• Change C64 Color Palette

    From cts 3000@3:770/3 to All on Mon Mar 25 05:27:21 2019
    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Thanks,

    Chris

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to All on Mon Mar 25 17:18:18 2019
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT), cts 3000 wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Suppose it's not possible. It's all hard coded.

    Why do you want this?
    --
    Andreas

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  • From Pinku Basudei@3:770/3 to cts3000@gmail.com on Tue Mar 26 04:25:04 2019
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT)
    cts 3000 <cts3000@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Thanks,

    Chris

    As Andreas K writes, no it's not possible on a real C64. You could fork an emulator like VICE for instance and change the palette to something you like. That would not be a C64 emulation but something else though.

    --

    / Pinku

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to Pinku Basudei on Tue Mar 26 15:22:19 2019
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 04:25:04 +0100, Pinku Basudei wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT)
    cts 3000 <cts3000@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Thanks,

    Chris

    As Andreas K writes, no it's not possible on a real C64. You could
    fork an emulator like VICE for instance and change the palette to
    something you like. That would not be a C64 emulation but something
    else though.

    But now I thought may be you could mess with the RF signal from the RCA
    jack. Using a modern day computer and "rewrite" the signal. Don't know if
    there exist ready to run solutions for this idea.
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  • From cts 3000@3:770/3 to Andreas Kohlbach on Sun Mar 31 11:04:06 2019
    I am tired of seeing the "washed out" colors.

    On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT), cts 3000 wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Suppose it's not possible. It's all hard coded.

    Why do you want this?
    --
    Andreas

    My random thoughts and comments
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  • From Pinku Basudei@3:770/3 to cts3000@gmail.com on Sat Apr 6 15:05:56 2019
    On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
    cts 3000 <cts3000@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am tired of seeing the "washed out" colors.

    On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT), cts 3000 wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Suppose it's not possible. It's all hard coded.

    Why do you want this?
    --
    Andreas

    My random thoughts and comments
    https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/


    You could get or emulate a ZX Spectrum, those colors are as saturated as possible in this universe.

    --

    / Pinku

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  • From Pinku Basudei@3:770/3 to cts3000@gmail.com on Sat Apr 6 15:05:56 2019
    8503150b
    On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
    cts 3000 <cts3000@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am tired of seeing the "washed out" colors.

    On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT), cts 3000 wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Suppose it's not possible. It's all hard coded.

    Why do you want this?
    --
    Andreas

    My random thoughts and comments
    https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/


    You could get or emulate a ZX Spectrum, those colors are as saturated as possible in this universe.

    --

    / Pinku

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  • From cts 3000@3:770/3 to Pinku Basudei on Sun Apr 7 07:36:20 2019
    On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 9:05:57 AM UTC-4, Pinku Basudei wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
    cts 3000 <cts3000@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am tired of seeing the "washed out" colors.

    On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT), cts 3000 wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Suppose it's not possible. It's all hard coded.

    Why do you want this?
    --
    Andreas

    My random thoughts and comments
    https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/


    You could get or emulate a ZX Spectrum, those colors are as saturated as
    possible in this universe.

    --

    / Pinku

    ZX Spectrum graphics are terrible.

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to All on Sun Apr 7 15:37:11 2019
    On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 07:36:20 -0700 (PDT), cts 3000 wrote:

    On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 9:05:57 AM UTC-4, Pinku Basudei wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
    cts 3000 <cts3000@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am tired of seeing the "washed out" colors.

    On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT), cts 3000 wrote:

    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Suppose it's not possible. It's all hard coded.

    Why do you want this?
    --
    Andreas

    My random thoughts and comments
    https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/


    You could get or emulate a ZX Spectrum, those colors are as saturated as possible in this universe.

    --

    / Pinku

    ZX Spectrum graphics are terrible.

    And don't forget the attribute clash <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute_clash>.
    --
    Andreas

    My random thoughts and comments
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  • From Harry Potter@3:770/3 to All on Fri Apr 19 17:04:12 2019
    On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 2:04:07 PM UTC-4, cts 3000 wrote:
    I am tired of seeing the "washed out" colors.

    I remember when I was young that I couldn't determine the difference between red, orange and brown on the monitor. Maybe it's the monitor, or maybe you can
    change the settings in front of the monitor, i.e. the color, brightness and contrast settings.
    Try it. :)

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to Harry Potter on Sat Apr 20 13:16:13 2019
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT), Harry Potter wrote:

    On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 2:04:07 PM UTC-4, cts 3000 wrote:
    I am tired of seeing the "washed out" colors.

    I remember when I was young that I couldn't determine the difference
    between red, orange and brown on the monitor. Maybe it's the monitor,
    or maybe you can change the settings in front of the monitor, i.e. the
    color, brightness and contrast settings. Try it. :)

    Or "colorblindness". I have this too. Even when I emulate a Commodore 64
    in VICE and a LCD display.
    --
    Andreas

    My random thoughts and comments
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  • From Harry Potter@3:770/3 to All on Sat Apr 20 12:37:54 2019
    Or "colorblindness". I have this too. Even when I emulate a Commodore 64
    in VICE and a LCD display.

    I have some WinVice C64 color palettes I created because I didn't like the default. I can e-mail them to you or post them here. Interested?

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  • From cts 3000@3:770/3 to Harry Potter on Sat Apr 20 17:26:34 2019
    On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 3:37:55 PM UTC-4, Harry Potter wrote:
    Or "colorblindness". I have this too. Even when I emulate a Commodore 64
    in VICE and a LCD display.

    I have some WinVice C64 color palettes I created because I didn't like the
    default. I can e-mail them to you or post them here. Interested?

    Post them here if you can. :)

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  • From Harry Potter@3:770/3 to All on Sun Apr 21 05:36:10 2019
    On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 8:26:36 PM UTC-4, cts 3000 wrote:
    Post them here if you can. :)

    Okay. Here they are:
    -------------------------
    Fluorescent (My favorite):
    -------------------------
    #
    # VICE Palette file
    #
    # Syntax:
    # Red Green Blue Dither
    #

    # Black
    11 1A 20 0

    # White
    FF F0 E8 F

    # Red
    FF 3A 64 4

    # Cyan
    70 BF FF C

    # Purple
    E8 20 FF 8

    # Green
    70 FF 40 4

    # Blue
    34 1A FF 4

    # Yellow
    FF E6 60 C

    # Orange
    FA A0 50 A

    # Brown
    8A 48 20 4

    # Light Red
    FF 9A AC 8

    # Dark Gray
    44 41 3F 4

    # Medium Gray
    88 82 7A 8

    # Light Green
    9A FF 88 8

    # Light Blue
    88 98 FF 8

    # Light Gray
    CC CC CC C
    ---------------------
    Earth:
    ---------------------
    #
    # VICE Palette file
    #
    # Syntax:
    # Red Green Blue Dither
    #

    # Black
    11 1A 20 0

    # White
    FF F0 E8 F

    # Red
    E8 20 1A 4

    # Cyan
    10 80 9C C

    # Purple
    A0 00 A0 8

    # Green
    10 90 1A 4

    # Blue
    10 A A1 4

    # Yellow
    FF E9 60 C

    # Orange
    A0 70 3A A

    # Brown
    7A 4A 2C 4

    # Light Red
    FF A0 70 8

    # Dark Gray
    44 41 3F 4

    # Medium Gray
    88 82 7A 8

    # Light Green
    70 FF 9A 8

    # Light Blue
    70 A0 E0 8

    # Light Gray
    CC CC CC C
    -----------------------
    Pastels:
    -----------------------
    #
    # VICE Palette file
    #
    # Syntax:
    # Red Green Blue Dither
    #

    # Black
    40 40 40 2

    # White
    FF FF FF F

    # Red
    FF 40 40 4

    # Cyan
    70 EF FF C

    # Purple
    E8 40 FF 8

    # Green
    40 FF 60 4

    # Blue
    40 48 FF 4

    # Yellow
    FF F6 60 C

    # Orange
    FF A0 50 A

    # Brown
    9A 70 50 4

    # Light Red
    FF 60 70 8

    # Dark Gray
    70 70 7A 7

    # Medium Gray
    A0 A0 A0 A

    # Light Green
    90 FF A0 8

    # Light Blue
    88 A4 FF 8

    # Light Gray
    CC CC CC C
    -----------------------
    Nature Tones:
    -----------------------
    #
    # VICE Palette file
    #
    # Syntax:
    # Red Green Blue Dither
    #

    # Black
    11 1A 20 0

    # White
    F8 F0 E8 F

    # Red
    FF 50 00 4

    # Cyan
    00 8A C0 C

    # Purple
    81 00 C0 8

    # Green
    50 B0 00 4

    # Blue
    0A 30 DF 4

    # Yellow
    FF FF 50 C

    # Orange
    FF AF 00 A

    # Brown
    50 2A 10 4

    # Light Red
    F0 A0 7A 8

    # Dark Gray
    44 41 3F 4

    # Medium Gray
    88 82 7A 8

    # Light Green
    6F FF A0 8

    # Light Blue
    78 A8 EF 8

    # Light Gray
    CC CC CC C
    --------------------
    Depressed:
    --------------------
    #
    # VICE Palette file
    #
    # Syntax:
    # Red Green Blue Dither
    #

    # Black
    00 00 20 0

    # White
    C0 C0 E0 F

    # Red
    70 30 46 4

    # Cyan
    40 A0 B0 C

    # Purple
    C0 10 FF 8

    # Green
    00 80 48 4

    # Blue
    00 10 C0 4

    # Yellow
    C0 C0 50 C

    # Orange
    A0 80 40 A

    # Brown
    50 30 20 4

    # Light Red
    E0 A0 B0 8

    # Dark Gray
    30 30 3C 4

    # Medium Gray
    70 70 8A 8

    # Light Green
    60 D0 80 8

    # Light Blue
    50 60 A0 8

    # Light Gray
    A0 A0 C0 C
    -------------------
    Dark
    -------------------
    #
    # VICE Palette file
    #
    # Syntax:
    # Red Green Blue Dither
    #

    # Black
    00 00 00 0

    # White
    C0 C0 C0 C

    # Red
    80 00 00 3

    # Cyan
    00 C0 C0 A

    # Purple
    40 00 88 6

    # Green
    10 80 10 6

    # Blue
    00 10 80 3

    # Yellow
    90 90 10 9

    # Orange
    A0 70 10 7

    # Brown
    70 30 15 3

    # Light Red
    A0 30 41 7

    # Dark Gray
    30 34 3A 3

    # Medium Gray
    4A 3A 42 6

    # Light Green
    40 A0 50 9

    # Light Blue
    50 60 C0 6

    # Light Gray
    80 78 71 9
    -----------------
    My First Tweak:
    -----------------
    #
    # VICE Palette file
    #
    # Syntax:
    # Red Green Blue Dither
    #

    # Black
    00 00 00 0

    # White
    FF FF FF F

    # Red
    FF 00 00 4

    # Cyan
    00 FF FF C

    # Purple
    FF 00 FF 8

    # Green
    00 FF 00 4

    # Blue
    00 00 FF 4

    # Yellow
    FF FF 00 C

    # Orange
    FF 90 00 A

    # Brown
    88 41 10 4

    # Light Red
    FF 88 88 8

    # Dark Gray
    44 44 44 4

    # Medium Gray
    88 88 88 8

    # Light Green
    88 FF 88 8

    # Light Blue
    88 88 FF 8

    # Light Gray
    CC CC CC C
    -------------------
    Do you like these? Tel me what you think! :)

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to Harry Potter on Sun Apr 21 13:30:23 2019
    On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 05:36:10 -0700 (PDT), Harry Potter wrote:

    On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 8:26:36 PM UTC-4, cts 3000 wrote:
    Post them here if you can. :)

    Okay. Here they are:

    [...]

    Where do you put them?

    Btw. even if I have problems with the original colors I'll keep
    them. Because the C64 looked like that and emulation is to bring back the
    old computers with all their design flaws, unreliable hard- and software
    and bugs. So I also keep the garish green of the TRS Color Computer's
    display hurting my eyes. :-)

    Thanks for the effort though.
    --
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  • From Harry Potter@3:770/3 to Andreas Kohlbach on Sun Apr 21 10:57:40 2019
    On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:30:24 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
    Where do you put them?

    Btw. even if I have problems with the original colors I'll keep
    them. Because the C64 looked like that and emulation is to bring back the
    old computers with all their design flaws, unreliable hard- and software
    and bugs. So I also keep the garish green of the TRS Color Computer's
    display hurting my eyes. :-)

    You put them in separate files in the WinVice's c64\ folder. To use them, click Settings, then Video Setting, then the VicII Colors then Browse.... find
    and click the file then Open. Close the menus, and you have your new color scheme.

    Thanks for the effort though.

    You're welcome.

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  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to Harry Potter on Sun Apr 21 14:04:27 2019
    On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), Harry Potter wrote:

    On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:30:24 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
    Where do you put them?

    Btw. even if I have problems with the original colors I'll keep
    them. Because the C64 looked like that and emulation is to bring back the
    old computers with all their design flaws, unreliable hard- and software
    and bugs. So I also keep the garish green of the TRS Color Computer's
    display hurting my eyes. :-)

    You put them in separate files in the WinVice's c64\ folder. To use
    them, click Settings, then Video Setting, then the VicII Colors then Browse.... find and click the file then Open. Close the menus, and
    you have your new color scheme.

    Thanks. I have Linux VICE but should work the same way.
    --
    Andreas

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  • From cts 3000@3:770/3 to All on Wed Apr 24 06:19:19 2019
    Good job Harry Potter!

    I didn't even know this was possible in VICE.

    Chris

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  • From Harry Potter@3:770/3 to All on Sat Apr 27 11:47:00 2019
    On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 9:19:21 AM UTC-4, cts 3000 wrote:
    Good job Harry Potter!

    I didn't even know this was possible in VICE.

    Chris

    :D BTW, if anybody else likes my color schemes, please respond here. I'm an egotist and like praise. :)

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  • From cronicbadger@gmail.com@3:770/3 to All on Thu Sep 5 06:12:36 2019
    On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 11:27:22 PM UTC+11, cts 3000 wrote:
    Is it possible to change the C64 color palette,
    by some software, or hardware hack?

    Thanks,

    Chris

    Yes.

    Back in the early 1990s IIRC a Polish C64 newstand magazine published a a combination hardware/software hack. It used a small software routine to adjust the colours dynamically via the RF cable spliced with the cassette port.

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