Hi,

I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet clients these days. Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the result is that I use
two differernt ones and that's annoying.

I need one that:
1. Has proper ANSI support
2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very least.
3. Is telnet capable. I know I mentioned that, but I want to make sure :)

I don't even mind paying a few bucks for a good one...

Any suggestions?




Regards,
- Jon.

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I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good
telnet clients these days.

that would depend on the operating system you are running...

Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the
result is that I use two differernt ones and that's
annoying.

no doubt...

I need one that:
1. Has proper ANSI support

that should be pretty easy to find since ANSI terminals are very common... the thing is that the terminal needs to be able to tell the remote system that it wants ANSI... this is done via different methods... in the BBS world, the BBS would send an ANSI code and see if the terminal responded to it... if it did, then ANSI was assumed otherwise, not... in the *NIX world, the TERM environment
variable is set to the terminal encoding desired...

2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very
least.

i know that this is going to be a "loosing" argument however, it must be said... telnet doesn't do uploads and downloads... that's what ftp was invented
for... however, having a major background in DOS BBS', i know what it is that you are saying... from my experiance, downloads are generally no problem... uploads, on the other hand, can be quite problematic and the problem can be a combination of things and not at all easily solvable if at all...

3. Is telnet capable. I know I mentioned that, but I want to
make sure :)

hehehe...

I don't even mind paying a few bucks for a good one...

Any suggestions?

on the windows platform, there's hyperterminal... the developers have a personal edition (hyperterminal pe) that does telnet and zmodem file transfers...

there's also telix, both win and dos versions... telix/win (not sure of real name) does the same as hyperterminal pe but i'm not sure about any file transfer problems... mustang software's qmodem pro also does a good job of telnet, terminal emulation and file transfers...

except for the dos version of telix, the above are all windows versions... for dos based systems, one has a few hoops to jump thru and then telix, {commo}, and others can be used just llike always...

i'm not sure of the names but i do know that there are also packages for *nix systems and OS/2 systems that fit your needs... i've seen the names and have even used one or two of them... i just can't think of their names...

FWIW: i'm also not seeing your entry in the nodelist... i don't know if that indicates a problem somewhere or not... you might show up in this friday's list...

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Re: Telnet Client Recommendations?
By: Jon Watson to All on Wed Jun 30 2004 09:56 am

Hi,

I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet clients these days. Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the result is that I use
two differernt ones and that's annoying.

I need one that:
1. Has proper ANSI support
2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very least.
3. Is telnet capable. I know I mentioned that, but I want to make sure :)

I don't even mind paying a few bucks for a good one...

Any suggestions?

Checkout:

mTelnet (http://ozone.eesc.com/)
HyperTerminal PE (http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe/)
NetRunner (http://mysticbbs.com/download.php?list.13)
Zap-o-Comm (aka ZOC) (http://www.emtec.com/)

digital man

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mark lewis wrote to Jon Watson:

I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good
telnet clients these days.

that would depend on the operating system you are running...

Excellent point....WinXP for the most part although I'm playing with the idea of formatting my laptop and putting linux on it.

1. Has proper ANSI support

that should be pretty easy to find since ANSI terminals are very

common...

the thing is that the terminal needs to be able to tell the remote system

Aha...thanks for pointing out the difference. I've noticed that all the terminal programs I've tried recognize the ansi colour, but not necessarily the
proper ansi characters. Using Putty for example, my BBS looks freaking horrible
because all the images are made up of letters and symbols rather than the block
and lines etc that were used to create the image. Hyperterminal and MTelnet have no problems with it.

2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very
least.

i know that this is going to be a "loosing" argument however, it must be

That's what I thought - I recall downloading via ZModem over telnet with some terminal programin the distant past, but I can't seem to get Hyperterminal or Telix to do it now. Maybe it's my lan connection...hmm...

I agree...ftp is for file transfers, telnet is for terminal emulation and for the most part I don't have a problem with that. In fact, the Linux BBS
probram
I use has the ability to allocate each user a little ftp space to do just
that
type of thing with. The problem is offline mail. I want to download my QWK packet and I can't.

on the windows platform, there's hyperterminal... the developers have a

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'm going to look into them all.

FWIW: i'm also not seeing your entry in the nodelist... i don't know if that indicates a problem somewhere or not... you might show up in this

Really? I *am* new, but I'm in NODELIST.177 which I believe is the current one,
no? Are you up to date? :)



Regards,
- Jon.

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¡Hola Jon!

El Miércoles 30 Junio 2004 a las 08:56, Jon Watson escribió a All:

I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet clients
these days. Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the
result is that I use two differernt ones and that's annoying.

I use mTelnet! (ozone.eesc.com), it's great. Other good telnet clients are netrunner, putty, ... Zoc (shareware), ...

Saludos,

Albano de Manuel
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Rob Swindell wrote to Jon Watson:

mTelnet (http://ozone.eesc.com/)
HyperTerminal PE (http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe/)
NetRunner (http://mysticbbs.com/download.php?list.13)
Zap-o-Comm (aka ZOC) (http://www.emtec.com/)

Cool..thanks.

I've had no luck getting downloads to happen with Mtelnet. I think I might have
something set up incorrectly via my system. Or maybe my router....hmm....



Regards,
- Jon.

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FWIW: i'm also not seeing your entry in the nodelist...
i don't know if that indicates a problem somewhere or
not... you might show up in this

Really? I *am* new, but I'm in NODELIST.177 which I
believe is the current one, no? Are you up to date? :)

i am fully up to date... especially after having been doing this fidonet stuff for many years...

[time passes]

hummm... you do (now) show up... i don't know why you didn't before 177 arrived... but it is here now and you do appear... no problems there ;)

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*** Quoting Jon Watson from a message to All ***

I need one that: 1. Has proper ANSI support 2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very least. 3. Is telnet capable. I
know I mentioned that, but I want to make sure :)

You might want to try mTel-it's free and is available for Win32 and OS/2.

Check out http://dink.org and look for the mTelnet link.

--Sean

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* An ongoing debate between Jon Watson and All rages on ...

JW: > I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet clients
JW: > these days. Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the
JW: > result is that I use two differernt ones and that's annoying.
JW: > I need one that: 1. Has proper ANSI support 2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem
JW: > downloads...well..Z Modem at the very least. 3. Is telnet capable. I
JW: > know I mentioned that, but I want to make sure :)
JW: > I don't even mind paying a few bucks for a good one...

What OS? I use NetTerm under Wins 3.1 (16-bit version) and Win98SE (32-bit version). Does perfect ZModem ...

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I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet client

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Am 30.06.04 15:04 schrieb mark lewis

I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet
clients these days.

that would depend on the operating system you are running...

Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the result is
that I use two differernt ones and that's annoying.

no doubt...

I need one that: 1. Has proper ANSI support

telnet/telnetpm under OS/2 and eCS does this well.

2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very
least.

Down/upload is nothing that telnet is created for. However when you needs a client that can do this you would install ZOC.


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On 03 Jul 04 03:05:00, Paul Casey got back to Jon Watson

Re: Telnet Client Recommendations?

-------------------------------------------------------------- Qmodem
Pro is a dial-up manager that allows you to Dial or Telnet to a BBS Released July 7th, 1997 Developer Mustang Software No longer Sells/Supports QModem. When Contacted, They said "Get the crack file
from the internet"

Very interesting!

And, that's quite nice of them to suggest that.

Now to find the same deal for OMX!


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I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet clients these days. Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the result is that

I've been useing HyperTerminal. It's not too bad. Zmodem works decent and
it has nice ANSI support. You can get it at www.country-computer.net

Later...


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I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet clients these
days. Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the result is that

I've been useing HyperTerminal. It's not too bad. Zmodem works decent
and
it has nice ANSI support. You can get it at www.country-computer.net

Howard, I've been using QModem 2.1 for Windows 95 and NT (I use it on Win2k and XP) This file is available for d/l at my BBS, and it works GREAT for modem
AND telnet.

l8r


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Howard, I've been using QModem 2.1 for Windows 95 and NT (I use it on
Win2k and XP) This file is available for d/l at my BBS, and it works
GREAT for modem AND telnet.

Thanks Bill. I'll keep that in mind.

Later...


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ZOC terminal works pretty well for ansi emulation...it's kinda pricey though.
It does: XMODEM, YMODEM, KERMIT, ZMODEM transfers. Ansi emulation is pretty good too.

mark lewis wrote to Jon Watson:

I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good
telnet clients these days.

that would depend on the operating system you are running...

Excellent point....WinXP for the most part although
I'm playing with the idea
of formatting my laptop and putting linux on it.

1. Has proper ANSI support

that should be pretty easy to find since ANSI terminals are very

common...

the thing is that the terminal needs to be able to
tell the remote system

Aha...thanks for pointing out the difference. I've noticed that all the terminal programs I've tried recognize the ansi
colour, but not necessarily
the
proper ansi characters. Using Putty for example, my BBS looks freaking horrible
because all the images are made up of letters and
symbols rather than the
block
and lines etc that were used to create the image.
Hyperterminal and MTelnet
have no problems with it.

2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very
least.

i know that this is going to be a "loosing"
argument however, it must be

That's what I thought - I recall downloading via
ZModem over telnet with some
terminal programin the distant past, but I can't seem
to get Hyperterminal or
Telix to do it now. Maybe it's my lan connection...hmm...

I agree...ftp is for file transfers, telnet is for
terminal emulation and for
the most part I don't have a problem with that. In fact, the Linux BBS probram
I use has the ability to allocate each user a little
ftp space to do just
that
type of thing with. The problem is offline mail. I
want to download my QWK
packet and I can't.

on the windows platform, there's hyperterminal...
the developers have a

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'm going to look into them all.

FWIW: i'm also not seeing your entry in the
nodelist... i don't know if
that indicates a problem somewhere or not... you
might show up in this

Really? I *am* new, but I'm in NODELIST.177 which I
believe is the current
one,
no? Are you up to date? :)

Regards,
- Jon.

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Kirk Melton

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Kirk Melton wrote to Jon Watson:

ZOC terminal works pretty well for ansi emulation...it's kinda pricey though. It does: XMODEM, YMODEM, KERMIT, ZMODEM transfers. Ansi

Yeah, I used to use ZOC when I ran OS/2. I quite enjoyed it, but it was free with OS/2 and there doesn't seem to be a freeware version for DOS/Win. It is nice client though...

I'm currently using MTelnet and other than I don't seem to be able to tell it that I want the backspace key to delete rather than send Crtl-H, it's working just fine.

Thanks!



Greetings, Jon Watson

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Jon Watson wrote to All <=-

Hi,

I'm wondering what the state of the nation is on good telnet clients
these days. Every one I use has some sort of shortcoming and the result
is that I use
two differernt ones and that's annoying.

I need one that:
1. Has proper ANSI support
2. Can do X/Y/Z Modem downloads...well..Z Modem at the very least.
3. Is telnet capable. I know I mentioned that, but I want to make sure
:)

I don't even mind paying a few bucks for a good one...

Any suggestions?

In another post you mention running Linux soon. On Linux two decent
BBS clients are SyncTERM and Qodem. (I'm partial to the latter, but
that's because I'm its programmer. :) ) Though both do telnet and SSH,
SyncTERM is strong on BBSes with some nice features for games, while
Qodem has features for non-BBS systems like good VT100 support,
Unicode, and keyboard macros.

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