• "Your Papers Please"

    From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to All on Thu Dec 1 23:35:12 2005
    "YOUR PAPERS PLEASE":
    ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING SOVIET-STYLE POLICE STATES

    By: Frederick Meekins

    Miami Police have announced plans to conduct what they are calling
    "high profile ID sweeps" where they intend to check the identification
    of everyone entering a public building.

    Officials claim in doing so, no one's rights are being violated; but
    what if one does not want to show police their driver's license or
    happened to have forgotten to bring it with them that day?

    If one refuses to participate by suddenly getting out of line and not
    entering the building, will that now be deemed enough probable cause
    to get maced in the face and a billy-club across the back of the
    knees?

    And what if authorities deny citizens access to food in supermarkets,
    to buy and sell as alluded to in Revelation 13, unless they comply
    with draconian identification measures?

    Unlike a roadside stop, one does not need government authorization to perambulate down the sidewalk. It's called a DRIVER'S LICENSE, not an authorization to leave your house permit.

    Furthermore, does this really do anything to stop terrorism? For if
    someone is a suicide bomber, it might prevent them from taking out
    their intended target in its entirety, but you are still going to make headlines on the evening news if you take out the fuzz blocking the
    door instead.

    In the case of a patriotic woman likened to a new Rosa Parks detained
    for refusing to show her ID to Federal Protective Service operatives
    while riding on a bus on her way to work through the Lakewood Federal
    Center in Colorado, authorities contend that they do not compare these documents against any watch-list or compile them into a database. Then
    why even bother since you are obviously not conducting surveillance

    Spokesman at the Lakewood Center argue the measure is necessary in
    light of the Oklahoma City Bombing. If we are going to hold to the
    narrative that McVeigh and Nickels acted alone, I hate to break it
    to the Keystone Cops, but these scumbags weren't on a bus.

    And what of illegals caught up in the sweep of this dragnet? Are they
    going to be deported as they should be, or is this simply yet another
    tactic to curtail the movements and liberties of actual Americans?

    Though he does not carry much weight among ruling elites since he is
    a dead White male sympathetic to Christianity, Benjamin Franklin said,
    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Those already conditioned to be good little collectivists will whine,
    "What do you have to hide that you can't show your ID." If that is
    the case, then what line of reasoning are you going to invoke when
    government security agencies insist that cameras and recording devices
    must be placed in every home; after all, if you haven't done anything
    wrong, what do you have to hide?

    The Deputy Chief of Police told the Associated Press that the purpose
    of this operation was for its "shock and awe." Thus, in other words,
    it is simply yet another method of transforming the American people
    into a pack of lemmings that have been brainwashed to do exactly
    whatever their masters in the New World Order command of them.

    In the classic sci-fi/espionage drama The Prisoner, protagonist
    declares in light of overwhelming bureaucracy, oI will not be pushed,
    filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my
    own.oe The issue of compulsory identification is not so much about who
    you are but about to whom your life ultimately belongs.

    "Published originally at EtherZone.com : republication allowed with
    this notice and hyperlink intact."

    -=<->=-

    Source: "Ether Zone" - http://etherzone.com/2005/meek120105.shtml

    Cheers, Steve..

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  • From George Pope@1:112/91 to Steve Asher on Sun Dec 4 17:01:31 2005
    Officials claim in doing so, no one's rights are being violated; but
    what if one does not want to show police their driver's license or
    happened to have forgotten to bring it with them that day?

    I'd bring my lawyer with me, and have a buddy with a video camera some distance away, and point out that I have a legal RIGHT to be in a public building, and I likewise have a legal RIGHT to not carry my wallet/ID when I'm not driving!

    But all such would do, if there were more than just me doing it would have Bush & cronies pass a law saying you need to do such. . .
    (like Homeland Security, in general)

    Isn't it amazing how the airports have increased security in the wake of 9/11? (well, they bought new uniforms/logos for their crack security team of losers!)

    If one refuses to participate by suddenly getting out of line and not entering the building, will that now be deemed enough probable cause
    to get maced in the face and a billy-club across the back of the
    knees?

    Probably.

    And what if authorities deny citizens access to food in supermarkets,
    to buy and sell as alluded to in Revelation 13, unless they comply
    with draconian identification measures?

    Maybe they'll simplify the identification process by implanting a RFID chip in your wrist, eh?

    (so you'll have access even though you might forget/lose your wallet/ID)

    In the case of a patriotic woman likened to a new Rosa Parks detained
    for refusing to show her ID to Federal Protective Service operatives
    while riding on a bus on her way to work through the Lakewood Federal Center in Colorado, authorities contend that they do not compare these documents against any watch-list or compile them into a database. Then
    why even bother since you are obviously not conducting surveillance

    It's called "harrassing the citizens so as to generate a systemic atmosphere
    of fear/respect for the new leaders, the police"

    Though he does not carry much weight among ruling elites since he is
    a dead White male sympathetic to Christianity, Benjamin Franklin said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    One of my favourite quotes of the USA's Founding Fathers!

    Those already conditioned to be good little collectivists will whine,
    "What do you have to hide that you can't show your ID." If that is
    the case, then what line of reasoning are you going to invoke when government security agencies insist that cameras and recording devices
    must be placed in every home; after all, if you haven't done anything wrong, what do you have to hide?

    If you have a computer, internet, and Windows, you already have the equivalent of Big Brother Is Watching You in your home!

    Because I care,
    |<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to George Pope on Wed Dec 7 22:14:51 2005
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 04 Dec 2005

    Officials claim in doing so, no one's rights are being violated; but
    what if one does not want to show police their driver's license or
    happened to have forgotten to bring it with them that day?

    I'd bring my lawyer with me, and have a buddy with a video camera
    some distance away, and point out that I have a legal RIGHT to be
    in a public building, and I likewise have a legal RIGHT to not
    carry my wallet/ID when I'm not driving!

    And be very careful when reaching for your wallet / ID, as police
    have been known to shoot first & examine the wallet later.

    Isn't it amazing how the airports have increased security in the
    wake of 9/11? (well, they bought new uniforms/logos for their crack security team of losers!)

    If one refuses to participate by suddenly getting out of line and not entering the building, will that now be deemed enough probable cause
    to get maced in the face and a billy-club across the back of the
    knees?

    Probably.

    Or, in thr London Tube, 8 bullets in the head to make sure that MP3
    player you have in your ears doesn't explode.

    And what if authorities deny citizens access to food in supermarkets,
    to buy and sell as alluded to in Revelation 13, unless they comply
    with draconian identification measures?

    Maybe they'll simplify the identification process by implanting a
    RFID chip in your wrist, eh?

    Well, it is consistent with prophecy, and is under active consideration
    by the biometric / ID industry.

    (so you'll have access even though you might forget/lose your
    wallet/ID)

    Until your access is revoked for some reason.

    In the case of a patriotic woman likened to a new Rosa Parks detained
    for refusing to show her ID to Federal Protective Service operatives
    while riding on a bus on her way to work through the Lakewood Federal Center in Colorado, authorities contend that they do not compare these documents against any watch-list or compile them into a database. Then
    why even bother since you are obviously not conducting surveillance

    It's called "harrassing the citizens so as to generate a systemic atmosphere of fear/respect for the new leaders, the police"

    Though he does not carry much weight among ruling elites since he is
    a dead White male sympathetic to Christianity, Benjamin Franklin said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    One of my favourite quotes of the USA's Founding Fathers!

    I assume that he did say it; I have seen the quote many times.

    Those already conditioned to be good little collectivists will whine,
    "What do you have to hide that you can't show your ID." If that is
    the case, then what line of reasoning are you going to invoke when government security agencies insist that cameras and recording devices
    must be placed in every home; after all, if you haven't done anything wrong, what do you have to hide?

    If you have a computer, internet, and Windows, you already have the equivalent of Big Brother Is Watching You in your home!

    Look forward to the 2006 Oz Census, which will "permit" people to fill
    it out online ... the 2011 Census will probably be "mandatory" to do
    online, & the Census Bureau will be in a position to do snapshot surveys
    & censuses regularly, to compel people to give up personal information
    for the databases, which can be used to "better protect our privacy"
    and all the rest of the weasel words.

    Cheers, Steve..

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  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Steve Asher on Wed Dec 7 09:05:07 2005
    On (07 Dec 05) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...
    And be very careful when reaching for your wallet / ID, as police
    have been known to shoot first & examine the wallet later.

    As I already said to them, I don't HAVE my wallet, so my sudden reach is probably well to be interpreted as dangerous! *G*

    (so you'll have access even though you might forget/lose your wallet/ID)

    Until your access is revoked for some reason.

    Have you read that scifi story about the guy who was sentenced to have
    his ability to use the universal computer access system in society
    revoked, so he was effectively a non-entity, and was much shunned by
    everyone, as being lower than the lowest illiterate. . .

    He had to resort to ruses to get children to key in his login/approval sequences. . .

    Because I care,
    <+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to George Pope on Sat Dec 10 01:07:56 2005
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 07 Dec 2005

    And be very careful when reaching for your wallet / ID, as police
    have been known to shoot first & examine the wallet later.

    As I already said to them, I don't HAVE my wallet, so my sudden
    reach is probably well to be interpreted as dangerous! *G*

    Unless they think you are bipolar & have forgotten to take your meds.
    I guess the sky marshalls in Florida had little choice but to shoot
    to kill, given that he claimed to have a bomb & was reaching into his
    bag, or so it is reported.

    (so you'll have access even though you might forget/lose your wallet/ID)

    Until your access is revoked for some reason.

    Have you read that scifi story about the guy who was sentenced to
    have his ability to use the universal computer access system in
    society revoked, so he was effectively a non-entity, and was much
    shunned by everyone, as being lower than the lowest illiterate. . .

    He had to resort to ruses to get children to key in his
    login/approval sequences. . .

    Not that I can recall; it sounds interesting, and plausible.

    Cheers, Steve..

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  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Steve Asher on Fri Dec 9 12:22:36 2005
    On (10 Dec 05) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...
    As I already said to them, I don't HAVE my wallet, so my sudden
    reach is probably well to be interpreted as dangerous! *G*

    Unless they think you are bipolar & have forgotten to take your meds.
    I guess the sky marshalls in Florida had little choice but to shoot
    to kill, given that he claimed to have a bomb & was reaching into his
    bag, or so it is reported.

    "or so it is reported". . .

    That's so much a better report to give to one's superiors & the
    press/etc. than "whoops, I thought that pear he was eating for lunch was
    a grenade, so I fired 40 rounds into his head, then reloaded and emptied another banana clip into his torso!"

    Because I care,
    <+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to George Pope on Sat Dec 10 12:06:04 2005
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 09 Dec 2005

    As I already said to them, I don't HAVE my wallet, so my sudden
    reach is probably well to be interpreted as dangerous! *G*

    Unless they think you are bipolar & have forgotten to take your meds.
    I guess the sky marshalls in Florida had little choice but to shoot
    to kill, given that he claimed to have a bomb & was reaching into his
    bag, or so it is reported.

    "or so it is reported". . .

    That's so much a better report to give to one's superiors & the
    press/etc. than "whoops, I thought that pear he was eating for
    lunch was a grenade, so I fired 40 rounds into his head, then
    reloaded and emptied another banana clip into his torso!"

    I have since read a number of reports of the Florida shooting that
    throw doubt on claims that the deceased mentioned having a bomb;
    shades of the London Tube shooting.

    Cheers, Steve..

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  • From George Pope@1:112/91 to Steve Asher on Sun Dec 11 23:58:31 2005
    I have since read a number of reports of the Florida shooting that
    throw doubt on claims that the deceased mentioned having a bomb;
    shades of the London Tube shooting.

    Doesn't matter -- he gave his life for the police's freedom to wreak havoc & inspire fear in the common citizen!

    Because I care,
    |<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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