• Complaint

    From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to All on Sat Mar 23 12:59:00 2019
    Hello All!

    I have one...


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Roger Nelson on Sat Mar 23 14:15:15 2019
    On 23 Mar 19 12:59:00, Roger Nelson said the following to All:

    Hello All!

    I have one...

    Just one?

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Roger Nelson on Sat Mar 23 21:08:27 2019

    I have one...

    I need alcohol.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Sat Mar 23 19:10:17 2019
    On Sat Mar-23-2019 14:15, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On 23 Mar 19 12:59:00, Roger Nelson said the following to All:

    Hello All!

    I have one...

    Just one?

    I had to start somewhere...


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Mozhan Marnò
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Sat Mar 23 19:44:36 2019
    On Sat Mar-23-2019 21:08, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    I have one...

    I need alcohol.

    I need aome,,,


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Olivia D'A'bo
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Sun Mar 24 04:17:26 2019
    Following up a message from Roger Nelson to Nick Andre:

    On Sat Mar-23-2019 14:15, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Roger
    Nelson:

    On 23 Mar 19 12:59:00, Roger Nelson said the following to All:

    Hello All!

    I have one...

    Just one?

    I had to start somewhere...

    I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm wondering if those files are created during the times I ran DB from within Windows 10 just to keep that system updated.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Kim Cattrall
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Roger Nelson on Sun Mar 24 10:58:34 2019

    I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm
    wondering if those files are created during the times I ran DB from
    within Windows 10 just to keep that system updated.

    Win10 and DB is a bad marriage I think.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 24 12:46:56 2019

    SGID: 2:292/854 0c3d3a26
    EPLY: 1:3828/7.0 c974f920

    I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm
    wondering if those files are created during the times I ran DB from WD>RN> within Windows 10 just to keep that system updated.

    Win10 and DB is a bad marriage I think.

    You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it wouldn't let me in unless I signed up for Facebook. I'll have to talk to the Help Desk about this. Seeing no way around it, I made an ungentlemanly gesture at the monitor and dual-booted back to Win7.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Roger Nelson on Sun Mar 24 22:54:33 2019
    You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the
    other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it
    wouldn't let me in unless I signed up for Facebook. I'll have to talk to the Help Desk about this. Seeing no way around it, I made an
    ungentlemanly gesture at the monitor and dual-booted back to Win7.

    Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 24 19:12:05 2019
    On 24 Mar 19 22:54:33, Ward Dossche said the following to Roger Nelson:

    Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

    Outlook has ran fine here for years...

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Roger Nelson on Sun Mar 24 19:12:40 2019
    On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward Dossche:

    Win10 and DB is a bad marriage I think.

    You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it wouldn't let me

    Windows 10 is too buggy for my tastes...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Roger Nelson on Sun Mar 24 19:13:23 2019
    On 24 Mar 19 04:17:26, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

    Just one?

    I had to start somewhere...

    I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm wondering those files are created during the times I ran DB from within Windows 10 ju to keep that system updated.

    Yes. This is a Windows issue. You may create an automatic event to DEL /S VDM*.TMP files.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 25 01:41:58 2019

    SGID: 2:292/854 18392d12
    EPLY: 2:292/854 0c3d3a26

    [...]

    Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with
    anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

    In the past, Outlook would delete the mail from the server upon downloading, but it quit doing that, which forces me to logon to the server and do it manually. I have a hunch that Yahoo has something to do with that. Of course,
    I could go back to what Steve Quarella and I nicknamed "Lookout Express" to see
    if that solves the problem, but something tells me it won't.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 25 01:32:29 2019

    SGID: 1:229/426 10C1A119
    On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward Dossche:

    Windows 10 is too buggy for my tastes...

    The only reason I run it nowadays is to keep it updated just in case a miracle happens.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 25 01:41:05 2019

    SGID: 1:229/426 E7A5F27E
    On 24 Mar 19 04:17:26, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

    [...]

    Yes. This is a Windows issue. You may create an automatic event to DEL /S VDM*.TMP files.

    I thought it created those files in Win10, but it doesn't.

    I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 25 08:06:21 2019

    Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with
    anything
    smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

    Outlook has ran fine here for years...

    I've had an unrecoverable PST-file crash on 2 occasions. Now I use Thunderbird and leave everything on the server of the ISP.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Roger Nelson on Mon Mar 25 08:51:48 2019

    Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with RN>WD> anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

    <you missed the pun>

    In the past, Outlook would delete the mail from the server upon downloading, but it quit doing that, which forces me to logon to the
    server and do it manually.

    Even in the Outlook-2000 version this could be parametered ... I know ,,, I did
    it.

    Of course, I could go back to what Steve Quarella and I
    nicknamed "Lookout Express" to see if that solves the problem, but something tells me it won't.

    Steve Querella ... yewww ... he came to Belgium once, had to be in my home town
    on a work assignment and I took him to dinner.

    That was really a nice old-style Fido sysop. I liked him.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 25 06:34:11 2019

    SGID: 2:292/854 0a364951
    EPLY: 2:292/854 18392d12

    Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with WD>RN>WD> anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

    <you missed the pun>

    That's not the only thing I'm missing. (-:

    In the past, Outlook would delete the mail from the server upon
    downloading, but it quit doing that, which forces me to logon to the WD>RN> server and do it manually.

    Even in the Outlook-2000 version this could be parametered ... I know ,,,
    I did it.

    I probably did it, too. Too far back to remember particulars.

    Steve Querella ... yewww ... he came to Belgium once, had to be in my
    home town on a work assignment and I took him to dinner.

    Steve was a great guy. I don't know if he's still with us or not. I tried calling him on his cell phone several times and it went straight to voice mail.
    In some respects, he and I were a lot alike. He was. at one time, our R19C and very popular.

    That was really a nice old-style Fido sysop. I liked him.

    Me². He used to be on dopefish.com.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Roger Nelson on Mon Mar 25 08:08:13 2019
    On 25 Mar 19 01:41:05, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

    Yes. This is a Windows issue. You may create an automatic event to DEL /S VDM*.TMP files.

    I thought it created those files in Win10, but it doesn't.

    I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:

    On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
    rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for Windows.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Roger Nelson on Mon Mar 25 08:09:52 2019
    On 25 Mar 19 01:32:29, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

    On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward Dossche:

    Windows 10 is too buggy for my tastes...

    The only reason I run it nowadays is to keep it updated just in case a mira happens.

    Not being able to apply updates the way I want, or when I want, or shutting off all of the massive surveillance is enough for me to "just say no".

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 25 08:10:50 2019
    On 25 Mar 19 08:06:21, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    Outlook has ran fine here for years...

    I've had an unrecoverable PST-file crash on 2 occasions. Now I use Thunderb and leave everything on the server of the ISP.

    I guess "YMMV"...

    My email is hosted on an Exchange server so there are no PST files, per say, but its a different level of babysitting to keep an Exchange system running.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 25 15:49:39 2019

    I thought it created those files in Win10, but it doesn't.

    I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:

    On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
    rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for Windows.

    Same here. I also kill the $P2-files ... daily.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 25 14:06:31 2019
    On 25 Mar 19 15:49:39, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
    rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for Windows.

    Same here. I also kill the $P2-files ... daily.

    D'Bridge should not be leaving behind any $P2 files.

    If there is a DBRIDGE.XMA file, what are its contents?

    BTW - I love people who use that stupid broken Fastecho tosser.


    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 25 22:15:16 2019

    Same here. I also kill the $P2-files ... daily.

    D'Bridge should not be leaving behind any $P2 files.

    There's a difference between "should not" and "does not" ... I have found them occasionally so out they go.

    If there is a DBRIDGE.XMA file, what are its contents?

    Zero-length.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 25 19:19:46 2019

    SGID: 1:229/426 35450A37
    On 25 Mar 19 01:41:05, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

    [...]

    I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:

    On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
    rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for NA> Windows.

    I like to watch what my system is doing. Assigned to a function key is a DOS program that can be called up and can sort the files in any manner you choose, which can then be selected and deleted. I've had it since the the late 80s and
    am stil using it.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 25 19:28:28 2019

    SGID: 1:229/426 DADCFB7E
    On 25 Mar 19 01:32:29, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

    On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward
    Dossche:

    ]...]

    Not being able to apply updates the way I want, or when I want, or
    shutting off all of the massive surveillance is enough for me to "just
    say no".

    I don't blame you. I only logon once per month when I think the rollups are out to update the system.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Roger Nelson on Tue Mar 26 07:36:51 2019

    You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it wouldn't let
    me in unless I signed up for Facebook. I'll have to talk to the Help Desk about this. Seeing no way around it, I made an ungentlemanly gesture at
    the monitor and dual-booted back to Win7.

    Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and screaming. They
    would like nothing more than the next Windows be tied completely to the cloud and subscription. That will spell the end to them owning the desktop.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Nick Andre on Tue Mar 26 07:42:02 2019

    Not being able to apply updates the way I want, or when I want, or
    shutting off all of the massive surveillance is enough for me to "just
    say no".

    Yeah, it's pretty bad when someone has to write a free program to keep a server
    OS from rebooting itself unscheduled.

    I have been using a program called "DontSleep.exe" to keep Windows 2016 and 10 systems from going rogue.

    https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Microsoft/DontSleep

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mark Hofmann on Tue Mar 26 13:51:20 2019

    Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and screaming. They would like nothing more than the next Windows be tied completely to the cloud and subscription. That will spell the end to them owning the desktop.

    Yups ... no cloud for me ... I'll do something as bad as ... OMG ... Linux.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mark Hofmann on Tue Mar 26 08:59:46 2019
    On 26 Mar 19 07:36:51, Mark Hofmann said the following to Roger Nelson:

    Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and screaming. They would like nothing more than the next Windows be tied completely to th cloud and subscription. That will spell the end to them owning the desktop

    The thing is though, there is no OS ready to take over that ownership of the desktop if M$ went the cloud-route. Apple? A big maybe... but Chromebooks and Linux are out of the question.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Mark Hofmann on Tue Mar 26 16:04:10 2019
    On Tue Mar-26-2019 07:36, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    [...]

    Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and
    screaming. They would like nothing more than the next Windows be
    tied completely to the cloud and subscription. That will spell the
    end to them owning the desktop.

    There isn't enough money to pay for my desktop (although everyone has their own
    price). (-:

    When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like the plague.

    ... Uncle Remus to Uncle Ben - You're a credit to your rice.
    -- Red Buttons

    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Kellyanne Conway
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Roger Nelson on Wed Mar 27 06:49:07 2019

    When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like the plague.

    If they have a brain ...

    If they can be turned into zombies and high as if they were on crack, they'll go for it.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Mark Hofmann on Wed Mar 27 04:10:49 2019
    Following up a message from Roger Nelson to Mark Hofmann:

    On Tue Mar-26-2019 07:36, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger
    Nelson:

    [...]

    When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like
    the plague.

    I should have paid attention to the alarm going off in my head when it (Win10) was offered to me FREE.

    ...You can lead a horse to water, but you can't get it to float on its back.

    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Ariadna Gil
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Wed Mar 27 05:22:12 2019

    SGID: 2:292/854 08342247
    EPLY: 1:3828/7.0 c9a96c40

    When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like the WD>RN> plague.

    If they have a brain ...

    If they can be turned into zombies and high as if they were on crack, they'll go for it.

    Then the millennials are a shoo-in because I think they actually believe in zombies. They surely like movies about them.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR41)
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Ward Dossche on Wed Mar 27 18:58:29 2019

    Yups ... no cloud for me ... I'll do something as bad as ... OMG ...
    Linux.

    Microsoft will make Linux very popular if they try to drag everyone to the cloud, for sure.

    The cloud might make sense for small to medium sized companies, but that is about it. The average consumer will not pay a subscription for their OS. That
    is insane, especially since most people only need a web browser to function. They can do that on a cheap chrome book.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Nick Andre on Wed Mar 27 19:04:50 2019

    The thing is though, there is no OS ready to take over that ownership of the desktop if M$ went the cloud-route. Apple? A big maybe... but Chromebooks and Linux are out of the question.

    Most large enterprise systems have moved to browser based web applications. There has been a big push for developers to move away from Windows and create "appliances" that run as VMs with some flavor of Linux under the hood.

    If the organization can get to web only applications, they no longer require Windows. No doubt this isn't reality yet - but if M$ pushes organizations to the cloud, the "Plan B" approach will happen much quicker.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Roger Nelson on Wed Mar 27 19:06:05 2019

    I should have paid attention to the alarm going off in my head when it (Win10) was offered to me FREE.

    It will be refreshing when the desktop OS no longer holds people hostage.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Mark Hofmann on Thu Mar 28 05:28:07 2019
    On Wed Mar-27-2019 19:06, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    I should have paid attention to the alarm going off in my head when it (Win10) was offered to me FREE.

    It will be refreshing when the desktop OS no longer holds people
    hostage.

    Eons ago, when I was president of our local computer club, which consisted of just anout every available computer at the time (late 80s, early 90s), it was ALWAYS the Apple users who thought theirs were the best. I had, and was laughed at, an IBM PC jr, with two floppy drives and 384k of RAM. I wasn't asked to be president hecause of that, but because no one else wanted the job. I pulled everyone together to overcome our differences in order to understand the complexities of what the other guy was using. This was accomplished, believe it or not, in a few short months.

    One of the members asked if he culd bring his to a meeting to demonstrate for wveryone how good it was. What it was, was the Commodore Amiga A500 and for me, it was love at first sight, but with two problems. 1) it was pricey and 2)
    no one was writing programs for it. I was able to edit some of its shorter BASIC programs to run on the IBM PC jr and I was convinced that the Amiga was the machine for me -- someday. I was told it used contiguous RAM and at that time, the board would accept up to 2MB. I don't know how true that is. I still couldn't afford it, so my next machine was a self-built IBM XT, but without the name on it. Then I got to use an IBM AT and what I now have will run circles around the AT. (-:

    ...At the end of the day it gets dark.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Aarti Mann
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Roger Nelson on Thu Mar 28 20:26:13 2019
    Eons ago, when I was president of our local computer club, which
    consisted of just anout every available computer at the time (late 80s, early 90s), it was ALWAYS the Apple users who thought theirs were the
    best. I had, and was laughed at, an IBM PC jr, with two floppy drives and

    I remember those times pretty well. There were far more hardware options for personal computers along with operating systems to go along with them.

    The computer crowd that I was around back in that era didn't care as much what type of system being used. Very diverse systems at the time - you name it - I knew someone with it.

    I started with a Commodore Vic-20 (which I won in a Mother's Day essay contest when I was 11 years old). It sat in my closet for months before I even decided
    to check it out. I had no interest in computers before winning it. One rainy day I broke it out of the box and toyed around with it. The rest was history.

    About a year or two later, I bought an Apple //c brand new for $1000. I had several Apple systems until I was around 17 years old and sold all of the Apples and purchased a monster tower 286-12 system for $2000. I sold (2) Apple
    //c systems and a //gs. I never forgave Apple for dumping the // line.

    Went from 286 to 386, 486, Pentium, etc..etc.. Bottom line is they are all technology and do cool things. That is what I enjoy..

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Mark Hofmann on Fri Mar 29 08:14:06 2019
    On Thu Mar-28-2019 20:26, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    Eons ago, when I was president of our local computer club, which
    consisted of just anout every available computer at the time (late 80s, early 90s), it was ALWAYS the Apple users who thought theirs were the
    best. I had, and was laughed at, an IBM PC jr, with two floppy drives and

    I remember those times pretty well. There were far more hardware
    options for personal computers along with operating systems to go
    along with them.

    Thank you fpr taking my comment in the spirit in thich it was intended, I was,
    of course, referring to the egos of those particular Apple owners. Who could blame them? I mean they shelled out a good bit of coin for a machine that would run circles around what I owned. And yet, they wanted me as presidemt. Must have been the free spaghetti dinners I hosted at our monthly meetings. (-:

    The computer crowd that I was around back in that era didn't care
    as much what type of system being used. Very diverse systems at
    the time - you name it - I knew someone with it.

    I forgot to mention the Heath-Zenith crowd that didn't attend our meetings, so I went to one of theirs.

    ]...]

    Went from 286 to 386, 486, Pentium, etc..etc.. Bottom line is they
    are all technology and do cool things. That is what I enjoy..

    I skipped past the 386 and went from 286 to 486. Fond memories from that time because I was running first OS/2 2.1, then 2.11 and finally Warp 3. I have Warp 4, but it won't install on this machine.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Amber Valletta
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mark Hofmann on Fri Mar 29 10:12:52 2019
    On 28 Mar 19 20:26:13, Mark Hofmann said the following to Roger Nelson:

    I started with a Commodore Vic-20 (which I won in a Mother's Day essay cont when I was 11 years old). It sat in my closet for months before I even decided to check it out. I had no interest in computers before winning it. One rainy day I broke it out of the box and toyed around with it. The rest was history.

    The Vic 20 was really an underappreciated system for what it could do, if it was expanded to at least 8 or 16k.

    About a year or two later, I bought an Apple //c brand new for $1000. I ha several Apple systems until I was around 17 years old and sold all of the Apples and purchased a monster tower 286-12 system for $2000. I sold (2) Apple //c systems and a //gs. I never forgave Apple for dumping the // lin

    I *loved* the Apple // for the longest time, up until I got a Tandy 1000.

    Nick

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Roger Nelson on Fri Mar 29 19:04:57 2019

    Thank you fpr taking my comment in the spirit in thich it was intended, I was, of course, referring to the egos of those particular Apple owners.
    Who could blame them? I mean they shelled out a good bit of coin for a machine that would run circles around what I owned. And yet, they wanted
    me as presidemt. Must have been the free spaghetti dinners I hosted at
    our monthly meetings. (-:

    I did have to shovel lots of snow and cut lots of lawns back then to save up the cash for my first Apple //c. It was $999 at the time. All my computer friends at the time were on different systems. I had Atari, Amiga, TI-99, IBM XT, and plenty of other systems I can't think of at the moment - all were friends. Didn't matter to me at all, never came to mind.

    I forgot to mention the Heath-Zenith crowd that didn't attend our
    meetings, so I went to one of theirs.

    I owned (and still have) several Heathkit Weather Stations that I built from kit form in that same era.

    I skipped past the 386 and went from 286 to 486. Fond memories from that time because I was running first OS/2 2.1, then 2.11 and finally Warp 3.
    I have Warp 4, but it won't install on this machine.

    I remember Apple // ProDOS. Similar in ways to the PC's DOS. Started on DOS 3.3 on the PC, up through 5.0.. Remember Stacker?

    Then off to Windows 3.1, NT 4, all the OS/2's and Windows Server versions ever since.

    Who would have thought that I would eventually have the ability to run countless operating systems on the same physical server. I currently have (24)
    VMs running on my home ESXi cluster. Everything from CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Windows 7, 10, and 2008 R2 + 2016 server. All on the same system with plenty of room for growth..

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Nick Andre on Fri Mar 29 19:07:29 2019

    The Vic 20 was really an underappreciated system for what it could do, if it was expanded to at least 8 or 16k.

    It was my first. (computer). :) That is what started it all. The irony is I
    had zero interest in computers before winning it.

    I *loved* the Apple // for the longest time, up until I got a Tandy 1000.

    Me too! That is why I was so angry when Apple eventually dropped the // line. And they did it less than 6 months after I forked out $2000 for an Apple //gs!

    That was the last Apple I ever touched. I was done with them after that.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Mark Hofmann on Sun Mar 31 11:07:48 2019
    On Fri Mar-29-2019 19:04, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    [...]

    I forgot to mention the Heath-Zenith crowd that didn't attend our
    meetings, so I went to one of theirs.

    I owned (and still have) several Heathkit Weather Stations that I
    built from kit form in that same era.

    H-Z used an OS called the Z80,or maybe it was the processor (memory fades) and athough that users' group was congenial, I had noo interest in the system.

    ]...]

    I remember Apple // ProDOS. Similar in ways to the PC's DOS.
    Started on DOS 3.3 on the PC, up through 5.0.. Remember Stacker?

    I never owned any type of Apple except the iPhone and could not tell you which machine I saw a demonstration of back in the early 90s. They were very nice machines, but way out of my price range.

    Then off to Windows 3.1, NT 4, all the OS/2's and Windows Server
    versions ever since.

    I have all of that (I think) except the server edition and once had Windows 3.11 before the storm of 2005 took them away. You didn't have Windows 3.11?

    Who would have thought that I would eventually have the ability to
    run countless operating systems on the same physical server. I
    currently have (24) VMs running on my home ESXi cluster.
    Everything from CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Windows 7, 10, and 2008 R2
    + 2016 server. All on the same system with plenty of room for
    growth..

    The last time I fooled around with the *nix stuff was Mandrake 10.0, which I think I still have.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Stephanie Marie Hamill
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Roger Nelson on Thu Apr 11 20:55:53 2019

    I have all of that (I think) except the server edition and once had
    Windows 3.11 before the storm of 2005 took them away. You didn't have Windows 3.11?

    It would be easier for me to list operating systems that I have never loaded. Here are a few that come to mind: Windows ME and Windows 8.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Mark Hofmann on Fri Apr 12 10:37:32 2019
    On Thu Apr-11-2019 20:55, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    I have all of that (I think) except the server edition and once had
    Windows 3.11 before the storm of 2005 took them away. You didn't have Windows 3.11?

    It would be easier for me to list operating systems that I have
    never loaded. Here are a few that come to mind: Windows ME and
    Windows 8.

    I think I have them all excep 8 and 8.1. I told a friend of mine who was griping anout 8 that M$ should have furnished everone woth a touch screen. (-:


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Alice Sara Ott
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Roger Nelson on Fri Apr 12 20:24:41 2019

    I think I have them all excep 8 and 8.1. I told a friend of mine who was griping anout 8 that M$ should have furnished everone woth a touch
    screen. (-:

    Yeah, M$ was trying to make a single user experience from desktop/tablet/phone.
    It failed miserably. So bad, they had to give Windows 10 away for free to keep desktop people from bailing.

    Android/Apple still own the tablet and phone platforms. M$ has tried multiple times to get market share in the phone area. Windows CE comes to mind.

    All are history at this point. I still say if M$ forces people and companies to the cloud on their next OS (if there is one), they will no longer own the desktop.
    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Mark Hofmann on Sat Apr 13 09:30:44 2019
    On Fri Apr-12-2019 20:24, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    Yeah, M$ was trying to make a single user experience from desktop/tablet/phone. It failed miserably. So bad, they had to
    give Windows 10 away for free to keep desktop people from bailing.

    Android/Apple still own the tablet and phone platforms. M$ has
    tried multiple times to get market share in the phone area.
    Windows CE comes to mind.

    All are history at this point. I still say if M$ forces people and companies to the cloud on their next OS (if there is one), they
    will no longer own the desktop.

    I think what is happening is that they are listening to themselves and not the users.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Christina Hendricks
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Roger Nelson on Thu Apr 18 07:44:29 2019

    I think what is happening is that they are listening to themselves and
    not the
    users.

    Agreed, and looking for the reaccurring revenue which is the holy grail for all
    tech companies these days. It is no longer "buy it once and pay for support". It is "lease everything forever". I'm not a fan of option #2.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)