• A Better WHO IS ONLINE

    From HECTOR SANTOS@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:10:44 2019
    Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:33:57 -0400
    From: HECTOR SANTOS
    To: ALL
    Subject: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
    Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list
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    I want to collect new ideas for the WHO IS ONLINE, especially for the web.

    Since this is a auto refresh page, it would be able to get additional
    status information from the server. I want to make this a more active page with maybe:

    - User pictures
    - IMs links
    - A link to send an email
    - A user profile link
    - A click to start a CHAT
    - More accurate Activity column

    etc. What do you think?

    If anyone has a cool outline for what it would look like, why not create
    one, just a sample template and lets see if we can use it. :-)

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    HLS

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  • From RICK WAGNER@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:10:44 2019
    Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:41:28 -0400
    From: RICK WAGNER
    To: HECTOR SANTOS
    Subject: RE: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
    Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list
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    I would also suggest an option to send an Instant Message not just a Chat ie.
    "Hi there
    Hector, Saw you Online and wanted to remind you about dinner with the other club
    members tonight..."

    I would also recommend an HTML variable that allows us to show visitors how many
    users are using the CHAT system regardless what room they're in. ----------------------------

    If you're going to do pictures and profiles, I suspect you're going to have to do a lot of
    re-design work of the initial "New User" portion of the system asking for more than just
    a UserName and a Password. I never understood why the HTML stuff didn't mimic the
    existing ANSI/TELNET style.. but oh well.



    On 10/24/06 12:33 AM, HECTOR SANTOS wrote to ALL:

    I want to collect new ideas for the WHO IS ONLINE, especially for the web.

    Since this is a auto refresh page, it would be able to get additional
    status information from the server. I want to make this a more active page with maybe:

    - User pictures
    - IMs links
    - A link to send an email
    - A user profile link
    - A click to start a CHAT
    - More accurate Activity column

    etc. What do you think?

    If anyone has a cool outline for what it would look like, why not create one, just a sample template and lets see if we can use it. :-)

    ---
    HLS



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  • From HECTOR SANTOS@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:10:44 2019
    Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:46:22 -0400
    From: HECTOR SANTOS
    To: RICK WAGNER
    Subject: Re: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
    Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list
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    <RICK WAGNER> wrote in message
    news:1161708088.33.1161664437@winserver.com...

    I would also suggest an option to send an Instant Message not
    just a Chat ie. "Hi there Hector, Saw you Online and wanted to
    remind you about dinner with the other club members tonight..."

    Right. That what I had on my mind.


    I would also recommend an HTML variable that allows us to show
    visitors how many users are using the CHAT system regardless what
    room they're in.

    Ahhhh, I see.

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    If you're going to do pictures and profiles, I suspect you're
    going to have to do a lot of re-design work of the initial "New User"
    portion of the system asking for more than just a UserName and a
    Password.
    I never understood why the HTML stuff didn't mimic the existing
    ANSI/TELNET style.. but oh well.

    Things were done for reasons and its serves us no justice to waste time
    trying to understand this or that was done this way or that way. So I
    suggest we puts the old issues aside and think of the today and the future.
    :-)

    If I understand you, the new pending 451.9 does have an improve WEB "new
    user" sign up and a key focus was to make sure the text vs. web were
    generally the same.

    But there is a fundamental difference to remember (which partially explains
    why the old web interface did not 100% behave the same as the text when it
    came to new user signups):

    Text mode is a persistent connection while WEB is not
    a persistent connection.

    A good example is when the text based connected user is filling in
    information, at any point and the user hungup, or the connection was disconnected. Since it was a persistent connection, Wildcat! had the easy ability to clean up, including deleting the new user record if the signup
    was aborted.

    Not so clean and elegant with the WEB equivalent and using non-persistent connections.

    The details are too complex and old to go over again, but let me just state
    the new version pays a lot of attention to making it common and consistent,
    for example, how a bad name lookup is checked. The TEXT version was
    different than the WEB version when it checked for valid characters in a
    new user name. That is now a COMMON logic between the WEB and TEXT mode.
    :-)

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  • From RICK WAGNER@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:10:44 2019
    Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:07:27 -0400
    From: RICK WAGNER
    To: HECTOR SANTOS
    Subject: Re: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
    Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list
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    Understood... but as others in the world use things like MySpace, or Hi5 or other free
    services, it's important to remember that this kind of competition is what deteriorates
    what's left of the original BBS community... I love the fact that I have the ability to
    manage and limit my WinServer clubs.. But the ability to record a Location, or a Birthday
    can be helpful instead of just a UserID and a Password.

    The ability for Authenticated users to view other members profiles without having to hunt
    or beg for that info is helpful and sadly, even though there were WCX add on apps for
    that like Dynamic Registry, or things like that, they no longer work, and the author's no
    longer exist to permit registration of their apps.

    I love the ability to have an "All In One" system for mail, web, listserve and not have to
    spend countless $$$ and time to set each system up.. But right now, the biggest

    competitions out there like Yahoo Groups, or Google Groups deter people from building
    their own community systems even though most can do this with dynamic DNS resolution
    and simple DSL service such as that offered by http://www.no-ip.com/

    And yes, there are other competitors out there similar to WinServer offerings such as
    EzFileShare http://www.sharing-file.com/ for a mere $49.95 which does ok but lacks
    true email abilities or files.bbs configuration. Yes, I've run this too to manage my files
    but I prefer Winserver because I can organize new files and library grouping better.
    Still, since more and more are using DSL and DHCP assigned IP addresses, I guess it's
    important to convey to others that there is a way to still create a service such as
    winserver beyond just being stuck with static IP addresses. Even voice over IP

    companies like Vonage or SunRocket have to deal with this kind of stuff these days.

    But the kicker here, is to convey to the potential customer that he doesn't have to spend
    megabucks for static connectivity like T1's or such and by being able to show the client
    this it might be a way to resurect the old BBS philosophy once again.

    Here's an example of WinServer usage... You obviously know what a pain in the butt is
    is to set up a PPP connection with a modem so that laptop workers can dial into
    the
    home office. Laptop workers that don't want to spend money for internet service

    providers that they only use a couple times a week... But using a Winserver and having
    a Navigator connection they can just fire up their modem and gain internet access
    momentarily. Now, suppose the Host Winserver was also using something like SunRocket or Vonage.. Imagine how this could significantly reduce monthly costs
    but
    allow this needed technology.

    The average joe, could be a host, over a Cable Modem or a plain old DSL line and still
    have a very well defined business outreach.

    Or how about the old Echomail concept brought into the next level where my Winserver
    and your winserver could manage unified groups identical on both geographical sides of
    the planet... I can offer my TX people cheap dial-up, and the the guy in CA can do the
    same.. and yeah I know you know all about the echomail concept since you did lots of
    work with it as well as my partner Wynn Wagner. It was a way to eliminate the high
    cost of staying in touch.

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    Today, the Yahoo and Google group club concept is ok but, it's becomes more appealing
    to "Takers" not "Givers"... The owner of the group posts files for others to take down,,
    but there's no way to encourage others to upload and shave their creations. Yahoo
    Groups has also eliminated their online Chat Rooms forcing the group owner to go
    elsewhere like http://www.spinchat.com/ to incorporate this kind of feature.

    So I guess the big question is in order to build a useful community group, do I
    need to go
    out to Yahoo and build a group there, and then spinchat and build a chatroom there, and
    then someplace else to host the HTML and so on and so on.. or do I go out to Santronics
    and get me a Winserver that can do it all??

    The ability to have this one server assume several identities is also good. You can have
    a Cooking group, a Programing group or a Health Related group and each is a living
    legacy different from the other.. A library that can contain and store historical data and
    not force the Grourmet Chefs to wade through geeky computer program junk that is
    better suited to geeks not chefs..

    But wait, let's take it one step further... Since the internet is the world's largest online
    library, what can be done to allow search spiders to record certain file areas,
    but not the
    entire system? And if the user finds one of these links on Google how can we show them
    a screen saying "...you can view this free file but you need to establish a login account
    first.." Why, so the hosting person has a bread crumb trail of who's reading his
    documents about the ingredients used to make crystal methe and know that it's not being
    posted on some kinky "Make your own drugs" website. Yes, we always need some level
    of control.. Even back in the old BBS days we had BBS's that listed how to make
    your
    own pipe bomb and this will always be an abusive issue.

    Just as the spamers have used the power of the net to sell Viagra and other crap by
    cloaking their true identity. There will always be someone out there pondering a "get rich
    quick scheme" Sad but true.. There will always be grown adults hunting to sexualy
    abuse kids but by knowing and planing this kind of negative stuff it doesn't have to
    condemn or punish the entire human race either.

    Winserver has lots of abilities that you can capitalize on... Heck, mine is running on a
    WiFi Sonly Laptop with thousands of organized files in my library but the best part is that
    the community of users not only suck and download these files, but they share and
    upload their own special gems enabling the knowledge-base to continually grow.
    I know
    life in Florida is different than life in Texas but having the ability to convey these things
    allows club members to see beyond a simple narrow-minded vision. And as a hobbiest,
    and a well-known artist, this is key.

    But enough of this jabber, I have to get some work done.. I can only hope that maybe
    some of what I've said enlightens you a bit.. There's a lot of non-geek people
    out there
    like my mom who's lucky to even hunt and peck on a keyboard.. but this same person
    had the artistic ability to do *all* of the floral arrangements for my little brother's
    wedding ceremony this Friday. So she's a floral geek not a Compu-Geek.. but imagine if
    there was a Winserver based Floral Geek club she could hunt and peck her way to
    and
    figure out the best place to buy her supplies or find others who could teach her tricks to
    save time and money. And not just spending hours doing search after search through
    Google. Best of all, if she wanted to come up with her own web page, this Floral Geek
    winserver might even have a way for her to build her own advertising page for some
    pocketchange on the site.


    On 10/25/06 2:46 AM, HECTOR SANTOS wrote to RICK WAGNER:

    -

    .....Not so clean and elegant with the WEB equivalent and using
    non-persistent
    connections.

    The details are too complex and old to go over again, but let me just state the new version pays a lot of attention to making it common and consistent, for example, how a bad name lookup is checked. The TEXT version was different than the WEB version when it checked for valid characters in a
    new user name. That is now a COMMON logic between the WEB and TEXT mode. :-)

    ---
    HLS




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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:10:44 2019
    Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:12:50 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: All
    Subject: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
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    All those items you listed would be a great addition to the Who is
    Online


    Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:33:57 -0400
    From: HECTOR SANTOS
    To: ALL
    Subject: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
    Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list
    Message-ID: <1161664437.33.0@winserver.com>
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    I want to collect new ideas for the WHO IS ONLINE, especially for the web.

    Since this is a auto refresh page, it would be able to get additional
    status information from the server. I want to make this a more active page with maybe:

    - User pictures
    - IMs links
    - A link to send an email
    - A user profile link
    - A click to start a CHAT
    - More accurate Activity column

    etc. What do you think?

    If anyone has a cool outline for what it would look like, why not create one, just a sample template and lets see if we can use it. :-)

    ---
    HLS

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  • From BRIAN CAOUETTE@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:10:44 2019
    Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:18:45 -0400
    From: BRIAN CAOUETTE
    To: HECTOR SANTOS
    Subject: RE: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
    Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list
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    restofmaine.com has one i wrote. I like it. The ability to do IM (User Page) via web would be cool too.

    On 2006-10-24 12:33 AM, HECTOR SANTOS wrote to ALL:

    I want to collect new ideas for the WHO IS ONLINE, especially for the web.

    Since this is a auto refresh page, it would be able to get additional
    status information from the server. I want to make this a more active page with maybe:

    - User pictures
    - IMs links
    - A link to send an email
    - A user profile link
    - A click to start a CHAT
    - More accurate Activity column

    etc. What do you think?

    If anyone has a cool outline for what it would look like, why not create one, just a sample template and lets see if we can use it. :-)

    ---
    HLS


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  • From HECTOR SANTOS@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:10:44 2019
    Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:59:33 -0400
    From: HECTOR SANTOS
    To: BRIAN CAOUETTE
    Subject: RE: A Better WHO IS ONLINE
    Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list
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    Yes Brian, I think that is the next natural concept to add to the system.

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    HLS

    On 2007-08-04 4:18 PM, BRIAN CAOUETTE wrote to HECTOR SANTOS:

    restofmaine.com has one i wrote. I like it. The ability to do IM (User Page) via web would be cool too.

    On 2006-10-24 12:33 AM, HECTOR SANTOS wrote to ALL:

    I want to collect new ideas for the WHO IS ONLINE, especially for the
    web.

    Since this is a auto refresh page, it would be able to get additional status information from the server. I want to make this a more active
    page
    with maybe:

    - User pictures
    - IMs links
    - A link to send an email
    - A user profile link
    - A click to start a CHAT
    - More accurate Activity column

    etc. What do you think?

    If anyone has a cool outline for what it would look like, why not create one, just a sample template and lets see if we can use it. :-)

    ---
    HLS



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