Quoting Jeff Snyder to Peter Coggon <=-
On 04/23/09, Jeff Snyder quoted PETER COGGON: Thought Police in
Britain.
Interesting posting, but then before it happened over here my friend also posted about the London Buses having signs on them proclaiming....
"GOD doesn't Exist...Now you can get on with your lifes!"
Hello Peter. I had heard that the British were turning into quite an ungodly people, but I didn't know that it had now gone that far. Amazing...or perhaps "sad" would be a better choice of words. :(
Actually, this is pretty well old news, and sent to me long ago by an unbeliever, who was as a youth brought up the traditional way all through the war years, and...Jeff., Guess What? There are buses in North America, with this same slogan on them. Why, you might ask? Because they applied for them to be placed there, and they paid for them. Simple is the reason,. Cause and Effect.
None of them, and that includes Mr. Dawkins impress me.
They do look for reaction, and they mostly all seem like they have a chip on their shoulder, which is "ok" with me, but I have heard their opinion, and I would like to opinion on what they have said...but get shooted down.
Quoting Jeff Snyder to Peter Coggon <=-
Hello again Peter. When you say "North America", do you mean just
Canada, or the USA as well? For the record, I haven't lived in the continental USA for 26 years, so other than the online news that I
read, or the news that some people send me via email, my information sources for what is actually going on in various parts of the country
is somewhat limited.
I have no idea who this Mr. Dawkins is. Is he one of those blatant, in-your-face atheists perhaps?
Well, if I saw a bus which had a banner on it, which said in large
letters that God does not exist, it would certainly get a reaction out
of me. It would make me very upset, and I would find it very offensive.
I find it appalling that such things are now permissible over there.
Oh, how God must weep!
As far as I am concerned, I want a banner that they don't exist, but then I don't want to waste money on them. Not worth it, so now well ignored.
Well, if I saw a bus which had a banner on it, which said in large
letters that God does not exist, it would certainly get a reaction
out of me. It would make me very upset, and I would find it very
offensive.
Some are offended, as Steve Asher has reported. Drivers apparently refusing to drive buses with this message on them, that attacks their faith that there is a GOD. I personally would not drive the bus
out of fear of the bus being attacked for the sign, which they' could have, so long as the passengers and bus are ok.
Quoting Bob Ackley to Peter Coggon <=-
During the past Christmas season an atheist group was allowed to put
up a large sign saying basically that there was no God, that the
Christian story of Christmas is a myth and that the celebration was co-opted by Christians from the pagan mid-winter festival (which it
was). The sign was placed next to a manger scene and a Jewish menorah.
The Christian right wing went absolutely ballistic over the sign - and some good, God-fearing Christian stole it.
-!- FleetStreet 1.19+
! Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:300/3)
During the past Christmas season an atheist group was allowed to put
up a large sign saying basically that there was no God, that the
Christian story of Christmas is a myth and that the celebration was
co-opted by Christians from the pagan mid-winter festival (which it
was). The sign was placed next to a manger scene and a Jewish
menorah.
For some reason Bob ... I think I saw either this one or another and
at the Christmas Season, and they were switching names to less
offensive as the "Holiday Season" and others, and I thought how
....well I shall omit the words.
In Rome do as Romans do .... echoed...and I thought..if they whomever
come here, they will have to accept things they find
offensive...sorry but in their country, well those coming there have
to accept it all and thats it...only here it seems, we bend over
backwards to appease these minorities.
In one Arab country, to celebrate Christmas, one has to arrange for a most remote place to be secured to enjoy one's religious believe
which is Christmas.
The Christian right wing went absolutely ballistic over the sign -
and some good, God-fearing Christian stole it. -!- FleetStreet
1.19+ ! Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:300/3)
Well I would too, and it isn't religious. I have no problems with
any faith celebrating, but please don't imped my believes.
Can not even call it a Christnas tree anymore...but a "Holiday Tree"
and it has gone far enough. I am not going to worry about it being found. If a God-fearing Christian stole it or not...I am glad
someone did something. OK illegal..theft..whatever.
Had I been the mall owner or manager those religious displays would have been gone the same day. You folks just don't respect *other* people's beliefs, especially when they are diametrically opposed to your own.
On 05/05/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley:
does NOT mean that we
Christians
need to accept or respect their beliefs, and we most certainly don't when those beliefs are contrary to what we are taught in God's Word, the
Bible. You
can believe whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your beliefs, or
to respect them.
wouldcertainly
do, are you respecting the beliefs of those who put them up? Most
not! You are preaching one thing, while doing quite another. You demand tolerance, but refuse to show the same tolerance. That makes you a hypocrite,
doesn't it?
On 05/05/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.
Had I been the mall owner or manager those religious displays would
have been gone the same day. You folks just don't respect *other*
people's beliefs, especially when they are diametrically opposed to
your own.
Bob, as I have often told my readers, there is a very big difference between respecting another person's right to believe as they wish,
and actually respecting their specific beliefs. Every American
citizen has the right to believe as they wish, but that most
certainly does NOT mean that we Christians need to accept or respect
their beliefs, and we most certainly don't when those beliefs are
contrary to what we are taught in God's Word, the Bible. You can
believe whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your
beliefs, or to respect them. By taking down those religious displays
as you say you would do, are you respecting the beliefs of those who
put them up? Most certainly not!
You are preaching one thing, while
doing quite another. You demand tolerance, but refuse to show the
same tolerance. That makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?
I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed with their own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples' beliefs and rights why should anybody else respect theirs?
Had I been the mall owner or manager those religious displays would >BA>have been gone the same day. You folks just don't respect *other* >BA>people's beliefs, especially when they are diametrically opposed to >BA>your own.
Bob, as I have often told my readers, there is a very big difference >JS>between respecting another person's right to believe as they wish,
and actually respecting their specific beliefs. Every American
citizen has the right to believe as they wish, but that most
certainly does NOT mean that we Christians need to accept or respect >JS>their beliefs, and we most certainly don't when those beliefs are >JS>contrary to what we are taught in God's Word, the Bible. You can >JS>believe whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your
beliefs, or to respect them. By taking down those religious displays
as you say you would do, are you respecting the beliefs of those who >JS>put them up? Most certainly not!
I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed with thei BA>own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples' beliefs and rights why BA>should anybody else respect theirs?
You are preaching one thing, while doing quite another. You
demand tolerance, but refuse to show the same tolerance. That
makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?
Nope. Nor am I a hypocrite that claims to be tolerant but who supports BA>acts of intolerance.
I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed with >BA>their own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples' beliefs and >BA>rights why should anybody else respect theirs?
Obviously, I am not familiar with the event in question, and I likewise don' JS>know who specifically was behind the incident. However, if they were truly JS>Bible-believing Christians, then as one who tries to live by the teachings o JS>Jesus Christ, I would have to say that I would disagree with such acts of JS>violence. I endeavor to live peaceably with all men, as the Apostle Paul JS>advised us to do. I refuse to engage in violence of any kind, whether it is JS>abortion, or war.
I also think that a tit-for-tat approach is not the right answer.
does NOT mean that we Christians need to accept or respect their >JS>beliefs, and we most certainly don't wh those beliefs are contrary
to what we are taught in God's Word, the Bible. You can believe >JS>whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your beliefs, or
to respect them.
By not respecting other's beliefs, you are by default, a bigot.
By taking down those religious displays as you say you would do,
are you respecting the beliefs of those who put them up? Most
certainly not! You are preaching one thing, while doing quite
another. You demand tolerance, but refuse to show the same
tolerance. That makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?
Bob is the biggest hypocrite in Fidonet.
Jeff Snyder is the biggest bigot in Fidonet.
On 05/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.
I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed
with their own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples'
beliefs and rights why should anybody else respect theirs?
Obviously, I am not familiar with the event in question, and I
likewise don't know who specifically was behind the incident.
A group of atheists put up a display next to a Christmas display in a Seattle shopping mall. The display consisted primarily of a sign welcoming readers to the winter solstice (which is December 21st) and pointing out that long ago Christianity co-opted that pagan holiday celebration as their own.
Assuming that the biblical story of Christmas is true, then Jesus could *not* have been born in December and was most likely born in the late spring - right around the time of Easter. In any case that sign was stolen/destroyed; since the only people who would have been upset by it would be fundamentalist Christians one can safely assume that those were the perpetrators.
On 06/23/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.
A group of atheists put up a display next to a Christmas display in a
Seattle shopping mall. The display consisted primarily of a sign
welcoming readers to the winter solstice (which is December 21st)
and pointing out that long ago Christianity co-opted that pagan
holiday celebration as their own. Assuming that the biblical story
of Christmas is true, then Jesus could *not* have been born in
December and was most likely born in the late spring - right around
the time of Easter. In any case that sign was stolen/destroyed;
since the only people who would have been upset by it would be
fundamentalist Christians one can safely assume that those were the
perpetrators.
/d14-15
Bob, that is ridiculous. Those foolish atheists were purposely picking
a fight, and you know it.
They might as well as gone up and poked the Christians in the eye. You "safely assume" because that is what you want to believe.
I will agree, however, that Christmas is a
Christianized pagan holiday, and that Jesus was born nowhere near
that time of the year. Even the Bible offers evidence of this point.
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