in ALL_POLITICS? Seems that echo does have

our

attention in one form another....

You posted your comment in DEBATE, and obviously I should have
responded there.
Unfortunately, I could not. Bob revenge-banned me from that echo a
long time ago. That was the only reason I moved it here. I follow
rules, even arbitrary ones.

Then send me netmail.... EOD...

He can respond to msgs in Debate here, that was my purpose in
reviving this echo.

Of course he will deny that.



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Earl Croasmun wrote to Bill Mcgarrity <=-

If your buttbuddy would have posted

. . .

Gee, what a great guy. Well, at least, a single-minded person who
brings all conversations around to what is really important to him.

Oh I'm sure you and Roy have shared a few Lone Stars and a tube of K-Y. Isn't that the law of the land down there in texas...




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Roy Witt wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

Brer Bill McGarrity wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Re: Stay home!:

Brer Bill McGarrity wrote to Brer BOB KLAHN about Re: Stay home!:

For me this is the EOD... Even posting in this echo I feel like I'm
walking in manure.

He who drags shit into other echoes from the echoes where they
wallow in it, must walk a mile in their own shit.

Unfortunately, I opened up my Twit list to read another twit's post
elsewhere and there you were. Back in the hole you go.

Roy... like I actually give a shit.

If you didn't give a shit and knew that you're included in a Twit
filter, along with the other morons in Fidonet who deserve to be there, why did you bother to reply? Oh, that's right, even though you say EOD, you actually can't stop your mouth from frothing because you have to
have the last word...

Thought I was on twit?? You are indeed a walking disaster

BTW.. it wasn't I who dragged this shit into here... it was your
buttbuddy Crossmun

Wrong again, as usual. Klahn brought a huge pile of shit from DEBATE
and you couldn't stand just wallowing in it there, you had to drag it
here too. If you would keep your nose out of his ass long enough, you might actually get things right for a change.

Shit for brains... I answered Klahn IN the DEBATE echo... not here you idiot. Get your stories straight. Crossmun answered me here... being he's "banned" in DEBATE he crossposted ever here. If it bothered him that much he should have discussed it in netmail with me not cross post in this cesspool.

so get your facts straight. Guess it's tough for you when you can't
rely on wiki.

Kinda like leaning on the EPA for your misinformation, eh Doobie...

Yeah, like that icemelt you said was developed in Texas which actually was developed in Colorado. And the name of it... saying it was liquid originally when the stuff you were talking about was granular... I gave you the name of the liquid version. Shit for brains... it fits you.

If your buttbuddy would have posted my entire message here rather
than a small piece of it you'd have seen I told Bob I could not find
any such message in DEBATE but I did find it here therefore adding substance to your buttbuddy's claim. Now...

Man, you can't do any talking without referencing homosexual activities ... I guess you're well educated in that realm of New Jersey..

Hey, he's you friend you share a six pack of Lone Star and K-Y with... so the monikor "buttboy" fits you both. Give it up Roy... you're wrong on this one... so just face it and go suck on some humble pie. I answered in DEBATE... so piss off.

WTF is your problem?

I don't have any...wtf is your problem? Don't bother to answer that, as I'm not interested your homosexual activities.

I was going to say your inability to develop and opinion without the use of wiki or any other information service on the net. It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about without it. Amazing... isn't technology grand... makes you a psuedo-genius. Kudos...

Pathetic little weasel... all of ya...

That damned mirror you're looking into can't help but give you the pathetic look...

LOL.... is that all you got? What, you're going to throw the old rubber and glue routine next? Pathetic. GO fix a car...

BYE...

Bring Your Elderly shit to DEBATE...

LOL... again, that all you have??

... Lick the bro. Squeeze a pimple. Piss on the floor. Dems do!

Now that's better, Wendy...

Ahhh.... here's your MO... purposely editing a post to suit your twisted mind... fits you to a "T"... go break out a 6-pack with your buddy Crossmun. Make sure he brings the K-Y. LOL!!

This is fun... you're easy... Care to try playing again... you get 3 chances for a quarter..


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How did this get into Debate? Yes, I have suspicions.

Pls respond by email.

Brer Bill McGarrity wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Re: Stay home!:

Brer Bill McGarrity wrote to Brer BOB KLAHN about Re: Stay home!:

For me this is the EOD... Even posting in this echo I feel like I'm
walking in manure.

He who drags shit into other echoes from the echoes where they
wallow in it, must walk a mile in their own shit.

...

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On 11-10-13, BOB KLAHN said to TIM RICHARDSON:

By the way....here in typical `Klahn-ish' style is
something hilarious. The democrats, in their typical

And you display your inability to keep focused on one topic. I
will delete the rest of this without reading.

You might want to take a peek at the title of this echo: ALL-POLITICS.


Most of what I post on has to do with the issues that are currently in the political arena.


The subjects I post about, and the articles I post about them, pretty well
fall into the criteria of this echo's name.


You, on the other hand, bring your petty little whines and complaints about people posting in your `nothing' echo from here...cross-posting from her to there, or visa versa, and you add nothing to any discussion in here except
your silly little complaints and sandbox nonsense.


People in here laugh at you because you're funny! You are ridiculed because
you so readily open yourself up to ridicule! You aren't a `debate opponent', you're a joke! I taunt you because for me its a fun pass time. I like pissing you off. I do it deliberately. Fuck you.


Take care that I don't hunt up an off-shore system that allows me to post in your echo with immunity from anything Ed Koon or Ross Cassell can do to cut my feed to your little hole-in-the-wall (oh yes, they DO exist), and taunt you on your own home ground.


In the mean time...here's something for you to chew on:


Palin: Breitbart News Fighting to Preserve America's Exceptionalism


Breitbart.com


by Tony Lee12 Nov 2013343post a comment


On Tuesday, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin praised Breitbart News for unflinchingly fighting to preserve America's exceptionalism every day on its website.


In an exclusive interview with Breitbart News Executive Chairman and Breitbart News Sunday host Stephen K. Bannon, Palin, who said she had Breitbart.com on her
laptop and was honored to be associated with anything "Breitbart" related, discussed her new book, Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas.


A central theme of Palin's book is that the fight to preserve something as simple and sacred as Christmas is the "tip of the spear" in the greater battle to preserve the country's freedom and exceptionalism. And she praised Breitbart.com for fighting that war on a daily basis.


"You guys talk about this so often in your commentaries there on Breitbart about American exceptionalism," Palin said. "You guys explain to Americans how important it is to understand why we are exceptional."


Palin said the country is exceptional not because we are "pretending like
we're
better than anybody else." Rather, she said America was exceptional because "we're different."


"Our government was to be created unlike any other government... to allow individuals equal opportunity to soar, to succeed, to be rewarded for innovation and work ethic ... and all of it is was going to be built on freedom," Palin said.


She then said that "when we see these steps taken" - such as natural birth Nativity scenes and other politically correct scenes gone amok - to erode the country's traditions, Americans can see what "it is going to be like" when "that freedom is stripped away from us even in that arena of celebrating Christmas."


"Then we will certainly lose that exceptionalism," Palin said.


She said she fears on "some days we are already on the road toward" decline, and "we will no longer be the America that we recognize."


"We will be a fundamentally transformed America that so many of us did not
sign up for," Palin warned.


Her book, Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas, is
not only a celebration of Christmas but also a reminder that if angry atheists and scrooges can audaciously wage wars on Christmas, then the country's most sacred freedoms and liberties will not be forever guaranteed unless Americans fight to ensure that they are.


The rest of Palin's interview with Bannon can be heard in full on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot channel 125 from 7 PM to 10 PM EST this Sunday.




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