It's a bit like a "Punch and Judy" show - clearly visible in the window
is Islam, with its push for a global Caliphate under Sharia Law - harsh, oppressive, "medieval". Less visible, with perhaps only its shadow visible, is the Noahide system, with its "Noahide Laws", not Jewish, not Christian, but a proxy of Judaism, where the Sanhedrin has oversight and control of the "Noahide Courts" to be established in the gentile nations, and where the penalty is death by beheading for most breaches of the "Noahide Laws". Sharia Law is, according to some Muslim and Jewish sources, compatible
with Noahide Law, but if I were a Muslim, I'd be keeping a watch for my local Noahide "enforcers", if I was celebrating some proscribed religious festival, such as Ramadan.

A key difference:

Islam states plainly that EVERYBODY in the world MUST become Musliem, or DIE!

Judaism states plainly that nobody MUST become Jewish to inherit a place in
the World to Come.

Christianity states plainly that everyone must become Christian, or suffer punishment in the coming life. . .

Because I care,
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A key difference:

Islam states plainly that EVERYBODY in the world MUST become Musliem, or
DIE!

Correct.

Judaism states plainly that nobody MUST become Jewish to inherit a place
in the World to Come.

Correct.

Christianity states plainly that everyone must become Christian, or
suffer punishment in the coming life. . .

Incorrect! Please cite your source.


Regards,

Roger

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Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 11 Oct 2006

It's a bit like a "Punch and Judy" show - clearly visible in the window
is Islam, with its push for a global Caliphate under Sharia Law -
harsh, oppressive, "medieval". Less visible, with perhaps only its
shadow visible, is the Noahide system, with its "Noahide Laws", not Jewish, not Christian, but a proxy of Judaism, where the Sanhedrin
has oversight and control of the "Noahide Courts" to be established
in the gentile nations, and where the penalty is death by beheading
for most breaches of the "Noahide Laws".
Sharia Law is, according to some Muslim and Jewish sources, compatible
with Noahide Law, but if I were a Muslim, I'd be keeping a watch for my local Noahide "enforcers", if I was celebrating some proscribed religious festival, such as Ramadan.

A key difference:

Islam states plainly that EVERYBODY in the world MUST become
Musliem, or DIE!

Where does Islam state that plainly, george?

No handwaving or dissembling necessary, just a straightforward cite.

Hint: see dhimmi / dhimmitude / jizya / "tribute" / Surah 9:29 etc.


DHIMMI

A person belonging to the category of "protected people" (ahl ad-
Dhimmah) in the Islamic state. Only those from the "people of the
Book" (Jews and Christians) can become Dhimmis and then have certain
rights, like privately worshipping according to their religion, as
long as they pay the "protection money" (jizya) but are not considered
citizens of the country. Their status has to be one of humiliation
(Surah 9:29).

One needs to understand this term "protected people" properly.
Protected from whom? From the Muslims! It is the same dynamic as when
the mafia comes to a shop owner and tells him, from now on we are
protecting you, and you are going to pay us such amount of money for
this protection. You will not have to bear a weapon yourself. We take
that responsibility.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/D/dhimmi.html

Cheers, Steve..

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On (11 Oct 06) Roger Nelson wrote to George Pope...

Christianity states plainly that everyone must become Christian, or suffer punishment in the coming life. . .

Incorrect! Please cite your source.

Christianity is my source.

True the Bible doesn't say this, but Christianity long ago chose its own traditionally held beliefs over the Bible.

Their use of the Bible to justify this belief (repent or go to hell) may
not be completely unwarranted, as Jesus did say that if you don't follow
him, you will suffer eternal death (elsewhere defined as the lake of
fire, where the suffering never ends)

Because I care,
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Christianity is my source.

Are you referring to religious beliefs or the way some people interpret the Bible or people with a didactic propensity?

True the Bible doesn't say this, but Christianity long ago chose its own traditionally held beliefs over the Bible.

That's correct -- it doesn't.

Their use of the Bible to justify this belief (repent or go to hell) may
not be completely unwarranted, as Jesus did say that if you don't follow
him, you will suffer eternal death (elsewhere defined as the lake of
fire, where the suffering never ends)

I don't know what religion you mean there, but it certainly isn't mine.


Regards,

Roger

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Islam states plainly that EVERYBODY in the world MUST become
Musliem, or DIE!

Where does Islam state that plainly, george?

No handwaving or dissembling necessary, just a straightforward cite.

Hint: see dhimmi / dhimmitude / jizya / "tribute" / Surah 9:29 etc.

Did I say the Koran said that?

Or did I say Islam said it?

(Mohammed did say so, in his farewell speech to his followers, that the whole world must submit(islam) to them. . .

Because I care,
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Their use of the Bible to justify this belief (repent or go to hell) may not be completely unwarranted, as Jesus did say that if you don't follow him, you will suffer eternal death (elsewhere defined as the lake of fire, where the suffering never ends)

I don't know what religion you mean there, but it certainly isn't mine.

Christianity is defined as "followers of Christ's example/teachings" -- Jesus himself said that those who don't follow him will suffer eternal death.

Because I care,
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Christianity is defined as "followers of Christ's example/teachings" --
Jesus himself said that those who don't follow him will suffer eternal
death.

Where does it say that in the bible?


Regards,

Roger

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On (19 Oct 06) Roger Nelson wrote to George Pope...

Christianity is defined as "followers of Christ's example/teachings"

--

Jesus himself said that those who don't follow him will suffer

eternal

death.

Where does it say that in the bible?

Okay, obviously you've never read the New Testament.

He said it more than once. . .

Because I care,
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On (19 Oct 06) Roger Nelson wrote to George Pope...

Christianity is defined as "followers of Christ's example/teachings"

--

Jesus himself said that those who don't follow him will suffer

eternal

death.

Where does it say that in the bible?

I don't have a good concordance program, nor have I memorized every
verse ank its reference, but I did find just a couple references in
Matthew (KJV)

First, chapter 3:
CHAPTER 3
1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Then chapter 13:
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And Mark chapter 9:
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

"into the fire than never shall be quenched" is how Hell is described by
Jesus himself.
"where their worm dieth not" referring to how their essence of life will continue. . .

Because I care,
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Where does it say that in the bible?

Okay, obviously you've never read the New Testament.

You're assuming that.

He said it more than once. . .

That doesn't answer my question.


Regards,

Roger

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On (20 Oct 06) Roger Nelson wrote to George Pope...

Where does it say that in the bible?

Okay, obviously you've never read the New Testament.

You're assuming that.

If you have, why aren't you already aware that Jesus taught about
eternal hellfire as punishment?

He said it more than once. . .

That doesn't answer my question.

Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
Or if you don't know, why are you trying to prevaricate that you've read
the NT?

Because I care,
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You're assuming that.

If you have, why aren't you already aware that Jesus taught about
eternal hellfire as punishment?

I asked you to give me the book, chapter and verse where He said that. So far,
you haven't. I do not wish to argue anymore about this, so if you do, feel free to carry on.

Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?

You made a statement and I asked you a question. Nothing more.

Or if you don't know, why are you trying to prevaricate that you've read
the NT?

That's your opinion. As for me, this is my last message to you. I do not enjoy this type of repartee.


Regards,

Roger

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"Why can't we all just get along?"
---- Rodney King

Roger Nelson wrote:

You're assuming that.═ ☻> If you have, why aren't you already aware

that Jesus taught about☻> eternal hellfire as punishment?┼ ☻I asked you to
give me the book, chapter and verse where He said that. So far,

Christianity is defined as "followers of Christ's example/teachings" -- Jesus himself said that those who don't follow him will suffer eternal death.

Where does it say that in the bible?

It's in there, trust me, in more than one place, actually.

You can find it as easily as I, probably.

My not having memorized the citation doesn't make it any less so. . .

Because I care,
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