• Fidonet *is* the odder side! (Pun intended)

    From August Abolins@2:221/6 to Charles Pierson on Wed Dec 16 01:09:28 2020
    On 12/15/2020 1:19 PM, between "Charles Pierson - August Abolins":

    It would appear to be so, but Wv intended to "reply" to a previous message (but did not actually do a R)eply on Telegram,..

    Yeah, reply on the Telegram is easy to miss. And can look odd on the Fido side. :-\

    (And it would seem that I failed to do a proper R)eply in my earlier message message too! :( Anyway, THIS is the reply how I intended to do it.)


    Fidonet *is* the odder side! (Pun intended) ;)

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to August Abolins on Tue Dec 15 23:16:11 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020, August Abolins said the following...

    On 12/15/2020 1:19 PM, between "Charles Pierson - August Abolins":

    It would appear to be so, but Wv intended to "reply" to a previous message (but did not actually do a R)eply on Telegram,..

    Yeah, reply on the Telegram is easy to miss. And can look odd on the Fid side. :-\

    (And it would seem that I failed to do a proper R)eply in my earlier message message too! :( Anyway, THIS is the reply how I intended to do it.)


    Fidonet *is* the odder side! (Pun intended) ;)


    I figured as much.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Dec 15 22:51:00 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** On Tuesday 15.12.20 - 21:33, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson:

    ?

    Testing emoji's?

    Not testing, just using them, and forgetting they are not getting
    carried through the "gate"...

    Maybe we can find another term for this grand experiment of
    Fido<->Telegram

    Gate seems to hold negative connotations with some sysops. The
    "tg BBS" is merely massaging the messages so that Telegram can
    understand them.





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    ../|ug

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 16 04:06:23 2020
    On 15 Dec 2020, August Abolins said the following...

    Hello Wilfred!

    ** On Tuesday 15.12.20 - 21:33, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson:

    ?

    Testing emoji's?

    Not testing, just using them, and forgetting they are not getting carried through the "gate"...

    Maybe we can find another term for this grand experiment of Fido<->Telegram

    Gate seems to hold negative connotations with some sysops. The
    "tg BBS" is merely massaging the messages so that Telegram can understand them.


    Actually, the Telegram Groups are the BBS. the Bot is a mailer/tosser that converts from Telegram-speak to Fido-speak.

    Or at least that's how Stas has always explained it.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Charles Pierson on Tue Dec 15 23:45:00 2020
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Wednesday 16.12.20 - 04:06, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    Maybe we can find another term for this grand experiment
    of Fido<->Telegram

    Actually, the Telegram Groups are the BBS. the Bot is a
    mailer/tosser that converts from Telegram-speak to Fido-
    speak.

    I see it that way too. The Telegram groups are merely a
    mirror of the same echos on Stas' BBS. .: the Telegram
    groups are as if participating on Stas' BBS albiet with a
    different reader/app unlike anything else currently available
    for fidonet users.


    Or at least that's how Stas has always explained it.

    Glad you mentioned it again.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 16 11:31:59 2020
    Hi August,

    On 2020-12-15 22:51:00, you wrote to me:

    Not testing, just using them, and forgetting they are not getting
    carried through the "gate"...

    Maybe we can find another term for this grand experiment of Fido<->Telegram

    Gate seems to hold negative connotations with some sysops. The
    "tg BBS" is merely massaging the messages so that Telegram can
    understand them.

    Perhaps... But I find 'gate' much clearer than 'tg BBS', to describe what's happening....

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 16 11:35:28 2020
    Hi August,

    On 2020-12-15 23:45:00, you wrote to Charles Pierson:

    Actually, the Telegram Groups are the BBS. the Bot is a
    mailer/tosser that converts from Telegram-speak to Fido-
    speak.

    I see it that way too. The Telegram groups are merely a
    mirror of the same echos on Stas' BBS. .: the Telegram
    groups are as if participating on Stas' BBS albiet with a
    different reader/app unlike anything else currently available
    for fidonet users.

    The same could be said about newsgroups on a bbs. But they call that "gating" too...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 16 14:47:42 2020
    Hi, Wilfred!

    16 ñѬ 20 11:31, Wilfred van Velzen -> August Abolins:

    Perhaps... But I find 'gate' much clearer than 'tg BBS', to describe what's happening....

    Meanwhile, BBS is the most correct name. The gate is the gateway to netmail. Here it will be really true to call it a "gate".

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 16 12:05:47 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

    Hi August,

    On 2020-12-15 23:45:00, you wrote to Charles Pierson:

    Actually, the Telegram Groups are the BBS. the Bot is a
    mailer/tosser that converts from Telegram-speak to Fido-
    speak.

    I see it that way too. The Telegram groups are merely a
    mirror of the same echos on Stas' BBS. .: the Telegram
    groups are as if participating on Stas' BBS albiet with a
    different reader/app unlike anything else currently available
    for fidonet users.

    The same could be said about newsgroups on a bbs. But they call that "gating" too...

    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and their messages have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating an account on Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram BBS.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Wed Dec 16 13:36:28 2020
    Hi Charles,

    On 2020-12-16 12:05:47, you wrote to me:

    I see it that way too. The Telegram groups are merely a
    mirror of the same echos on Stas' BBS. .: the Telegram
    groups are as if participating on Stas' BBS albiet with a
    different reader/app unlike anything else currently available
    for fidonet users.

    The same could be said about newsgroups on a bbs. But they call that
    "gating" too...

    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and their messages have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating an account on Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram BBS.

    Newsgroup users would have an account at their ISP and/or newsgroup provider.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 16 13:33:50 2020
    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and their messages have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating an acc on Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram BBS.

    Newsgroup users would have an account at their ISP and/or newsgroup provider.


    I don't know if I've ever accessed Fido via newsgroups outside of BBSes using JAMNNTP or similar. But if it's through a regular Newsgroup provider, do
    those messages have a distinct node or are they linked to an existing BBS in some other manner?

    But my point was actually more to Augusts remarks than yours. Telegram
    groups as they are as a whole is more like a BBS than a mirror.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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  • From Richard Miles@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 16 17:15:11 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** On Tuesday 15.12.20 - 21:33, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson:

    ?

    Testing emoji's?

    Not testing, just using them, and forgetting they are not getting carried through the "gate"...

    Maybe we can find another term for this grand experiment of Fido<->Telegram

    Gate seems to hold negative connotations with some sysops. The
    "tg BBS" is merely massaging the messages so that Telegram can understand them.





    --
    ../|ug

    I tend to at least look at it like a new "client" rather than a gate.

    Too late to change folks perception that have already made up their minds about it unfortunately.


    --- tg BBS v0.6.3
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  • From Richard Miles@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Wed Dec 16 17:16:12 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

    Hi August,

    On 2020-12-15 23:45:00, you wrote to Charles Pierson:

    Actually, the Telegram Groups are the BBS. the Bot is a
    mailer/tosser that converts from Telegram-speak to Fido-
    speak.

    I see it that way too. The Telegram groups are merely a
    mirror of the same echos on Stas' BBS. .: the Telegram
    groups are as if participating on Stas' BBS albiet with a different reader/app unlike anything else currently available
    for fidonet users.

    The same could be said about newsgroups on a bbs. But they call that "gating" too...

    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and their messages
    have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating an account on
    Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram BBS.

    Which would make Telegram the "client" that we are accessing Stas' feed from.


    --- tg BBS v0.6.3
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Wed Dec 16 15:18:22 2020
    Hi Charles,

    On 2020-12-16 13:33:50, you wrote to me:

    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and
    their
    messages have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating an
    acc
    on Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram
    BBS.

    Newsgroup users would have an account at their ISP and/or newsgroup
    provider.

    I don't know if I've ever accessed Fido via newsgroups outside of
    BBSes using JAMNNTP or similar.

    Then you would also need to login to your account on the BBS.

    But if it's through a regular Newsgroup provider, do those messages
    have a distinct node or are they linked to an existing BBS in some
    other manner?

    I was thinking about the regular newsgroups, that are sometimes gated to and from fidonet. (The CBM area is one example)

    But my point was actually more to Augusts remarks than yours. Telegram groups as they are as a whole is more like a BBS than a mirror.

    I still think that naming it gating covers it better than calling it a telgram BBS. ;)


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Richard Miles on Wed Dec 16 14:30:56 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020, Richard Miles said the following...
    I see it that way too. The Telegram groups are merely a mirror of the same echos on Stas' BBS. .: the Telegram groups are as if participating on Stas' BBS albiet with a different reader/app unlike anything else currently availabl for fidonet users.

    The same could be said about newsgroups on a bbs. But they call t "gating" too...

    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and their
    messages
    have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating an acc
    on
    Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram BBS.

    Which would make Telegram the "client" that we are accessing Stas' feed from.

    However you term it.

    If/when Stas decides to release his bot to the public, there is the potential for more of these systems to come into being.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 16 14:42:41 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

    Hi Charles,

    On 2020-12-16 13:33:50, you wrote to me:

    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and
    their
    messages have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating
    acc
    on Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram
    BBS.

    Newsgroup users would have an account at their ISP and/or newsgroup
    provider.

    I don't know if I've ever accessed Fido via newsgroups outside of BBSes using JAMNNTP or similar.

    Then you would also need to login to your account on the BBS.


    Yes you would. And your messages reflect the Origin node off the BBS, correct?
    But if it's through a regular Newsgroup provider, do those messages have a distinct node or are they linked to an existing BBS in some other manner?

    I was thinking about the regular newsgroups, that are sometimes gated to and from fidonet. (The CBM area is one example)


    So do those messages reflect a unique Node or the node of the system they transfer through?
    But my point was actually more to Augusts remarks than yours. Telegra groups as they are as a whole is more like a BBS than a mirror.

    I still think that naming it gating covers it better than calling it a telgram BBS. ;)


    It's possible. I don't know anymore.

    It's a method of communicating with Fidonet message areas. I'll leave it at that.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Wed Dec 16 16:00:15 2020
    Hi Charles,

    On 2020-12-16 14:42:41, you wrote to me:

    I don't know if I've ever accessed Fido via newsgroups outside
    of
    BBSes using JAMNNTP or similar.

    Then you would also need to login to your account on the BBS.

    Yes you would. And your messages reflect the Origin node off the BBS, correct?

    It would reflect the gating nodes origin on the fidonet side.

    But if it's through a regular Newsgroup provider, do those
    messages
    have a distinct node or are they linked to an existing BBS in
    some
    other manner?

    I was thinking about the regular newsgroups, that are sometimes gated
    to and from fidonet. (The CBM area is one example)

    So do those messages reflect a unique Node or the node of the system
    they transfer through?

    Same answer.

    But my point was actually more to Augusts remarks than yours.
    Telegra
    groups as they are as a whole is more like a BBS than a mirror.

    I still think that naming it gating covers it better than calling it a
    telgram BBS. ;)


    It's possible. I don't know anymore.

    It's a method of communicating with Fidonet message areas. I'll leave it at
    that.

    Which could be summarized as "gating". ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Wed Dec 16 19:04:10 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    16 ñѬ 20 12:05, Charles Pierson -> Wilfred van Velzen:

    The difference being that with the Telegram BBS, the users and their messages have a distinct node seperate from Stas's BBS.

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are creating an account on Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a Hub or Feed for the Telegram BBS.

    In fact, it is very convenient to use the resources of Telegram servers for this. ;)
    The BBS itself, in fact, works only as a tosser, although user lists are maintained and, in a case, I can disconnect any Telegram user from Fido.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 16 07:17:00 2020
    Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson <=-

    But my point was actually more to Augusts remarks than yours. Telegram groups as they are as a whole is more like a BBS than a mirror.

    I still think that naming it gating covers it better than calling it a telgram BBS. ;)

    Can I send a netmail via FTN to a Telegram user? That might be a good
    litmus test of whether gating is the appropriate term or not, but I'm
    not sure if it's worth coming up with a new term if gating mostly
    fits.



    ... Are there sections? Consider transitions
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Dec 16 17:14:32 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020, Kurt Weiske said the following...
    Can I send a netmail via FTN to a Telegram user? That might be a good
    litmus test of whether gating is the appropriate term or not, but I'm
    not sure if it's worth coming up with a new term if gating mostly
    fits.


    You can, but it goes by the Telegram user ID, not their name.

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  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Dec 16 21:30:18 2020
    Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson <=-

    But my point was actually more to Augusts remarks than yours. Telegram groups as they are as a whole is more like a BBS than a mirror.

    I still think that naming it gating covers it better than calling it a
    telgram BBS. ;)

    Can I send a netmail via FTN to a Telegram user? That might be a good litmus test of whether gating is the appropriate term or not, but I'm
    not sure if it's worth coming up with a new term if gating mostly
    fits.



    ... Are there sections? Consider transitions

    Yes. You can do it. Try reply me via netmail.


    --- tg BBS v0.6.3
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Richard Miles on Wed Dec 16 19:05:00 2020
    Hello Richard!

    ** On Wednesday 16.12.20 - 17:15, Richard Miles wrote to August Abolins:

    I tend to at least look at it like a new "client" rather
    than a gate.

    That is excellent. The app is not much different then using
    telnet or ssh clients to "connect" with a bbs. Furthermore, if
    the bbs is hosted on the cloud or VPS, then the combination
    looks very much like what the Telegram arrangement is.

    Stas has merely learned to leverage the Telegram servers (or
    its VPS) for establishing a BBS-like environment for messaging
    and building a custom tosser/scanner to accomplish the merging
    with FTN.


    Too late to change folks perception that have already
    made up their minds about it unfortunately.

    We can just refuse to use the term gate when refering to it.

    --
    ../|ug

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 16 19:12:00 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** On Wednesday 16.12.20 - 15:18, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Charles Pierson:

    I still think that naming it gating covers it better
    than calling it a telgram BBS. ;)

    Then you can say that converting JAM/Squish/MSG bases is
    "gating" to FTN.

    In this case, the messages on Telegram servers is in Telegram
    format. The public API allows Stas to build a tosser/scanner
    that understands that format. That's not much different than
    a sysop using whatever tosser/scanner that can work with Jam/
    Squish/MSG.

    Meanwhile, we use the Telegram app as a client that is not
    much different than using an nntp, telnet, or ssh client.

    --
    ../|ug

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Stas Mishchenkov on Wed Dec 16 19:15:00 2020
    Hello Stas!

    ** On Wednesday 16.12.20 - 19:04, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Charles Pierson:

    You aren't creating an account on Stas's BBS. You are
    creating an account on Telegram. Stas's BBS acts as a
    Hub or Feed for the Telegram BBS.

    In fact, it is very convenient to use the resources of
    Telegram servers for this. ;)The BBS itself, in fact,
    works only as a tosser, although user lists are
    maintained and, in a case, I can disconnect any Telegram
    user from Fido.

    Telegram is a moderator's dream. It is easy to block a user.
    That user can't really circumvent that unless they manage to
    acquire a new phone number for registration and hide behind a
    new name.

    In Fidonet, a persona non-grata can always find another BBS to
    get around a banishment.
    --
    ../|ug

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Dec 16 19:19:00 2020
    Hello Kurt!

    ** On Wednesday 16.12.20 - 07:17, Kurt Weiske wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    Can I send a netmail via FTN to a Telegram user? That
    might be a good litmus test of whether gating is the
    appropriate term or not,

    Look for the TGUID in the kludges. Address the netmail to
    TGUID@2:460/58, or according to the info provided in the
    REPLYID kludge.


    ..but I'm not sure if it's worth
    coming up with a new term if gating mostly fits.

    Client/server is the term that fits. ;)

    --
    ../|ug

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Charles Pierson on Wed Dec 16 16:55:58 2020
    Re: Re: through the "???"
    By: Charles Pierson to Richard Miles on Wed Dec 16 2020 02:30 pm

    If/when Stas decides to release his bot to the public, there is the potential for more of these systems to come into being.

    Because nothing ever went awry by releasing bots into the public. Skynet?

    :)
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 16 16:58:00 2020
    Re: through the "???"
    By: August Abolins to Richard Miles on Wed Dec 16 2020 07:05 pm

    We can just refuse to use the term gate when refering to it.

    Call it an etag. That'll mess with them.
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Dec 17 03:23:51 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020, Kurt Weiske said the following...

    Re: Re: through the "???"
    By: Charles Pierson to Richard Miles on Wed Dec 16 2020 02:30 pm

    If/when Stas decides to release his bot to the public, there is the potential for more of these systems to come into being.

    Because nothing ever went awry by releasing bots into the public. Skynet?

    :)

    Our Lizard Overlords would never allow that to happen.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Dec 16 21:49:00 2020
    Hello Kurt!

    ** On Wednesday 16.12.20 - 16:58, Kurt Weiske wrote to August Abolins:


    We can just refuse to use the term gate when refering to it.

    Call it an etag. That'll mess with them.

    I am not getting your meaning with the etag term.



    --
    ../|ug

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Thu Dec 17 10:45:01 2020
    Hi August,

    On 2020-12-16 19:12:00, you wrote to me:

    I still think that naming it gating covers it better
    than calling it a telgram BBS. ;)

    Then you can say that converting JAM/Squish/MSG bases is
    "gating" to FTN.

    In this case, the messages on Telegram servers is in Telegram
    format. The public API allows Stas to build a tosser/scanner
    that understands that format. That's not much different than
    a sysop using whatever tosser/scanner that can work with Jam/
    Squish/MSG.

    Meanwhile, we use the Telegram app as a client that is not
    much different than using an nntp, telnet, or ssh client.

    You can twist it anyway you want. ;)

    But in the end it basically still is exchanging messages between two different networks, and that is called gating.

    The ("wildly") different properties of the networks and clients involded don't matter for this... IMHO.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to August Abolins on Sun Dec 27 02:37:43 2020
    Hello August!

    16 Dec 20 21:49, you wrote to Kurt Weiske:

    Call it an etag. That'll mess with them.

    I am not getting your meaning with the etag term.

    Gate backwards, I believe. ;-)

    Andrew

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Andrew Leary on Sun Dec 27 09:26:00 2020
    Hello Andrew!

    ** On Sunday 27.12.20 - 02:37, Andrew Leary wrote to August Abolins:

    Call it an etag. That'll mess with them.

    I am not getting your meaning with the etag term.

    Gate backwards, I believe. ;-)

    How about 3TAP, looking through a mirror?


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