• Re: ALLFIX source

    From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 8 11:01:54 2018
    Hi Ward,

    On 2018-06-08 08:04:10, you wrote to Dallas Hinton:

    I'm assuming you would have the proper contacts?

    I can ask his son to look....other than that, no.

    You know, it may or it may not be salvageable, but it is a piece of Fido history and personally it'd feel more comfortable if it sits on a HD somewhere from where it can be recuperated if someone wants to do
    something
    with it.

    The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who did the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version. He currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety code.

    He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last february. I don't know his current status, but his system is not connectable:

    + 08 Jun 10:58:44 [4953] call to 1:213/720@fidonet
    08 Jun 10:58:44 [4953] trying binkp.rail-city.net [71.83.99.146]...
    ? 08 Jun 10:58:47 [4953] connection to 1:213/720@fidonet failed: No route to host

    :-(


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Jun 8 11:23:37 2018

    Wilfred,

    The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who did
    the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version. He
    currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety code.

    As was D'Bridge until Nick Andre got around the proprietary limitations...

    \%/@rd

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  • From andrew clarke@3:633/267 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 8 20:23:20 2018
    08 Jun 18 11:23, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who
    did the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version.
    He currently can't release it as opensource, because of used
    propriety code.

    As was D'Bridge until Nick Andre got around the proprietary
    limitations...

    And indeed the source to the timEd message editor was also open sourced back in
    2000 by its author despite depending on the Mix C Database Toolchest, a third party commercial library. The commercial library was simply excluded from the code and the rest of it open-sourced with a GPL licence.

    A few years later timEd was ported to Linux without the need for that library. (The library never supported Linux anyway.)

    More recently, earlier this year I got around to fixing the old code from 2000 so the DOS, OS/2 & Windows versions of timEd could be rebuilt without the need for the commercial library.

    Often these problems can ultimately be overcome so the entire thing remains open source, if people feel like spending time doing that.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to andrew clarke on Fri Jun 8 13:11:55 2018

    Often these problems can ultimately be overcome so the entire thing
    remains open source, if people feel like spending time doing that.

    Interesting story, Andrew.

    Hobbyists have written some pretty awesome things.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 8 12:35:12 2018
    Hello Ward!

    08 Jun 2018 13:11, Ward Dossche wrote to andrew clarke:

    Often these problems can ultimately be overcome so the entire thing
    remains open source, if people feel like spending time doing that.

    Interesting story, Andrew.

    Hobbyists have written some pretty awesome things.

    is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)


    Regards Benny

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Jun 8 06:35:58 2018
    Re: Re: ALLFIX source
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 08 2018 11:01 am

    The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who did the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version. He currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety code.

    He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last february. I don't know his current status, but his system is not connectable:

    I'm his host, haven't seen him connect in the past few months. He'd had what seemed like recurring connection problems in the past, hope he'll
    re-appear. I sent him an email just now.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to andrew clarke on Fri Jun 8 06:36:40 2018
    Re: ALLFIX source
    By: andrew clarke to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 08 2018 08:23 pm

    And indeed the source to the timEd message editor was also open sourced back in 2000 by its author despite depending on the Mix C Database Toolchest, a third party commercial library.

    There's a name from the past... I think I had a copy of Mix C in college.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Jun 8 16:04:20 2018

    Interesting story, Andrew.

    Hobbyists have written some pretty awesome things.

    is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

    Maybe you could write it?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 8 14:39:02 2018
    Hello Ward!

    08 Jun 2018 16:04, Ward Dossche wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)
    Maybe you could write it?

    i have to make a debug of basic roms first, as bill gates writed windows xp in compiled basic code :)

    any computer will in future have basic even commodore 128d have it in roms, remember 640k is enough for anyone :)

    i could start Comal in github and hope for the better programmers wake up


    Regards Benny

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Jun 8 10:54:51 2018
    On 08 Jun 18 14:39:02, Benny Pedersen said the following to Ward Dossche:

    Hello Ward!

    08 Jun 2018 16:04, Ward Dossche wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)
    Maybe you could write it?

    i have to make a debug of basic roms first, as bill gates writed windows xp compiled basic code :)

    I expect your copy of Windows XP to work on my dual-floppy Tandy 1000.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Fri Jun 8 20:24:30 2018
    I expect your copy of Windows XP to work on my dual-floppy Tandy 1000.

    You still have a dual-floppy Tandy-1000? ??

    <drool>

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 8 15:11:07 2018
    On 08 Jun 18 20:24:30, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    I expect your copy of Windows XP to work on my dual-floppy Tandy 1000.

    You still have a dual-floppy Tandy-1000? ??

    Its sitting in a basement at my mom's in BC... along with more boxes of records, a large collection of comic books, baseball & hockey cards, etc. childhood stuff from the 80's that I have not had a chance to ship those here to Toronto.

    It has the 40 megabyte ESDI hard drive upgrade if I remember correctly,
    costing an me an entire teenage summer of mowing lawns and babysitting to afford.

    Probably still has DOS 3.3, Lotus 123, Wordperfect, Harvard Graphics, etc. all the stuff I used for typing term papers and school reports on.

    My typewriter is out there too...

    Nick

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Ward Dossche on Sat Jun 9 08:50:00 2018
    Ward Dossche wrote to Benny Pedersen <=-

    is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

    Maybe you could write it?

    Google ReactOS. :)


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Jun 8 18:38:08 2018
    On 2018 Jun 08 12:35:12, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

    bite your tongue! that made me puke in my mouth... yuck...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Jun 8 22:56:52 2018
    with it.

    The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson
    1:213/720, who did the coding and the last couple of
    releases of the 6.x version. He currently can't release it
    as opensource, because of used propriety code.

    The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I provide a copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left Fidonet back in early 2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been working on it.


    He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last
    february. I don't know his current status, but his system
    is not connectable:


    I talked with Ken a few times since Bob passed and recently he has all the code
    now compiling with FPC but has lots of errors so he is working thru it.

    No ETA of when he will have it ready at the current time but something new is coming. :)


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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 8 22:58:59 2018
    The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who
    didWv> the coding and the last couple of releases of the
    6.x version. He
    currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety
    code.


    Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when I was coding it (back in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may have missed something. Maybe. :)


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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Dale Barnes on Fri Jun 8 22:07:54 2018
    Hi Dale -- on Jun 08 2018 at 22:56, you wrote:

    The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I provide
    a copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left Fidonet back in
    early 2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been working
    on it.

    Thanks for the update, Dale - I'll butt out! :-)



    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dale Barnes on Sat Jun 9 08:50:43 2018
    Dale,

    Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when I was coding it (back
    in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may have missed something. Maybe. :)

    At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

    Any truth in that or a wild story?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Dale Barnes on Sat Jun 9 10:44:28 2018
    Hi Dale,

    On 2018-06-08 22:56:52, you wrote to me:

    The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I provide a
    copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left Fidonet back in early
    2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been working on it.

    That's good to hear!

    He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last february. I don't
    know his current status, but his system is not connectable:

    I talked with Ken a few times since Bob passed and recently he has all
    the code now compiling with FPC but has lots of errors so he is
    working thru it.

    Also good! ;)

    No ETA of when he will have it ready at the current time but something
    new is coming. :)

    Does he know his system is offline?

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Dale Barnes on Sat Jun 9 10:48:37 2018
    Hi Dale,

    On 2018-06-08 22:58:59, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have
    found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire
    package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when
    I was coding it (back in the day) that made me think it was propriety
    but I may have missed something. Maybe. :)

    This is a quote from a message in the ALLFIX_HELP area in february by Ken:

    And opensourcing it?

    We will see if I get some of the proprietary code removed.


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Sat Jun 9 07:15:10 2018
    On Sat Jun-09-2018 08:50, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to Dale Barnes:

    Dale,

    Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when I was coding it (back in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may
    have missed something. Maybe. :)

    At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that
    Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

    That's what Bob told me.

    Any truth in that or a wild story?

    I believed him.


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Dallas Hinton on Sat Jun 9 03:46:39 2018
    The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I
    provideDB> a copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left
    Fidonet back in
    early 2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been
    workingDB> on it.

    Thanks for the update, Dale - I'll butt out! :-)


    LOL, no reason to. I did email Ken last night that folks where asking about him and AllFix.


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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Ward Dossche on Sat Jun 9 04:27:21 2018
    in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may have
    missedDB> something. Maybe. :)

    At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was
    told that Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on
    it,

    Any truth in that or a wild story?


    We are a bit off topic in this echo so I will make this brief.

    Wild Story. Your source is not in the know. :)


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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jun 9 10:57:18 2018
    Does he know his system is offline?

    Bye, Wilfred.

    He is having some trouble but it sounded like he needed to work with his NC to get it resolved.


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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jun 9 10:59:24 2018
    And opensourcing it?

    We will see if I get some of the proprietary code removed.


    Yes, I am aware of what he stated but I went thru the code again and did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he may have found something I did not notice before.


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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Roger Nelson on Sat Jun 9 11:13:15 2018
    At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that
    Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

    That's what Bob told me.

    Any truth in that or a wild story?

    I believed him.


    Bob was a friend of mine and we did business together. The code was given to him. It could have been viewed as payment for other things we were working on or loss of income for projects that I was not going to be able to complete due to exiting fidonet. So in his eyes, I could see his point of view that he purchased it and would make that statement but no money or contract exchanged between us when I turned it over to him.


    Bob and I spent lots of time talking, coding and spending money on our hobby and the great ideas we had. It was also 16 years ago and other than the emails
    I have, my memory on all details is not what it use to be. :)

    Ken I am sure will release something pretty good once he can get the resources on it.


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Dale Barnes on Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018
    Hi Dale,

    On 2018-06-09 10:59:24, you wrote to me:

    And opensourcing it?

    We will see if I get some of the proprietary code removed.

    Yes, I am aware of what he stated but I went thru the code again and
    did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he
    may have found something I did not notice before.

    No linking to commercial libraries, for instance?

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jun 9 12:36:19 2018
    did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he
    may have found something I did not notice before.

    No linking to commercial libraries, for instance?


    None that I remember seeing but let's do this, can we move these talks to either the IMECHO or ALLFIX_HELP as I do not want distract from the topic of this echo on this unless no one objects. Also remember Ken is working with newer code so it is possible they started using a commerical package in it.


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  • From Dale Barnes@1:220/60 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jun 9 12:36:19 2018
    did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he
    may have found something I did not notice before.

    No linking to commercial libraries, for instance?


    None that I remember seeing but let's do this, can we move these talks to either the IMECHO or ALLFIX_HELP as I do not want distract from the topic of this echo on this unless no one objects. Also remember Ken is working with newer code so it is possible they started using a commerical package in it.


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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Dale Barnes on Sun Jun 10 06:02:14 2018
    On Sat Jun-09-2018 11:13, Dale Barnes (1:220/60) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that
    Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

    That's what Bob told me.

    Any truth in that or a wild story?

    I believed him.

    Bob was a friend of mine and we did business together.

    Although we nevr met, rarely was there a time when I didn't spend at least an hour speaking to him on the phone, and that was quite often. He was a big help
    to me and when he passed, his son called me to let me know so I could post the sad news in FN_SYSOP. I considered Bob a dear friend.

    The code was given to him. It could have been viewed as payment
    for other things we were working on or loss of income for projects
    that I was not going to be able to complete due to exiting
    fidonet. So in his eyes, I could see his point of view that he
    purchased it and would make that statement but no money or
    contract exchanged between us when I turned it over to him.

    I can see it happening that way. Memory fades with time and it was probably the way you stated. He told me about it over the phone years ago, so I have no
    clear recollection of it.

    Bob and I spent lots of time talking, coding and spending money on
    our hobby and the great ideas we had. It was also 16 years ago and
    other than the emails I have, my memory on all details is not what
    it use to be. :)

    The first call I received from him was when I was elected R19EC back in the late Nineties. It had to be a Kodak moment for me when he told me who he was and that he didn't know whether to congratulate me or offer his condolences. Either one would have been accurate.

    Ken I am sure will release something pretty good once he can get
    the resources on it.

    I hope so.


    Regards,

    Roger
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