Hello Jeff...

Continuing, here is an extract from the online Jewish Encyclopedia,
the Laws, Noachian, which require capital punishment, normally by
decapitation, for breaches, and which are claimed to be still binding
on non-Jews (gentiles). While the nascent Sanhedrin is not yet in a
position to establish courts to enforce these laws, it is the clear
intention to do so.

From Jewish Encyclopedia

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=113&letter=L

LAWS, NOACHIAN:
By : Isidore Singer Julius H. Greenstone

The Seven Laws.

Laws which were supposed by the Rabbis to have been binding upon mankind
at large even before the revelation at Sinai, and which are still binding
upon non-Jews.

[... ...]

In the elaboration of these seven Noachian laws, and in assigning punishments for their transgression, the Rabbis are sometimes more lenient and sometimes more rigorous with Noachidae than with Israelites. With but a few exceptions, the punishment meted out to a Noachid for the transgression of any of the
seven laws is decapitation, the least painful of the four modes of execution
of criminals (see Capital Punishment). The many formalities of procedure essential when the accused is an Israelite need not be observed in the case
of the Noachid. The latter may be convicted on the testimony of one witness, even on that of relatives, but not on that of a woman. He need have had no warning ("hatra'ah") from the witnesses; and a single judge may pass sentence on him (ib. 57a, b; "Yad," l.c. ix. 14). With regard to idolatry, he can be found guilty only if he worshiped an idol in the regular form in which that particular deity is usually worshiped; while in the case of blasphemy he may
be found guilty, even when he has blasphemed with one of the attributes of God's name - an action which, if committed by an Israelite, would not be regarded as criminal (ib. 56b; see Blasphemy).

[... ...]

Noahides (gentiles) are clearly considered to be less than Jews when it
comes to a trial; testimony of one witness (not a woman) being enough,
single judge (no jury?) - mandatory Noahide Courts will not be Courts
as we have now, which will be handy when it comes to beheading large
numbers of followers of Jesus Christ when the time comes - no need for
lengthy trials and appeals processes as we have now.

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On 04/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Decapitation in Judaism.

Continuing, here is an extract from the online Jewish Encyclopedia, the Laws, Noachian, which require capital punishment, normally by decapitation, for breaches, and which are claimed to be still binding on non-Jews (gentiles). While the nascent Sanhedrin is not yet in a position to establish courts to enforce these laws, it is the clear intention to do so.

Noahides (gentiles) are clearly considered to be less than Jews when it comes to a trial; testimony of one witness (not a woman) being enough, single judge (no jury?) - mandatory Noahide Courts will not be Courts as we have now, which will be handy when it comes to beheading large numbers of followers of Jesus Christ when the time comes - no need for lengthy trials and appeals processes as we have now.

This is very interesting indeed. I am fully aware of the real Jewish attitude towards Gentiles. As I point out in my series "The International Jew And The Protocols Of Zion", they view the Gentile world as nothing but "cattle" meant for their use and exploitation. As you undoubtedly already know, the
Babylonian Talmud has some very sickening things to say about Gentiles, and
the Jews who observe its mandates clearly embrace a double standard when it comes to the treatment of Jews and Gentiles. If you are interested in reading my four-part series, you can go here:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/EPN-1/GroupPages/grupcnsp.html

Again, I must say that some of what you are now sharing is news to me, and
does seem to align itself with a number of Christian eschatological beliefs.

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Mulling over Jeff Snyder to Steve Asher 06 Apr 2009

Continuing, here is an extract from the online Jewish Encyclopedia, the Laws, Noachian, which require capital punishment, normally by
decapitation, for breaches, and which are claimed to be still
binding on non-Jews (gentiles). While the nascent Sanhedrin is not
yet in a position to establish courts to enforce these laws, it is
the clear intention to do so.

Noahides (gentiles) are clearly considered to be less than Jews when it comes to a trial; testimony of one witness (not a woman) being enough, single judge (no jury?) - mandatory Noahide Courts will not be
Courts as we have now, which will be handy when it comes to
beheading large numbers of followers of Jesus Christ when the time
comes - no need for lengthy trials and appeals processes as we have
now.

This is very interesting indeed. I am fully aware of the real
Jewish attitude towards Gentiles. As I point out in my series "The International Jew And The Protocols Of Zion", they view the Gentile
world as nothing but "cattle" meant for their use and exploitation.
As you undoubtedly already know, the Babylonian Talmud has some
very sickening things to say about Gentiles, and the Jews who
observe its mandates clearly embrace a double standard when it
comes to the treatment of Jews and Gentiles. If you are interested
in reading my four-part series, you can go here:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/EPN-1/GroupPages/grupcnsp.html

I don't have a copy of the Babylonian Talmud, but much of the Noahide
Law material originates with Maimonides aka Rambam, and clearly will
have the effect of enslaving Gentiles under the yoke of the law, and
"banning" salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

While some dismiss the idea that Jews are obligated to impose and enforce
the noahide laws, it is the clear intention from certain writings that
these laws will be enforced - breaches will be punished, and refusal
to accept them will also be punished, with death by the sword. The stage
is being set for a massive blood-fest under a counterfeit messiah, and
a counterfeit set of laws that reject salvation by grace through faith
in Jesus Christ.

For example:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.ohrtorahstone.org.il/parsha/5762/kiteze62.htm

Shabbat Shalom: Parshat Ki Tetze Deuteronomy 21:10-25:19

By Shlomo Riskin

[... ... ...]

Most critical to the point is that Maimonides rules in accordance with Shimon and Levi. After this great philospher-legalist, disciple of our Gaonim and student of Aristotle, sets down the principle that "Moses bequeathed the 613 commandments only to Israel," he insists that "in a similar fashion Moses was commanded to enforce the seven commandments of Noah upon every human being- and whoever does not accept them, must be killed (Laws of Kings 8,10).

Maimonides then goes one step further, as he defines each of the seven Noahide laws: "And how are the Gentiles commanded to establish law courts? They are required to establish judges and executors in every area of habitation to rule in accordance with the enforcement of the other six commands, to warn the citizenry concerning these laws and to punish any transgressor with death by the sword. And then Maimonides concludes: "And it is on this basis that all the people of Shekhem were guilty of death (at the hands of Shimon and Levi, sons of
Jacob): because Shekhem (their Prince) stole (and raped) Dinah, which they saw and knew about, but did not bring him to justicea" (Maimonides. Laws of Kings, 9, 14).

Maimonides is teaching that unless humanity accepts fundamental morality - Thou shalt not rape, Thou shalt not murder- a free humanity will not endure. The Torah of the seven Noahide laws must be accepted by everyone; those who do not, and have the capability to destroy, are automatically in the category of "those who come to murder innocent people, must be killed before they can wreak
their havoc." All of Shekhem shares in the guilt of their Prince if
they did not bring him to justice; all who harbor, aid or abet terrorists share
in their guilt. There are no innocent citizens of terrorist societies. Had the Germans declared the destruction of Jewish property unacceptable after Kristalnacht, the holocaust would have ended before it began. The only way for terrorism to be stopped is by not allowing it to continue unpunished; the only way for civilization to endure- especially in a global village with mass weapons of destruction- is by insisting on the acceptance of the seven Noahide laws of humanity by every citizen of the world.

Shabbat Shalom.


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Steve Asher -> Jeff Snyder wrote:

Hello Jeff...

Continuing, here is an extract from the online Jewish Encyclopedia,
the Laws, Noachian, which require capital punishment, normally by decapitation, for breaches, and which are claimed to be still binding
on non-Jews (gentiles). While the nascent Sanhedrin is not yet in a position to establish courts to enforce these laws, it is the clear intention to do so.

From Jewish Encyclopedia

Check this one:

http://www.mideastweb.org/jewreligion.htm

Regrettably, some Jews, like the late Rabbi Kahana and his followers, are bigots or racists, just as some Christians and Muslims (including those who publish the anti-Semitic material on the Web) are bigots or racists. The holy books and teachings of each religion were created a long time ago, and in part reflect the prejudices and errors that were popular at the time they were written. Many bigots find "proofs" of their beliefs in over-literal or incorrect or fake interpretations of the holy books and teachings of each religion.


Do all Jews believe in and follow the Talmud and other Law Books?


Noam Chomsky is Jewish and he certainly doesn't follow the laws of the Talmud,
and neither does Israeli PM Ariel Sharon. Within the Jewish religion, there are
several different branches. Orthodox Jews follow the Talmud and later rulings by different accepted rabbinical authorities on the Halacha. Different orthodox
Jewish sects follow different rabbis and have slightly different laws. Most orthodox Jews do not accept several important rulings of the chief Rabbinate of
Israel, for example. Conservative Jews follow a slightly different Halacha, and
Reform and Reconstructionist Jews and the Jewish Renewal movement are even more
liberal in their interpretation of the law.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a document that was forged by the Czarist Okhrana secret police in the nineteenth century. Its true origin has nothing to do with Judaism or Jews. It claims that the Jews plan to take over the world in conjunction with the Freemasons. (HAHAHA!) The fabrication was apparently concocted by plagiarizing from an 1864 non-anti-Semitic satire by Maurice Joly and from an 1868 anti-Semitic novel by one Hermann Goedche written
in 1868. In 1921, the New York Times exposed the protocols as a hoax, relying on a book by Lucien Wolfe published in London, on research by Alan Dulles and information supplied by an anti-Semitic Russian emigre. The Protocols are sometimes entitled "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion."

A version of the document and elaborations on the theme of the "International Jew" were published by Henry Ford's (a NAZI!)Dearborn Independent newspaper in a series of articles in the 1920s. Ford had printed 500,000 copies of the Protocols, but he later retracted and apologized. Nonetheless, numerous racists
cite Ford as an "authority" for the authenticity of the Protocols of the Elders
of Zion. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion have been translated into many languages including Arabic and regrettably enjoy a wide readership in Arab countries. The Hamas Charter assumes that they are factual.(OW! That shows how ridiculous Mr. Asher really is!).

So, Mr. Asher puts his intellectual faith in Henry Ford, a Nazi in hiding.

Mr. Asher is a fool hiding in a cloud of intellectualism.

Mr. Asher's bluff is hearby called.

Regards,

Joe

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Elders of Zion. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion have been
translated into many languages including Arabic and regrettably
enjoy a wide readership in Arab countries. The Hamas Charter
assumes that they are factual.(OW! That shows how ridiculous Mr.
Asher really is!).

In what way?

So, Mr. Asher puts his intellectual faith in Henry Ford, a Nazi in
hiding.

In what way?

Mr. Asher is a fool hiding in a cloud of intellectualism.

In what way?

Mr. Asher's bluff is hearby called.

What bluff are you calling, Mr. Bruchis?

Perhaps if you search the recent posts looking for occurences of
the document you mention, you will find two posters mentioning
it. I am not one of those posters.

I expect an apology, and a retraction.

Cheers, Steve..

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Steve Asher -> Joe Bruchis wrote:

Mulling over Joe Bruchis to Steve Asher 06 Apr 2009

Elders of Zion. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion have been
translated into many languages including Arabic and regrettably
enjoy a wide readership in Arab countries. The Hamas Charter
assumes that they are factual.(OW! That shows how ridiculous Mr.
Asher really is!).

In what way?

You deleted the post above, and you were in agreement with Snyder.

Regards,

Joe

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On 04/08/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Decapitation in Judaism.

I don't have a copy of the Babylonian Talmud, but much of the Noahide Law material originates with Maimonides aka Rambam, and clearly will have the effect of enslaving Gentiles under the yoke of the law, and "banning" salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

If you would like to get a basic idea of what kinds of teachings are included in the Babylonian Talmud, please visit the following link, and scroll down the page until you come to the header which says ""Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud":

www.endtimeprophecy.net/EPN-1/Articles/Articles-Cnsp/truthtal.html

Unless I am mistaken, I also include some excerpts from the Babylonian Talmud in my four-part series "The International Jew And The Protocols Of Zion", whichc is a part of that same section on our site.

While some dismiss the idea that Jews are obligated to impose and enforce the noahide laws, it is the clear intention from certain writings that these laws will be enforced - breaches will be punished, and refusal to accept them will also be punished, with death by the sword. The stage is being set for a massive blood-fest under a counterfeit messiah, and a counterfeit set of laws that reject salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

I suppose that of all that you have said, the bloodfest part is what I find most difficult to accept. As I have already said, it has been my belief for a number of years that the Beast and the False Prophet may be of Islamic origin, and will attack and invade Israel, followed by ten Arab/Muslim nations.

As I point out on our site, I make a distinction between the Beast and the Antichrist. I tend to agree that the Antichrist will more than likely be a Jewish false messiah, but the Beast and the False Prophet will be external invaders to Israel.

Again, I suggest that we take this to EDGE_ONLINE so that we can talk more freely without raising feathers in this echo.

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The holy

books and teachings of each religion were created a long time ago, and

in part

reflect the prejudices and errors that were popular at the time they

were

written. Many bigots find "proofs" of their beliefs in over-literal or incorrect or fake interpretations of the holy books and teachings of

each

religion.

Brand new to this echo...
This is the first thing I've run into...that makes sense. :-)

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Quoting Johnjwilson to Joe Bruchis <=-

The holy books and teachings of each religion were created
a long time ago, and in part reflect the prejudices and errors
that were popular at the time they were written.
Many bigots find "proofs" of their beliefs in over-literal or
incorrect or fake interpretations of the holy books and
teachings of each religion.

Brand new to this echo...
This is the first thing I've run into...that makes sense. :-)

hello John and Joe .... I'd have to agree, based upon the rulers
wanting to make their devine right as having come from God, they
had the clergy, they installed in their "jobs" re-write Bibles
to show their devine rule.

carry on .... you guys have provided food for thought to those of
the silent readers society.

Peter


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Hello Peter,

The holy books and teachings of each religion were created
a long time ago, and in part reflect the prejudices and errors
that were popular at the time they were written.
Many bigots find "proofs" of their beliefs in over-literal or
incorrect or fake interpretations of the holy books and
teachings of each religion.

Brand new to this echo...
This is the first thing I've run into...that makes sense. :-)

hello John and Joe .... I'd have to agree, based upon the rulers
wanting to make their devine right as having come from God, they
had the clergy, they installed in their "jobs" re-write Bibles
to show their devine rule.

How many books did the Buddha write?
How many books did Confucius write?
How many books did Jesus write?
How many books did Muhammad write?

The point is, it often is not the one who is revered who
wrote the books, but rather those who seek to benefit from
those who believe. Can an individual who is non-Christian
be elected president of the USA? Can an individual who is
non-Muslim be elected president of a Muslim country? Can
an individual who is a non-Jew be elected prime minister
of Israel? I think not.

A power-mad ayatollah would use Islam as a means to control his people.
A power-mad preacher would use Christianity as a means to control his
people. A power-mad rabbi would use Judaism as a means to control his
people. The ayatollah/preacher/rabbi might act as a power behind the
throne, with an elected leader being under his control. And that would
be the basis for a conspiracy, would it not?

carry on .... you guys have provided food for thought to those of
the silent readers society.

Food for thought? You want food for thought? Okay. You got it -

Suppose the next election for president of the USA is between
an openly gay candidate and an openly atheist candidate. Which
candidate would be most likely to win?

--Lee


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On 04/12/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Lee Lofaso: Decapitation in Judaism.

Suppose the next election for president of the USA is between an openly gay candidate and an openly atheist candidate. Which candidate would be most likely to win?

The one in the middle...The agnostic who is confused about his sexual
identity. :)

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Suppose the next election for president of the USA is between an openly

gay

candidate and an openly atheist candidate. Which candidate would be

most

likely to win?

The one in the middle...The agnostic who is confused about his sexual identity. :)

VERY good! That's a out-loud chuckler :=-)

I've become smugly proud of my religious and political tolerance, saying tolerance is by far the best way to be...more reasonable, more intelligent;
and I still think that, but I've reminded myself probably a thousand times about that hot and cold business and worry about my position being abstract vomit :-
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Lee Lofaso -> Peter Coggon wrote:

Hello Peter,

The holy books and teachings of each religion were created
a long time ago, and in part reflect the prejudices and errors
that were popular at the time they were written.
Many bigots find "proofs" of their beliefs in over-literal or
incorrect or fake interpretations of the holy books and
teachings of each religion.

Brand new to this echo...
This is the first thing I've run into...that makes sense. :-)

hello John and Joe .... I'd have to agree, based upon the rulers
wanting to make their devine right as having come from God, they
had the clergy, they installed in their "jobs" re-write Bibles
to show their devine rule.

How many books did the Buddha write?
How many books did Confucius write?
How many books did Jesus write?
How many books did Muhammad write?

The point is, it often is not the one who is revered who
wrote the books, but rather those who seek to benefit from
those who believe. Can an individual who is non-Christian
be elected president of the USA? Can an individual who is
non-Muslim be elected president of a Muslim country? Can
an individual who is a non-Jew be elected prime minister
of Israel? I think not.

Lee has nailed it again!

A power-mad ayatollah would use Islam as a means to control his people.
A power-mad preacher would use Christianity as a means to control his people. A power-mad rabbi would use Judaism as a means to control his people. The ayatollah/preacher/rabbi might act as a power behind the throne, with an elected leader being under his control. And that would
be the basis for a conspiracy, would it not?

carry on .... you guys have provided food for thought to those of
the silent readers society.

Food for thought? You want food for thought? Okay. You got it -

Suppose the next election for president of the USA is between
an openly gay candidate and an openly atheist candidate. Which
candidate would be most likely to win?

--Lee

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Hello Jeff,

Suppose the next election for president of the USA is
between an openly gay
candidate and an openly atheist candidate. Which candidate would be mos >LL>likely to win?

The one in the middle...The agnostic who is confused about his sexual JS>identity. :)

ROTFL!

"I am soooooo confused!" - Rodney Dangerfield

OTOH, if Dangerfield were still alive, and running for prez,
he likely could win. And then we would all be confused. :)

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On 04/14/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Lee Lofaso: Re: Decapitation in Juda.

would be mos >LL>likely to win? JS>The one in the middle...The agnostic who is confused about his sexual JS>identity. :)

ROTFL!

Hi Lee. I honestly don't know where I got that answer from. I read the question, and that is just the answer that suddenly popped into my head. I am glad that you and others here enjoyed it. Even my daughter laughed when I shared it with her, and she rarely ever laughs at my jokes. Maybe there is still hope for me. :)

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Hello Joe,

How many books did the Buddha write?
How many books did Confucius write?
How many books did Jesus write?
How many books did Muhammad write?

The point is, it often is not the one who is revered who
wrote the books, but rather those who seek to benefit from
those who believe. Can an individual who is non-Christian
be elected president of the USA? Can an individual who is
non-Muslim be elected president of a Muslim country? Can
an individual who is a non-Jew be elected prime minister
of Israel? I think not.

Lee has nailed it again!

I've got a hammer,
I hammer in the morning,
I hammer in the evening,
All over this world...

--Lee


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Hello Jeff,

would be most likely to win?

The one in the middle...The agnostic
who is confused about his sexual identity. :)

ROTFL!

Hi Lee. I honestly don't know where I got that answer from. I read the JS>question, and that is just the answer that suddenly popped into my head.

And had you thought about it before posting it you likely wouldn't
have posted it. Overlooking the obvious is something that everybody
does. Your answer was the obvious, yet so obvious that it made it
funny.

I am glad that you and others here enjoyed it. Even my daughter
laughed when I shared it with her, and she rarely ever laughs at my JS>jokes. Maybe there is still hope for me. :)

Thinking too much can dampen a healthy sense of humor. "I do not
think, therefore I am" is what Descartes should have said. But no.
Descartes had to think. I mean, think about it. What if Descartes
had said, "I think not, therefore I am not." Boy, would he have
been in trouble...

--Lee


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On 04/15/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Lee Lofaso: Re: Decapitation in Juda.

Thinking too much can dampen a healthy sense of humor. "I do not think, therefore I am" is what Descartes should have said. But no. Descartes had to think. I mean, think about it. What if Descartes had said, "I think not, therefore I am not." Boy, would he have been in trouble...

Ah, but that would have been in total contradiction to reality. After all, if he would have said "I think not, therefore I am not", the very fact that he could contemplate such a thing would indicate that he was in fact thinking. :)

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Lee has nailed it again!

I've got a hammer,
I hammer in the morning,
I hammer in the evening,
All over this world...

How many times have you hit your thumb?

Ahem.
I've got a screwdriver
I....

Oh, never mind.
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Thinking too much can dampen a healthy sense of humor.

Ah Hah! So THATS what I think my problem is!

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Replying to a message of Lee Lofaso to Jeff Snyder:

Suppose the next election for president of the USA is
between an openly gay
candidate and an openly atheist candidate. Which candidate would

be mos LL>likely to win?

The one in the middle...The agnostic who is confused about his sexual
identity. :)

ROTFL!

"I am soooooo confused!" - Rodney Dangerfield

OTOH, if Dangerfield were still alive, and running for prez,
he likely could win.

And he still wouldn't get any respect <g>.

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