• SID player for VICE

    From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to All on Thu Apr 21 12:09:06 2022
    XPost: comp.emulators.cbm

    From my last Debian installation I remember there was a standalone SID
    player coming with the VICE emulator. On the new installation I also
    installed VICE, but cannot find the executable (and cannot remember its
    file name from the previous installation.

    Is this player still shipped with VICE (on Linux)? What's its name then?

    F'up2 comp.emulators.cbm
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    Andreas

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  • From Chance Platt to Andreas Kohlbach on Wed Jun 8 20:15:16 2022
    Re: SID player for VICE
    By: Andreas Kohlbach to All on Thu Apr 21 2022 12:09 pm

    XPost: comp.emulators.cbm

    From my last Debian installation I remember there was a standalone SID player coming with the VICE emulator. On the new installation I also installed VICE, but cannot find the executable (and cannot remember its
    file name from the previous installation.

    Is this player still shipped with VICE (on Linux)? What's its name then?

    F'up2 comp.emulators.cbm
    --
    Andreas

    This post prompted me to look. Yes, in fact, there is one: vsid, on Debian 11.

    I played with vsid for a few minutes .. I'm not sure this would replace sidplayer for me, it seems to like to crash a lot.
  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to Chance Platt on Thu Jun 9 15:34:12 2022
    On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 20:15:16 +1200, Chance Platt wrote:

    Re: SID player for VICE
    By: Andreas Kohlbach to All on Thu Apr 21 2022 12:09 pm

    XPost: comp.emulators.cbm

    From my last Debian installation I remember there was a standalone SID player coming with the VICE emulator. On the new installation I also installed VICE, but cannot find the executable (and cannot remember its file name from the previous installation.

    Is this player still shipped with VICE (on Linux)? What's its name then?

    This post prompted me to look. Yes, in fact, there is one: vsid, on Debian 11.

    I played with vsid for a few minutes .. I'm not sure this would replace sidplayer for me, it seems to like to crash a lot.

    Was using it for a while now, and by chance just yesterday it crashed
    once.

    Just noticing if I start with a certain song it crashes every time. If I
    play a different song first and then the other it doesn't crash.

    One question (not to start a new thread). I set the VIC-II settings to
    PAL, as as an European I am used 50Hz. But some SIDS insist on playing
    in NTSC (60Hz). Cannot find if the VIC-II settings are ignored, or for
    what reason some songs "rush through", others not.
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    Andreas

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  • From Chance Platt to Andreas Kohlbach on Mon Jun 13 15:39:57 2022
    Re: Re: SID player for VICE
    By: Andreas Kohlbach to Chance Platt on Thu Jun 09 2022 03:34 pm

    On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 20:15:16 +1200, Chance Platt wrote:

    Re: SID player for VICE
    By: Andreas Kohlbach to All on Thu Apr 21 2022 12:09 pm

    XPost: comp.emulators.cbm

    From my last Debian installation I remember there was a standalone SID player coming with the VICE emulator. On the new installation I also installed VICE, but cannot find the executable (and cannot
    remember its file name from the previous installation.

    Is this player still shipped with VICE (on Linux)? What's its name then?

    This post prompted me to look. Yes, in fact, there is one: vsid, on Debian 11.

    I played with vsid for a few minutes .. I'm not sure this would replace sidplayer for me, it seems to like to crash a lot.

    Was using it for a while now, and by chance just yesterday it crashed
    once.

    Just noticing if I start with a certain song it crashes every time. If I play a different song first and then the other it doesn't crash.

    One question (not to start a new thread). I set the VIC-II settings to
    PAL, as as an European I am used 50Hz. But some SIDS insist on playing
    in NTSC (60Hz). Cannot find if the VIC-II settings are ignored, or for
    what reason some songs "rush through", others not.

    I don't know what I'm doing to make mine crash, but it's worked for a good while for me in the last few minutes replying to your post. I really like the interface.

    The reason why some rush through and others not is that the original intent, which machine the song was developed on, is included in the file. So the players emulate the "correct" speed for each song individually.

    I've wanted for some years to go through my disks and copy down the SIDs I had, the way I remember them. I'm from the US, so mine were all fixed for NTSC, and the experience of them is different than the more accurate files people trade around.

    So, first, in the menus, Settings -> Settings, set the default model you want (PAL).

    Then, in Settings menu again, click "Override PSID settings". That will force the player to play with your default settings and ignore the values in the PSID files.
  • From Andreas Kohlbach@3:770/3 to Chance Platt on Tue Jun 14 16:15:15 2022
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:39:57 +1200, Chance Platt wrote:

    Re: Re: SID player for VICE
    By: Andreas Kohlbach to Chance Platt on Thu Jun 09 2022 03:34 pm

    Was using it for a while now, and by chance just yesterday it crashed once.

    Just noticing if I start with a certain song it crashes every time. If I play a different song first and then the other it doesn't crash.

    One question (not to start a new thread). I set the VIC-II settings to PAL, as as an European I am used 50Hz. But some SIDS insist on playing
    in NTSC (60Hz). Cannot find if the VIC-II settings are ignored, or for what reason some songs "rush through", others not.

    I don't know what I'm doing to make mine crash, but it's worked for a good while for me in the last few minutes replying to your post. I really like the interface.

    After further investigation those files crashing VSID play only if
    another file is playing and you start the otherwise crashing file without stopping the first.

    One which I can reproduce crashing every time (but playing using the
    method above) is Armalyte which I also have on my SID web page at <http://www.ankman.de/commodore-64-sid-music/>. If you find the time
    please get this and see if it crashes your player too but plays when
    already playing a different file without stopping it.

    The reason why some rush through and others not is that the original intent, which machine the song was developed on, is included in the file. So the players emulate the "correct" speed for each song individually.

    I've wanted for some years to go through my disks and copy down the SIDs I had,
    the way I remember them. I'm from the US, so mine were all fixed for NTSC, and
    the experience of them is different than the more accurate files people trade around.

    Well on the Commodore 64 back in the day you usually could not
    choose. You got an NTSC version in North America and a PAL version almost elsewhere. So depending on where you were and what game you played, it
    might slowed down or sped up with no way to control it other than
    reprogram the program or replace the VIC-II chip.

    So, first, in the menus, Settings -> Settings, set the default model you want (PAL).

    Then, in Settings menu again, click "Override PSID settings". That will force the player to play with your default settings and ignore the values in the PSID
    files.

    That did it! Thanks so much.

    The vicerc file now also has the line--

    PSIDKeepEnv=1

    which seems to do this.
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