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Thought police muscle up in Britain

Hal G. P. Colebatch | April 21, 2009

BRITAIN appears to be evolving into the first modern soft totalitarian
state. As a sometime teacher of political science and international law,
I do not use the term totalitarian loosely.

There are no concentration camps or gulags but there are thought police
with unprecedented powers to dictate ways of thinking and sniff out heresy, and there can be harsh punishments for dissent.

Nikolai Bukharin claimed one of the Bolshevik Revolution's principal tasks
was "to alter people's actual psychology". Britain is not Bolshevik, but a campaign to alter people's psychology and create a new Homo britannicus is under way without even a fig leaf of disguise.

The Government is pushing ahead with legislation that will criminalise politically incorrect jokes, with a maximum punishment of up to seven
years' prison. The House of Lords tried to insert a free-speech amendment,
but Justice Secretary Jack Straw knocked it out. It was Straw who previously called for a redefinition of Englishness and suggested the "global baggage
of empire" was linked to soccer violence by "racist and xenophobic white males". He claimed the English "propensity for violence" was used to
subjugate Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and that the English as a race
were "potentially very aggressive".

[...]

Full article at "The Australian" http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25361297-7583,00.html


Cheers, Steve..

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Hello Steve.,

At the thought of thought police in England, and your posting
I am reminded by posting by a judge retired, of the same.
seems to be normal in response to International Terrorism but
it also has impacted the UK as a whole, as my learned friend
has pointed out to me.

I am going to forward to him your text .... and allow him to
reply if he desires through me.

Interesting posting, but then before it happened over here
my friend also posted about the London Buses having signs
on them proclaiming....

"GOD doesn't Exist...Now you can get on with your lifes!"

ttfn

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On 04/23/09, Jeff Snyder quoted PETER COGGON: Thought Police in Britain.

Interesting posting, but then before it happened over here my friend also posted about the London Buses having signs on them proclaiming....

"GOD doesn't Exist...Now you can get on with your lifes!"

Hello Peter. I had heard that the British were turning into quite an ungodly people, but I didn't know that it had now gone that far. Amazing...or perhaps "sad" would be a better choice of words. :(

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Mulling over PETER COGGON to STEVE ASHER 22 Apr 2009

Hello Peter,

At the thought of thought police in England, and your posting I
am reminded by posting by a judge retired, of the same.
seems to be normal in response to International Terrorism but it
also has impacted the UK as a whole, as my learned friend has
pointed out to me.

I am going to forward to him your text .... and allow him to reply
if he desires through me.

Thank you, I would be interested in his reply.

Interesting posting, but then before it happened over here
my friend also posted about the London Buses having signs
on them proclaiming....

"GOD doesn't Exist...Now you can get on with your lifes!"

It is (or was) an advertising campaign, and a number of US cities
have "Why Islam?" adverts promoting islam as a "religion of peace".
It puts the bus company in a quandary - do they censor such things,
or allow them as free speech, and in the case of the British buses
there were objections from some drivers over being assigned to drive
buses which contradicted their faith.

Britain is accommodating its muslim minority, while repressing its
(professing) Christian majority - banning "Saint George" parades,
renaming Christmas as Winterval, serving halal food to all children
in some schools, not having "piggy banks" in bank branches because
it "offends" the minority, and so on.

Cheers, Steve..

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Mulling over Jeff Snyder to PETER COGGON 23 Apr 2009

Hello Jeff,

Interesting posting, but then before it happened over here my friend also posted about the London Buses having signs on them proclaiming....

"GOD doesn't Exist...Now you can get on with your lifes!"

Hello Peter. I had heard that the British were turning into quite
an ungodly people, but I didn't know that it had now gone that far. Amazing...or perhaps "sad" would be a better choice of words. :(

Here is a snippet from an article 3 months ago when the "Atheist Bus
Campaign" started. The UK is being rapidly and radically transformed
into a nation that rejects Christ and Christianity in favour of islam
and other anti-Christian beliefs, but this merely bears out the
prophecies concerning the falling away, or apostasy.

-=<*>=-

Atheist bus adverts could lead to watchdog ruling on God's existence

The advertising watchdog is being called upon to rule on the likelihood
of God's existence after complaints were made about the atheist bus advert campaign.

Officials at the Advertising Standards Authority are now considering whether to tackle the question that has taxed the minds of the world's greatest thinkers for centuries.

It has recorded 48 complaints since Tuesday when buses first hit the streets emblazoned with the message: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." At least 40 more people were understood to have made objections by last night.

[... ...]

Source: UK "Telegraph" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4177717/ Atheist-bus-adverts-could-lead-to-watchdog-ruling-on-Gods-existence.html

Cheers, Steve..

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On 04/24/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Thought Police in Britain.

It is (or was) an advertising campaign, and a number of US cities have "Why Islam?" adverts promoting islam as a "religion of peace". It puts the bus company in a quandary - do they censor such things, or allow them as free speech, and in the case of the British buses there were objections from some drivers over being assigned to drive buses which contradicted their faith.

While most Muslims may not act upon the violent tenets of their faith, and probably do live peaceful lives, just like the rest of us, the fact remains that the Qur'an does in fact promote the belief that under certain conditions, Muslims are obligated to kill for their faith; they are supposed to kill "infidels". Sadly, as we all know, there are extremists in every group, and in every religion, who take everything very literally. The truth is, again, as we all should know by now, all of the major religions, and some of the others as well, have supposedly killed in the name of their god at some time. They are all guilty of some degree of hypocrisy when it comes to the "peace" department.

I certainly wouldn't want to be in charge of one of those bus companies, and I most certainly would refuse to drive one of those buses which proclaims that God does not exist, if I were a Christian bus driver. I would fight it tooth and nail. Are you aware of any cases where a Christian bus driver has gone to court over this issue? If so, how did they fare?

Britain is accommodating its muslim minority, while repressing its (professing) Christian majority - banning "Saint George" parades, renaming Christmas as Winterval, serving halal food to all children in some schools, not having "piggy banks" in bank branches because it "offends" the minority, and so on.

I find the level of political correctness which has overtaken the world in recent years absolutely appalling. So in Britain it is now Winterval, and in the USA it is "Happy Holidays". Truly sad...not that Jesus was born anywhere near that time of the year, but still. It seems to me that all of this compromise is slowly leading to a unified world government, and a unified
world religion, but it certainly won't represent the things that I believe in.

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On 04/24/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Thought Police in Britain.

Here is a snippet from an article 3 months ago when the "Atheist Bus Campaign" started. The UK is being rapidly and radically transformed into a nation that rejects Christ and Christianity in favour of islam and other anti-Christian beliefs, but this merely bears out the prophecies concerning the falling away, or apostasy.

Hello Steve. Thanks for the news snippet. As in America, it is my
understanding that the apostasy has been occurring in Britian for quite a number of years now. As Jesus said, "Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them." All one has to do is look at what is coming out of America, or out of Britain, to determine where they stand in a spiritual sense. In particular, just look at their mass media exports, and the answer becomes clear. When such things as witches and warlocks and vampires are all the rave in movies, TV shows and books, you know that something is wrong. It was, after all, Britain that gave us witchcraft 101 with Harry Potter.

I recall a number of years ago when I and my daughter had gone for an appointment in one of our villages here. Our island is a tourist destination. While we were waiting for our bus ride home, a British tourist couple entered the building. It has been my practice for many years to carry Christian Gospel tracts in my waist pouch. I designed and printed them myself. It is a
shortened version of my article "Message To The World". Anyway, I offered one of my tracts to this British couple. While they were polite, their reaction
in refusing the tract said it all, and confirmed to me quite clearly that Britain is indeed traveling the road of darkness.

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Hello Steve.,

As I read our title "Thought Police in Britain" I am thinking
of movies, and it is so strange to read this, and know on a
whim, one can be picked up.... like 1984 coming or here.

Quoting Steve Asher to Peter Coggon <=-

Thank you, I would be interested in his reply.

Ok Will let you know when he reads it, and a reply. Perhaps
he will grace us with his appearance here. Warning, we don't
get along, so our debates can be hot ones <g>.

It is (or was) an advertising campaign, and a number of US cities
have "Why Islam?" adverts promoting islam as a "religion of peace".
It puts the bus company in a quandary - do they censor such things,
or allow them as free speech, and in the case of the British buses
there were objections from some drivers over being assigned to drive
buses which contradicted their faith.

Interesting. Also a note that Islam is the fastest growing with
converts everyday. I wonder what they convert to?

Britain is accommodating its muslim minority, while repressing its (professing) Christian majority - banning "Saint George" parades,
renaming Christmas as Winterval, serving halal food to all children
in some schools, not having "piggy banks" in bank branches because
it "offends" the minority, and so on.

Oh yes, I heard about the "St. George" bans too. All the rest as
so not to offend, but it is only fundalmentals getting all this
stuff going, all my friends different faiths, and all, I get
or try to get along with them all, wishing them the best at their
holidays and special days.

Looks like I'll be going to jail, because I still celebrate christmas.

Cheers, Steve..

take care....checking the mailbag tonight for my friend and debater.

Peter



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Mulling over Jeff Snyder to Steve Asher 24 Apr 2009

I certainly wouldn't want to be in charge of one of those bus
companies, and I most certainly would refuse to drive one of those
buses which proclaims that God does not exist, if I were a
Christian bus driver. I would fight it tooth and nail. Are you
aware of any cases where a Christian bus driver has gone to court
over this issue? If so, how did they fare?

If I recall correctly, the bus company respected the bus driver's
request not to drive these buses, and reassigned him to another
bus.

Britain is accommodating its muslim minority, while repressing its (professing) Christian majority - banning "Saint George" parades,
renaming Christmas as Winterval, serving halal food to all children
in some schools, not having "piggy banks" in bank branches because
it "offends" the minority, and so on.

I find the level of political correctness which has overtaken the
world in recent years absolutely appalling. So in Britain it is now Winterval, and in the USA it is "Happy Holidays". Truly sad...not
that Jesus was born anywhere near that time of the year, but still.
It seems to me that all of this compromise is slowly leading to a
unified world government, and a unified world religion, but it
certainly won't represent the things that I believe in.

I accept that Jesus was not born on or about the 25th December, it is
a holiday to honour His birth, in much the same way that Queen Elizabeth
was not born in June, but we have a "Queen's Birthday" holiday in June.
There are a number of steps here - one is to trivialise the message of
Christ's birth by replacing it with Father Christmas, presents, sending
cards and a "festive season" which includes Christmas and New Year.
Another is to eliminate the "reason for the season" in Jesus Christ,
and sell "holiday trees" and the like. Target in the USA sells these;
the Australian Target continues to sell Christmas trees (regardless
of whether the trees are pagan in origin & nothing to do with Christ's
birth - yet another issue).

Again, Easter, regardless of its origins, has become a time of celebrating rabbits and eggs, with little public recognition of Jesus' death for our
sins and subsequent resurrection.

Cheers, Steve..

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On 04/27/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Thought Police in Britain.

I accept that Jesus was not born on or about the 25th December, it is a holiday to honour His birth, in much the same way that Queen Elizabeth was not born in June, but we have a "Queen's Birthday" holiday in June. There are a number of steps here - one is to trivialise the message of Christ's birth by replacing it with Father Christmas, presents, sending cards and a "festive season" which includes Christmas and New Year. Another is to eliminate the "reason for the season" in Jesus Christ, and sell "holiday trees" and the like. Target in the USA sells these; the Australian Target continues to sell Christmas trees (regardless of whether the trees are pagan in origin & nothing to do with Christ's birth - yet another issue).

Again, Easter, regardless of its origins, has become a time of celebrating rabbits and eggs, with little public recognition of Jesus' death for our sins and subsequent resurrection.

Hello again Steve. We are on the same page regarding these issues. I have an entire section of our website dedicated to these topics. You can visit the "Pagan Myths And Traditions" articles group at the following URL. I think that you will like the animated graphic at the top of the page:

www.endtimeprophecy.net/EPN-1/GroupPages/gruppagn.html

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Hello Steve,

I accept that Jesus was not born on or about the 25th December

There is no doubt that Jesus was born on the 25th of December.
According to our modern calendar, that would be December 25, 5 BC.
Given the error as to how AD was computed, it should be noted as
being December 25, 1 BC.

Date of Birth: December 25, 1 BC (there is no 0 BC or 0 AD) Mt 1:17 Purification: January 1, 1 AD (there is no 0 BC or 0 AD) Lk 2:23

It's all in the Gospel According to Matthew. And a tad in Luke.

Matthew 1:1-17 gives the geneaology.
Matthew 1:17 gives the number of generations.
Matthew is giving a mathematical hint as to
the true birthdate of Jesus.

Abraham to David (14 generations)
David to the deportation to Babylon (14 generations)
The deportation to Babylon to the Christ (14 generations)

That is 40 generations.
The Christ would be 41.

Julius Caesar started his calendar in 45 BC.

Each generation = 1 year

45 - 40 = 5

Birthday of Jesus would be December 25, 5 BC.
How do I know it is no other day but December 25?

The calendar starts on January 1.
January 1 is the beginning of something new.
A new year, in the case of calendars.

What happened on January 1? Read Luke 2:21-22.

Which means Jesus had to have been born on Christmas Day.

January 1 is New Year's Day.
New Year's Day is the 8th day
following Christmas.

December 25, 5 BC (day 1) - Birth of the Christ
26, 5 BC (day 2)
27, 5 BC (day 3)
28, 5 BC (day 4)
29, 5 BC (day 5)
30, 5 BC (day 6)
31, 5 BC (day 7)
January 1, 4 BC (day 8) - Circumcision/Purification/Naming of Jesus

Note the error in the modern day calendar, AD being off by 4 years.
Which means the real date of Christ's birth being December 25, 1 BC,
and the real date of purification being January 1, 1 AD.

Luke 2:21 cicumcised (on day 8)
Luke 2:22 purification (on day 8)

it is a holiday to honour His birth,

December 25 is His birthday. His real birthday.

in much the same way that Queen Elizabeth was not born in June,
but we have a "Queen's Birthday" holiday in June.

Jesus' real birthday is December 25.
The only question that remains is what year
He was born in. I am not absolutely certain
of the year. Depends on how AD is computed.

There are a number of steps here - one is to trivialise the message of SA>Christ's birth by replacing it with Father Christmas, presents, sending SA>cards and a "festive season" which includes Christmas and New Year.

The commercialization of Christmas takes away from what Christmas is
meant to be all about. Same with Easter, as you mentioned.

--Lee


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Mulling over PETER COGGON to STEVE ASHER 25 Apr 2009

G'day Peter!

As I read our title "Thought Police in Britain" I am thinking of movies, and it is so strange to read this, and know on a
whim, one can be picked up.... like 1984 coming or here.

Thank you, I would be interested in his reply.

Ok Will let you know when he reads it, and a reply. Perhaps he
will grace us with his appearance here. Warning, we don't get
along, so our debates can be hot ones <g>.

OK ... he might play the ball & not the man

It is (or was) an advertising campaign, and a number of US cities
have "Why Islam?" adverts promoting islam as a "religion of peace".
It puts the bus company in a quandary - do they censor such things,
or allow them as free speech, and in the case of the British buses
there were objections from some drivers over being assigned to drive
buses which contradicted their faith.

Interesting. Also a note that Islam is the fastest growing with
converts everyday. I wonder what they convert to?

Some interesting claims made about Islam are that everyone is born
muslim ("pure"), but are led astray by their Christian / Jewish / Atheist parents, and "revert" to Islam, rather than "convert" to it. This is a
fairly common claim. (Search on revert islam to find relevant sites,
if interested)

Obviously this is not a biblically based claim, and the "numbers game"
of converts / reverts to Islam bears out the prophecy of the great
falling away (apostasy) that precedes the revealing of the man of
lawlessness (Antichrist) described in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12.

Britain is accommodating its muslim minority, while repressing its (professing) Christian majority - banning "Saint George" parades,
renaming Christmas as Winterval, serving halal food to all children
in some schools, not having "piggy banks" in bank branches because
it "offends" the minority, and so on.

Oh yes, I heard about the "St. George" bans too. All the rest as
so not to offend, but it is only fundalmentals getting all this
stuff going, all my friends different faiths, and all, I get or
try to get along with them all, wishing them the best at their
holidays and special days.

Looks like I'll be going to jail, because I still celebrate
christmas.

It may literally come to "Merry Christmas, and off with your head"
as the conspiracy against God and his only begotten Son comes to
its climax.

Cheers, Steve..

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Replying to a message of Lee Lofaso to Steve Asher:

December 25 is His birthday. His real birthday.

in much the same way that Queen Elizabeth was not born in June,
but we have a "Queen's Birthday" holiday in June.

Jesus' real birthday is December 25.
The only question that remains is what year
He was born in. I am not absolutely certain
of the year. Depends on how AD is computed.

I suppose that given the time and a computer one could determine precisely
when the modern calendar's December 25th would fall in 5 BC. I suspect it would be in March or April - right around the time of Easter.

Until about 1573 the human calendar and the solar calendar were not synchronized.
If memory serves the pope cut about two weeks out of that year to get the months
and the seasons more closely into sync, so that particular year had only about 50
weeks in it instead of 52. The lengths of some of the months were adjusted at the
same time. Prior to that year the human and solar calendars were of different lengths
and therefore the human date and the solar date would get farther and farther apart.

Also remember that under the old Roman calendar, September, October, November and December were respectively the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months. July and August
were inserted into the Roman calendar by the Caesars, Julius and Augustus respectively.


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