Good afternoon!

My first introduction to FidoNet and BBSes in general came to me from a 300 baud Direct Connect Modem Pak in 1991, on my Color Computer 2, which opened a whole new world of computing to this 10 year old computer enthusiast. I was able to track one down that was new in box, and I made a video about it and connected to a BBS with it. I hope you enjoy it! It can be found at youtube.com/bollingholt

-Bo

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Hello Bo Holt!

** On Tuesday 13.02.24 - 13:20, Bo Holt wrote to All:

My first introduction to FidoNet and BBSes in general came
to me from a 300 baud Direct Connect Modem Pak in 1991, on
my Color Computer 2 [...]

The days of fiddling with retro-tech is over for me. I
gathered up all the old modems (about 6-8 of them including a
USR Robotics 56K Business Class lifetime warranty) I had
acummulated over the years, and gave them to someone who
"claims" might be able to put some of them to use for ham radio
projects or something.

I had about as many CRT monitors of various sizes too. Cut off
the cords and delivered the monitors to recycling.

The next biggest space-waster are about 8 old PC cases in
various stages of assembly/disassembly. They really gotta go
too.

Yeah.. the old stuff triggers interesting memories. But, time
is best spent in discovering new things to do, imho.

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On 18 Feb 24 10:10:00, August Abolins said the following to Bo Holt:

The days of fiddling with retro-tech is over for me. I

Same here, 100%. In fact my days of fiddling with tech itself are numbered.

I just could not longer justify having boxes and boxes of tech parts for systems and projects that really would have no benefit in the end. As time went on, just lost interest.

The systems and software config's running here are perfected as far as I could make them. There is nothing to fiddle with, no reason, no desire. The BBS on XP will never ever be changed. The home network, servers, Nas storage, Wifi are all sufficient for my needs.

I kept my Tandy 1000 computers, thats about all. There is nothing to fiddle with those either, I've upgraded those as much as I cared to do so.

Nick

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I bet someone would have taken those CRTs. I'm holding on a few: old Mac monitors, a rare color display for a IIc, some VGA, TVs, and some pricey PVMs.
There a few mini-tower cases from my youth I'd love to get one day with 386 or 486 class systems. ;)

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Quoting message from Nick Andre to August Abolins
on 18 Feb 24 11:25:28 ...

On 18 Feb 24 10:10:00, August Abolins said the following to Bo Holt:

The days of fiddling with retro-tech is over for me. I

Same here, 100%. In fact my days of fiddling with tech itself are numbered

I just could not longer justify having boxes and boxes of tech parts for systems and projects that really would have no benefit in the end. As time went on, just lost interest.

The systems and software config's running here are perfected as far as I c make them. There is nothing to fiddle with, no reason, no desire. The BBS XP will never ever be changed. The home network, servers, Nas storage, Wif are all sufficient for my needs.

I kept my Tandy 1000 computers, thats about all. There is nothing to fiddl with those either, I've upgraded those as much as I cared to do so.

I still want a Tandy 1000 RLX and a 1000 HX. I'm responding to this on my TL/2 as we speak!

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August Abolins wrote to Bo Holt <=-

Yeah.. the old stuff triggers interesting memories. But, time
is best spent in discovering new things to do, imho.

As much as I love the old hardware, virtualizing some environments in
Proxmox and running DOSBOX-X meets most of my needs without requiring
any extra clutter.




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Hello Bo Holt!

** On Sunday 18.02.24 - 18:50, Bo Holt wrote to August Abolins:

I bet someone would have taken those CRTs. I'm holding on
a few: old Mac monitors, a rare color display for a IIc,
some VGA, TVs, and some pricey PVMs. There a few mini-
tower cases from my youth I'd love to get one day with 386
or 486 class systems. ;)

It seemed too bothersome to list them and manage visitations
for people to see them. Power-hungry & heat-generating CRTs
were/are simply outclassed by LCD screens.

I do still have one 17" and 21" CRT though. The idea was to
offer them to someone who needs one for occassional use.

I still have my first Sony Trinitron TV, 20", from the late
80s. I paid a small fortune for that thing. But it too must go.

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I built a Proxmox server at work a few years ago, but then management
changed before I even got to do anything with it except the initial installation... so I don't know anything about it as of now LOL. I run a couple of VMs in VirtualBox, used to use VMWare, and I play with DOSBox from time to time.

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Oh yes. LCDs definitely added convenience and easy portability to displays!

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Bo Holt wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

I built a Proxmox server at work a few years ago, but then management changed before I even got to do anything with it except the initial installation... so I don't know anything about it as of now LOL. I
run a couple of VMs in VirtualBox, used to use VMWare, and I play with DOSBox from time to time.

I wonder how many VMWare shops are playing with Proxmox. Once Veeam
comes out with support for Proxmox, we may see more moving that
direction.




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Hi Kurt,

On 2024-02-29 06:24:00, you wrote to Bo Holt:

I built a Proxmox server at work a few years ago, but then management
changed before I even got to do anything with it except the initial
installation... so I don't know anything about it as of now LOL. I
run a couple of VMs in VirtualBox, used to use VMWare, and I play with
DOSBox from time to time.

I wonder how many VMWare shops are playing with Proxmox. Once Veeam
comes out with support for Proxmox, we may see more moving that
direction.

I'm not all that familiar with Veeam, but isn't it just backup software for VMWare? Proxmox already has that build in...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: New Modem/BBS Video
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Kurt Weiske on Thu Feb 29 2024 06:58 pm

I wonder how many VMWare shops are playing with Proxmox. Once Veeam comes
out with support for Proxmox, we may see more moving that direction.

I'm not all that familiar with Veeam, but isn't it just backup software for VMWare? Proxmox already has that build in...

Proxmox has basic backup capabilities and Proxmox Backup Server for more capable backups, but Veeam has most of the market share of enterprise backup software. Getting Veeam agents working on Proxmox would be a huge win for getting Proxmox into enterprise data centers.
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Hello Wilfred!

29 Feb 24 18:58, you wrote to Kurt Weiske:

I wonder how many VMWare shops are playing with Proxmox. Once
Veeam comes out with support for Proxmox, we may see more moving
that direction.

I'm not all that familiar with Veeam, but isn't it just backup
software for VMWare? Proxmox already has that build in...

Veeam has a couple of options.

Hypervisor level based backup of vm's (ESXi/Hyper-V etc).
Veeam Agent, that run's on the VM or even real hardware (I use it on both).

Yes, Proxmox also has builtin support for backing up VM's. It does have some limitations though.


Stephen


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Hello Kurt!

29 Feb 24 13:42, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Proxmox has basic backup capabilities and Proxmox Backup Server for
more capable backups, but Veeam has most of the market share of
enterprise backup software. Getting Veeam agents working on Proxmox
would be a huge win for getting Proxmox into enterprise data centers.

I have the Veeam agent working inside of proxmox VM's. They work just the same as runing the agent on real hardware (Doing that
as well).


Stephen


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I wonder how many VMWare shops are playing with Proxmox. Once Veeam
comes out with support for Proxmox, we may see more moving that
direction.

Not sure, but I think I need to look into Proxmox some more and familiarize myself with it. I'm sure it's a marketable skill!

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Hi Stephen,

On 2024-03-01 11:17:26, you wrote to me:

Yes, Proxmox also has builtin support for backing up VM's. It does
have some limitations though.

Like what?


Bye, Wilfred.

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Bo Holt wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Not sure, but I think I need to look into Proxmox some more and familiarize myself with it. I'm sure it's a marketable skill!

My company uses Nutanix, a hyperconverged HA hypervisor - they sell
blade servers with redundant hardware and have shared storage,
networking, all the usuals. It's quite nice.

It's built on qemu and kvm, same as Proxmox.

There is a community edition of Nutanix, but I couldn't get it working
on my homelab hardware. It wants separate boot, system and VM drives,
and I had a sff system with one drive. I even tried virtualizing it, but
I think I need a more modern CPU to do passthrough virtualization.



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Bo Holt wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Not sure, but I think I need to look into Proxmox some more and familiarize myself with it. I'm sure it's a marketable skill!

It definitely makes a nice homelab -- there's community updates and it
runs on virtually anything that runs Debian. I had to phase out to
running servers because VMWare decided to drop hardware support.



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Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Stephen Walsh <=-

Yes, Proxmox also has builtin support for backing up VM's. It does
have some limitations though.

Like what?

I wish I had a bigger environment to run Proxmox in. I'd like to play
with ZFS/CEPH and the high-availability bits. It looks pretty amazing,
I've seen videos of people unplugging servers and services taking a
short hiccup, then continuing on another server in the cluster.



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Hi Kurt,

On 2024-03-01 07:28:00, you wrote to me:

Yes, Proxmox also has builtin support for backing up VM's. It does
have some limitations though.

Like what?

I wish I had a bigger environment to run Proxmox in. I'd like to play
with ZFS/CEPH and the high-availability bits. It looks pretty amazing, I've seen videos of people unplugging servers and services taking a
short hiccup, then continuing on another server in the cluster.

At work I run a little proxmox cluster (not HA), of 2 machines with both 4 VM's running on it. The VM's are all replicated to the other host machines. So if there would be a hardware problem on one machine, they can be started on the other machine. All VM's are backuped to a storage server by proxmox it self. If I wanted to do backup on a file level, it would be easy to do with a little scripting and rsync. But there is no need.

We also have a VMWare esx server, that's backuped by Veeam. It's outsourced, but I do some basic maintenance on both the host and vm's.

So I have a little bit of experience with both. And I don't see the limitations of proxmox compared to the VMWare + Veeam combination? I do know I like proxmox much more, and it's much cheaper if you don't need the support contract. Which you don't because it is rock solid! ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred!

01 Mar 24 10:38, you wrote to me:

Yes, Proxmox also has builtin support for backing up VM's. It
does have some limitations though.

Like what?

It will only read from one config file. So if you wnated to have different retention days or even a different location for the backup (Say off
site), then you need to have two config files in a directory and then copy them to the /etc dir before starting the backup process.

I don't use the gui for this, so it's all in a script that gets run from cron on the host.



Stephen


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August,
I really desired owning a 17" CRT in 1993 while looking through Computer Shopper Magazines ads.
I saw some in stores for$700+ USD, that was way more than I wanted to spend on Color Monitor.

I asked over Ham Radio and was suggested to get a MAG Innovision 15" Multisync CTR.

Back in 1984 a TV Set was all that was needed for the Commodore 64, but after 9 years of using it, and using a XT Clone w/ Green Screen at work for 3 years I wanted a 486 built.
Someone at Church worked with a person who built PC's and had them call me about building one.
I specified the MAG Monitor which back then sold for $535USD, what Video Card and how much Memory (16MB) in a Tower Case.

The price quoted was well within prices in the magazine so I had it built.

The MAG Monitor got put in the box when I saw a 19" LED for $200USD after getting a XP PC in IIRC 2006.

That LCD Monitor sure beats the price back in 1993 for a 17"'er that sold for $700+USD.
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Hello Ed Vance!

** On Sunday 10.03.24 - 16:10, Ed Vance wrote to August Abolins:

I really desired owning a 17" CRT in 1993 while looking
through Computer Shopper Magazines ads. I saw some in
stores for$700+ USD, that was way more than I wanted to
spend on Color Monitor.

My first computer monitors were colour. I went for two SVGA
15" Viewsonic models. That was in the early 90's. They were
around $500-700 CDN back then.

That LCD Monitor sure beats the price back in 1993 for a
17"'er that sold for $700+USD.

Indeed it does. ;)


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More fess'in up.

Aka Wi-Fi

I was wrong (again)

The Vista Home notebook has Wi-Fi WEP

Since WEP is easily broken I never used it.

When I turn that box on, as the HDD grinds away loading the O/S , I watch for the Wi-Fi led to start blinking so I press that button to shut it down.
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Hello Ed Vance!

** On Monday 11.03.24 - 22:08, Ed Vance wrote to August Abolins:

The Vista Home notebook has Wi-Fi WEP
Since WEP is easily broken I never used it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the more modern phone doesn't
support WEP anyway.

When I turn that box on, as the HDD grinds away loading
the O/S , I watch for the Wi-Fi led to start blinking so I
press that button to shut it

Try to see if a connection *can* be made. A few seconds of
connection time isn't to crack open your pc to anyone over the
airwaves. Wifi from a laptop or phone isn't going to a have a
very large range.

Or.. perhaps better yet, try a Bluetooth linkup (I think that's
referred to as "tethering" on the phones). The range for that
is much shorter and probably much more secure than a WEP wifi.

What kind of community do you live in? Are there a lot of other
people operating wifi-based systems?

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