Hello,

especially on OS/2/EcS/ArcaOS it is common practice, to close all binkd tasks to archive the log-files and cleanup the outbound/inbound directorys.

If possible, I would like to have a function like this:
- binkd is running in server mode
- binkd.pid exists
- generate a 0 byte file calling binkd.kil at binkd directory
- all binkd instances going down
- binkd.pid is deleted


Like the procedure with BinkleyXE. If I generate a 0 byte File, BinkleyXE is going down after the current call.


Bye/2 Torsten

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On 2018 Jun 19 02:00:06, you wrote to Alle:

especially on OS/2/EcS/ArcaOS it is common practice, to close all binkd tasks to archive the log-files and cleanup the outbound/inbound

directorys.

i requested disk based semaphores like this a several years ago (10+ IIRC) but was met with strong opposition... why? because binkd originates on *nix and they just don't see the need for these types of semaphores as used on DOS systems...

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Hallo mark!

18.06.2018 23:51, mark lewis schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

i requested disk based semaphores like this a several years ago (10+
IIRC) but was met with strong opposition... why? because binkd
originates on *nix and they just don't see the need for these types of semaphores as used on DOS systems...

Well, the orginal IBM concept of semaphores and pipes is very different compare
to a file-triggerd shutdown mechanism.
A semaphore triggerd binkd will be the best possibility, but I know it is very hard to stuck it into the binkd-sourcecode, especially on differnet mechanisms with ArcaOS/Ecomstation/Warp4-3 etc. Also most of the programmers today do not even know about semaphores.

On unix-systems I've got the control of a running instance by the pid(file) with sysrc. Starting and closing tasks/processes is implemented by default.

Because of this, a 'simple' daemon exit mechanism for non unix/linux os systems
might be much easier to implement.

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Hello Torsten,

Tuesday June 19 2018, Torsten Bamberg wrote to Alle:

especially on OS/2/EcS/ArcaOS it is common practice, to close all
binkd tasks to archive the log-files and cleanup the outbound/inbound directorys.

If possible, I would like to have a function like this:
- binkd is running in server mode
- binkd.pid exists
- generate a 0 byte file calling binkd.kil at binkd directory
- all binkd instances going down
- binkd.pid is deleted

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

Michael

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On 2018 Jun 19 11:38:50, you wrote to Torsten Bamberg:

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

that's what he's trying to do but the cron-executed shell script cannot shut down binkd... that's what the (disk-based) semaphore is for... if we could shut
down binkd via semaphore, so many mailer related tasks could be automated instead of having to be manually run like now...

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On 2018 Jun 19 11:38:50, you wrote to Torsten Bamberg:

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

that's what he's trying to do but the cron-executed shell script cannot shut down binkd... that's what the (disk-based) semaphore is for... if we could shut
down binkd via semaphore, so many mailer related tasks could be automated instead of having to be manually run like now...

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Hello mark,

Tuesday June 19 2018, mark lewis wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

that's what he's trying to do but the cron-executed shell script
cannot shut down binkd...

Why? Isn't it possible to kill a process in OS/2?

Michael

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On 2018 Jun 19 21:06:48, you wrote to me:

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

that's what he's trying to do but the cron-executed shell script
cannot shut down binkd...

Why? Isn't it possible to kill a process in OS/2?

it is possible but not all methods are clean... besides, it is much easier to do something like this in a bat or cmd file...


rem create the binkdrunning semaphore
rem>binkdrunning.sem
binkd -C binkd.conf
del binkdrunning.sem


and then in another script...


rem create the disk-based binkd semaphore
rem>killbinkd.sem
:loop
iff exist binkdrunning.sem then
sleep 5
goto /i loop
endiff
del killbinkd.sem
rem now do our log maint
dobnklog process %YEAR% %MONTHNUM%


the above would also work in winwhatever as well as a multitasking DOS environment... no special tools needed or wanted... just plain bat scripting...

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Hi! mark,

On 06/20/2018 05:12 AM, you wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

binkd -C binkd.conf

What happens when you _don't_ use an invocation using "-C", and the config file
gets touched?

Cheers,
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On 20.6.2018 1.32, Paul Quinn wrote:

Hi! mark,

On 06/20/2018 05:12 AM, you wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

 ml>    binkd -C binkd.conf

What happens when you _don't_ use an invocation using "-C", and the
config file gets touched?

Nothing. Binkd just goes on with the current setup. :)

'Tommi

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Hello mark,

Tuesday June 19 2018, mark lewis wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

that's what he's trying to do but the cron-executed shell script
cannot shut down binkd...

Why? Isn't it possible to kill a process in OS/2?

it is possible but not all methods are clean...

It is enough to have one.

[...skipped...]

no special tools needed or wanted... just plain bat
scripting...

That's what I have said. :)

Michael

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Hi Torsten.

19 Jun 18 02:00, you wrote to Alle:

especially on OS/2/EcS/ArcaOS it is common practice, to close all
binkd tasks to archive the log-files and cleanup the outbound/inbound directorys.

If possible, I would like to have a function like this:
- binkd is running in server mode
- binkd.pid exists
- generate a 0 byte file calling binkd.kil at binkd directory
- all binkd instances going down
- binkd.pid is deleted

Not the answer to your request, but in my OS/2 system it is possible to rename binkd.log when binkd is running.

Would be a nice feature, I agree. But I can live without it. ;)

'Tommi

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Hallo Michael!

19.06.2018 11:38, Michael Dukelsky schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

- all binkd instances going down
- binkd.pid is deleted

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

Isn't it possible, to expand the 'binkd.exe -t shutdown' like it is common practice at bsd/linux?

Michael

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On 2018 Jun 20 19:32:52, you wrote to me:

no special tools needed or wanted... just plain bat scripting...

That's what I have said. :)

hehehe... but that way requires an extra and separate tool... kill or pkill or something that can do the job... some are written with EMX and others are written with something else... they don't all work the same... some of them cause problems with other software... if binkd would scan for a few disk-based semaphores, it would work on all OSes equally... it could do this scan at the same time it scans the outbound and all the fileboxes... there could also be a config file option to specify the semaphore directory to look in...

an additional enhancement that could be very handy and built off of this would be to allow the operator to define semaphores in the config file and have them cause binkd to perform certain tasks... this is similar to what is already available except these would be tied to the defined disk-based semaphore files...

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Hallo Tommi!

20.06.2018 20:24, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

Not the answer to your request, but in my OS/2 system it is possible
to rename binkd.log when binkd is running.
Would be a nice feature, I agree. But I can live without it. ;)

Now you can, yes. But if you change your hardware-platform to a very modern multicore one, you will run into the same problems.
All the tools you are using for shutting down tasks won't work anymore. If you use ECS2/ArcaOS and the ibm-smp-kernel.

There is only one way, to kill a task properly. You have to use CAD.EXE by hand. cad.exe can't close tasks/programs by batch/rexx/script.

Because of this, I asked for a possible binkd exit-mechanism, like it is implemented in binkleyXE, a pots mailer. To have a proper exit-mechanism makes it much easier, than have 10/20 tries of a killing-software like pkill.exe, go.exe or kill.exe.

'Tommi

Bye/2 Torsten

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Hi! Tommi,

On 06/21/2018 02:11 AM, you wrote:

What happens when you _don't_ use an invocation using "-C", and the
config file gets touched?

Nothing. Binkd just goes on with the current setup. :)

Oh, nice. Thanks.

Cheers,
Paul.

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20 Jun 18 22:07, you wrote to me:

20.06.2018 20:24, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

Not the answer to your request, but in my OS/2 system it is
possible to rename binkd.log when binkd is running. Would be a
nice feature, I agree. But I can live without it. ;)

Now you can, yes. But if you change your hardware-platform to a very modern multicore one, you will run into the same problems. All the
tools you are using for shutting down tasks won't work anymore. If you
use ECS2/ArcaOS and the ibm-smp-kernel.

Thanks for the explanation, I'll have to remember that if I ever update the hardware. Currently running the last UNI kernel from IBM. (IIRC)

Because of this, I asked for a possible binkd exit-mechanism, like it
is implemented in binkleyXE, a pots mailer. To have a proper exit-mechanism makes it much easier, than have 10/20 tries of a killing-software like pkill.exe, go.exe or kill.exe.

Yes.

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Hello Torsten,

Wednesday June 20 2018, Torsten Bamberg wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

- all binkd instances going down
- binkd.pid is deleted

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

Isn't it possible, to expand the 'binkd.exe -t shutdown' like it is
common practice at bsd/linux?

In fact -t option is in Windows and yes, it would be good to have it in OS/2 too. But it should be implemented by someone who knows programming under OS/2 well.

Michael

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Hello mark,

Wednesday June 20 2018, mark lewis wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

hehehe... but that way requires an extra and separate tool... kill or pkill or something that can do the job... some are written with EMX
and others are written with something else... they don't all work the same... some of them cause problems with other software...

Now I see...

if binkd
would scan for a few disk-based semaphores, it would work on all OSes equally... it could do this scan at the same time it scans the
outbound and all the fileboxes... there could also be a config file
option to specify the semaphore directory to look in...

Maybe you are right.

Michael

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Hello, Michael Dukelsky.
On 21/06/2018 11:13 you wrote:

Hello Torsten,
Wednesday June 20 2018, Torsten Bamberg wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

- all binkd instances going down
- binkd.pid is deleted

It should not be done in binkd, it is a job for a shell script.

Isn't it possible, to expand the 'binkd.exe -t shutdown' like it is
common practice at bsd/linux?

In fact -t option is in Windows and yes, it would be good to have it in

OS/2 too. But it should be implemented by someone who knows programming under OS/2 well.

-t is used to control the service in windows world. How about if binkd is not running as a service?

As Torsten requested, checking for a semaphore file might work in every platform. No need for special OS/2 knowledge.

'Tommi

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