So a new user logs into my BBS today and elects to "Chat with the Sysop".

This computer is connected to a 4-channel audio mixer that allows me to have some other things plugged in, and it happened that I was listening to music on headphones. The Sysop-Page feature beeps the PC speaker, which I didn't realize until now, maps to the audio driver *at full freaking blast*, and because NOBODY has paged me since... I think 2004, I forgot what it sounded like.

So I get a blast of PC audio noise in my ear because I left that Line channel mixed on high volume, probably in a drunken stupor, and when I went to answer the page, the person said "I AM A NOOB".

So... okay... Welcome to my BBS, you'll find all kinds of stuff here, etc etc, told my story and all I got was "HOW DO I EXIT CHAT?".

Before I could reply with "Turn off your caps lock key for starters", he disconnected...

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/426)

Re: Incredible!
By: Nick Andre to All on Thu Jul 28 2016 06:59 pm

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

I broke a user into chat recently and he was shocked that there was someone on the other end. The BBS was eating its own tail and I had to reboot the box... --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
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On 07/28/16, Nick Andre said the following...

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

Nah because I run on a Raspberry Pi, which is headless and has no audio
output!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (1:123/525)

On 28 Jul 16 20:34:00, Andrew Haworth said the following to Nick Andre:

On 07/28/16, Nick Andre said the following...

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

Nah because I run on a Raspberry Pi, which is headless and has no audio output!

Nice to hear! So with no audio output, do you get a text-translation of the request?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/426)

On 07/28/16, Nick Andre said the following...

Nice to hear! So with no audio output, do you get a text-translation of the request?

Hehehe nah nothing like that. Linux versions of Mystic don't even have a
paging module because it's assumed you can run any sort of door with one's particular audio setup. I'm sure the Pi has an audio-out but I'd have to run
to a machine, ssh into the Pi and run Nodespy, then break into chat.

BTW, I was playing with Renegade and D'Bridge this week. Nice work on the
binkd support! I setup RG as a point and fed it some messages from Mystic. It was beautiful!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (1:123/525)

Andrew Haworth wrote to Nick Andre:

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

Nah because I run on a Raspberry Pi, which is headless and has no audio output!

Same here.


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... A Smith & Wesson *ALWAYS* beats 4 Aces.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

Andrew Haworth wrote to Nick Andre:

paging module because it's assumed you can run any sort of door with one's particular audio setup. I'm sure the Pi has an audio-out but I'd have to run
to a machine, ssh into the Pi and run Nodespy, then break into chat.

Pretty much what I have to do with MBSE here on the Pi -- but with running mbmon instead. The only way my Pi here gets sound out is via HDMI audio.


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... A Smith & Wesson *ALWAYS* beats 4 Aces.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

Rarely and sometimes I miss it because the speakers are turned down too low.

Ruben Figueroa
Mystic Prison Board Sysop
telnet://pb.darktech.org:24
Web: www.rdfig.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Windows)
* Origin: Mystic Prison Board*Mesquite Tx*pb.darktech.org:24 (1:124/5014)

On 07/29/16, Robert Wolfe said the following...

Pretty much what I have to do with MBSE here on the Pi -- but with
running mbmon instead. The only way my Pi here gets sound out is via
HDMI audio.

I'd like to try MBSE. Good to see that it runs on a Pi also!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (1:123/525)

Zazz wrote to Nick Andre:

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

Rarely and sometimes I miss it because the speakers are turned down too low.

I am not near the BBS machines that much to answer any pages, so don't really miss it that much. Which is usually why I have that option no on the manuing system or forwarding to comments.


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... "Build a watch in 179 easy steps" by C. Forsberg.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

Andrew Haworth wrote to Robert Wolfe:

Pretty much what I have to do with MBSE here on the Pi -- but with running mbmon instead. The only way my Pi here gets sound out is via HDMI audio.

I'd like to try MBSE. Good to see that it runs on a Pi also!

If you can find the source code and compile it with Linux, when it will work on
a Pi. :)

I'd like to see Internet Rex run on a Pi :)


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... At a store: In God we trust; all others pay cash.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

Andrew Haworth wrote to Robert Wolfe:

On 07/29/16, Robert Wolfe said the following...

Pretty much what I have to do with MBSE here on the Pi -- but with running mbmon instead. The only way my Pi here gets sound out is via HDMI audio.

I'd like to try MBSE. Good to see that it runs on a Pi also!

If you would like to try MBSE on the Pi, I have posted build instructions for Raspian and MBSE online. I am hoping to get my Pi BBS' website updated some more this weekend (http://pi.rivernet.us).

Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... A dirty book is rarely dusty.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

Hello Nick.

28 Jul 16 18:59, you wrote to all:

So... okay... Welcome to my BBS, you'll find all kinds of stuff here,
etc etc, told my story and all I got was "HOW DO I EXIT CHAT?".

Before I could reply with "Turn off your caps lock key for starters",
he disconnected...

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

LOL! It's been a while since I have been paged, but on the early days people used to call me in the middle of the night, so you can imagine that this
would wake up the entire house ;)

Flavio

--- MacFidoIP 1.0 (OSX)
* Origin: Hyperion's Orbit - Resisting since 1995! (4:801/189.1)

Anyone else here still getting Sysop page-requests on your boards?

I think I removed the option. ;) hahaha Good story though Nick! ;)

Shawn

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Tiny's BBS - tinysbbs.com (1:229/452)

On 28 Jul 16 22:17:00, Andrew Haworth said the following to Nick Andre:

Nice to hear! So with no audio output, do you get a text-translation o the request?

Hehehe nah nothing like that. Linux versions of Mystic don't even have a paging module because it's assumed you can run any sort of door with one's particular audio setup. I'm sure the Pi has an audio-out but I'd have to ru to a machine, ssh into the Pi and run Nodespy, then break into chat.

I remember back in the mid 90's there was this very colorful Ansi Sysop chat door that supported Soundblaster...

BTW, I was playing with Renegade and D'Bridge this week. Nice work on the binkd support! I setup RG as a point and fed it some messages from Mystic. was beautiful!

If I had the time, I would finish the project of porting D'Bridge to Linux...

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/426)

Nick Andre wrote to Andrew Haworth:

If I had the time, I would finish the project of porting D'Bridge to Linux...

This would be cool :) Now if someone would just wrote a menu-driven configuration editor/generator for binkp, that would be awesome :)


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... An Elephant; A Mouse built to government specifications.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

On 07/29/16, Nick Andre said the following...

If I had the time, I would finish the project of porting D'Bridge to Linux...

That has to be a huge project. That's an epic program with so many options
and ways to configure it. Back in '95 when I was trying to network Renegade,
it was my mailer of choice!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (1:123/525)

On 07/29/16, Robert Wolfe said the following...

If you would like to try MBSE on the Pi, I have posted build
instructions for Raspian and MBSE online. I am hoping to get my Pi BBS' website updated some more this weekend (http://pi.rivernet.us).

Excellent work Robert! Thanks for that!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (1:123/525)

30 Jul 16 00:42, you wrote to Nick Andre:

If I had the time, I would finish the project of porting D'Bridge to
Linux...

This would be cool :) Now if someone would just wrote a menu-driven configuration editor/generator for binkp, that would be awesome :)

binkp is the protocol... i think you mean binkd, the daemon... and someone has written such ;)

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

... You're in a maze of twisty echo conferences, all alike.
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On 30 Jul 16 09:43:00, Andrew Haworth said the following to Nick Andre:

If I had the time, I would finish the project of porting D'Bridge to Linux...

That has to be a huge project. That's an epic program with so many options and ways to configure it. Back in '95 when I was trying to network Renegade it was my mailer of choice!

Yes its a HUGE undertaking. The source code is massive and there is a ton of conversion to do. It was my mailer of choice back in '95 as well :)

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/426)

Andrew Haworth wrote to Robert Wolfe:

On 07/29/16, Robert Wolfe said the following...

If you would like to try MBSE on the Pi, I have posted build instructions for Raspian and MBSE online. I am hoping to get my Pi

BBS'

website updated some more this weekend (http://pi.rivernet.us).

Excellent work Robert! Thanks for that!

Here is the link: http://pi.rivernet.us/build.html


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... A Smith & Wesson *ALWAYS* beats 4 Aces.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

On 07/30/16, Robert Wolfe said the following...

Here is the link: http://pi.rivernet.us/build.html

This looks awesome Robert, thanks so much!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A30 (Raspberry Pi)
* Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (1:123/525)

30 Jul 16 20:08, you wrote to Andrew Haworth:

Here is the link: http://pi.rivernet.us/build.html

how come it does the same "git clone" command twice??

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

... Everyone is weird...some of us are proud of it.
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Andrew Haworth wrote to Robert Wolfe:

On 07/30/16, Robert Wolfe said the following...

Here is the link: http://pi.rivernet.us/build.html

This looks awesome Robert, thanks so much!

Not a problem. Hope it helps.

Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... At a store: In God we trust; all others pay cash.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

mark lewis wrote to Robert Wolfe:

30 Jul 16 20:08, you wrote to Andrew Haworth:

Here is the link: http://pi.rivernet.us/build.html

how come it does the same "git clone" command twice??

Once to pull the code down as a regular user to allow SETUP.sh to be used to create the mbse user. And the second time to be run as the MBSE user to configure, build and install the software. I've run this same set of instructions at least 10 times and they have worked each and every time. The logic is there.


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... At a store: In God we trust; all others pay cash.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

31 Jul 16 23:40, you wrote to me:

Here is the link: http://pi.rivernet.us/build.html

how come it does the same "git clone" command twice??

Once to pull the code down as a regular user to allow SETUP.sh to be
used to create the mbse user. And the second time to be run as the
MBSE user to configure, build and install the software.

that's weird, man...

I've run this same set of instructions at least 10 times and they have worked each and every time. The logic is there.

i can understand it but it is just weird having to have two copies of the repo... thanks, though!

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

... He gets all his exercise by jumping to conclusions.
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mark lewis wrote to Robert Wolfe:

Once to pull the code down as a regular user to allow SETUP.sh to be used to create the mbse user. And the second time to be run as the MBSE user to configure, build and install the software.

that's weird, man...

I've run this same set of instructions at least 10 times and they

have

worked each and every time. The logic is there.

i can understand it but it is just weird having to have two copies of the repo... thanks, though!

What it boils down to is a permissions thing basically.

Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... "Keyboard? How quaint!" - Scotty

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

Hello mark!

01 Aug 16 07:35, you wrote to Robert Wolfe:

i can understand it but it is just weird having to have two copies of
the repo... thanks, though!

Technically, you don't need to keep two copies. The INSTALL instructions, AAMOF, suggest unpacking the tarball to /tmp as the root user, running the SETUP.sh script to create the MBSE users and home directories, and then logging in as the mbse user to unpack and build the software.

The only file you actually need from that first unpacking is SETUP.sh. Once you have run that once to create the users and home directories, you can delete that copy.

Robert's script just substitutes grabbing the current code from the git repository for downloading a tarball and unpacking it.

Andrew

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
* Origin: Phoenix BBS * phoenix.bnbbbs.net (1:320/219)

01 Aug 16 23:24, you wrote to me:

i can understand it but it is just weird having to have two copies of
the repo... thanks, though!

Technically, you don't need to keep two copies. The INSTALL
instructions, AAMOF, suggest unpacking the tarball to /tmp as the root user, running the SETUP.sh script to create the MBSE users and home directories, and then logging in as the mbse user to unpack and build
the software.

that sounds more like what i'd expect... i'll have to dig in a li'l deeper as i'm pretty sure that the permissions and ownership likely need to be adjusted so the mbse user can get to them...

The only file you actually need from that first unpacking is SETUP.sh. Once you have run that once to create the users and home directories,
you can delete that copy.

i guess that works, too :)

Robert's script just substitutes grabbing the current code from the
git repository for downloading a tarball and unpacking it.

ok...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

... Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.
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Hello mark!

04 Aug 16 15:17, you wrote to me:

Technically, you don't need to keep two copies. The INSTALL
instructions, AAMOF, suggest unpacking the tarball to /tmp as the
root user, running the SETUP.sh script to create the MBSE users
and home directories, and then logging in as the mbse user to
unpack and build the software.

that sounds more like what i'd expect... i'll have to dig in a li'l
deeper as i'm pretty sure that the permissions and ownership likely
need to be adjusted so the mbse user can get to them...

That's the main reason for logging in as mbse before the final build of the software. Unpacking the source archive (or cloning the code from a repository) as mbse sets the owner/group of all the source files to mbse:bbs. The initial build is also done as user mbse. Then you run make install as root to install the files to the proper places and adjust ownership/permissions as needed.

Andrew

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
* Origin: Phoenix BBS * phoenix.bnbbbs.net (1:320/219)

Hello Mark!

In a message to Robert Wolfe <07/30/20> Mark Lewis wrote:

This would be cool :) Now if someone would just wrote a menu-driven
configuration editor/generator for binkp, that would be awesome :)

binkp is the protocol... i think you mean binkd, the
daemon... and someone has written such ;)

That's what I mean, and please, do tell :) Need more input! :P

... Platinum Xpress....here kitty, kitty!

--- ViaMAIL!/WC v2.00
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30 Jul 16 14:36, you wrote to me:

This would be cool :) Now if someone would just wrote a menu-driven
configuration editor/generator for binkp, that would be awesome :)

binkp is the protocol... i think you mean binkd, the daemon... and
someone has written such ;)

That's what I mean, and please, do tell :) Need more input! :P

dbridge

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

... It's hard to believe he beat out 1,000,000 other sperm.
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On Aug 05, 2016 04:32pm, mark lewis wrote to Robert Wolfe:

30 Jul 16 14:36, you wrote to me:

This would be cool :) Now if someone would just wrote a menu-driven
configuration editor/generator for binkp, that would be awesome :)

binkp is the protocol... i think you mean binkd, the daemon... and
someone has written such ;)

That's what I mean, and please, do tell :) Need more input! :P

dbridge

Ok, never saw a binkp configuration section in the D'Bridge package before. I've always had to manually edit the binkp config files outside of D'b.

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Neptune's Lair * Memphis TN * winserver.org (1:116/18)

06 Aug 16 07:29, you wrote to me:

This would be cool :) Now if someone would just wrote a
menu-driven configuration editor/generator for binkp, that would
be awesome :)

binkp is the protocol... i think you mean binkd, the daemon... and
someone has written such ;)

That's what I mean, and please, do tell :) Need more input! :P

dbridge

Ok, never saw a binkp configuration section in the D'Bridge package before. I've always had to manually edit the binkp config files
outside of D'b.

there's not a separate section... it is built into the whole thing... if you are using dbridge and binkd together the way they are designed, manually editing the binkd config file is a BadThing<tm> because dbridge will overwrite it the next time it issues an update to binkd... yes, you can run the two together without dbridge telling binkd what to do... i do it here on one of my test boxen and apparently you do it on (one of?) your's, too...

but back to the subject of a menu driven config app for the binkd configuration
file, yes, dbridge is the only one i know of at this time...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

... A thrifty housewife always peels potatoes twice.
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mark lewis wrote to Robert Wolfe:

Ok, never saw a binkp configuration section in the D'Bridge package before. I've always had to manually edit the binkp config files outside of D'b.

there's not a separate section... it is built into the whole thing... if you are using dbridge and binkd together the way they are designed, manually editing the binkd config file is a BadThing<tm> because dbridge will overwrite it the next time it issues an update to binkd... yes, you can run the two together without dbridge telling binkd what to do... i do it here on one of my test boxen and apparently you do it on (one of?) your's, too...

but back to the subject of a menu driven config app for the binkd configuration file, yes, dbridge is the only one i know of at this time...

Ok, I will have to check out D'b and see if I can engineer it so that it works with Platinum Xpress :)


Greetings, Robert Wolfe

... "Build a watch in 179 easy steps" by C. Forsberg.

--- MBSE BBS v1.0.6.5 (GNU/Linux-ARM)
* Origin: Bridge Over River Pi * http://pi.rivernet.us (1:116/17)

06 Aug 16 19:39, you wrote to me:

mark lewis wrote to Robert Wolfe:

but back to the subject of a menu driven config app for the binkd
configuration file, yes, dbridge is the only one i know of at this
time...

Ok, I will have to check out D'b and see if I can engineer it so that
it works with Platinum Xpress :)

i don't know what would have to be "reengineered" since both, platinum express and dbridge, are mailers... choose one or the other or try to work out some sort of integration mess like i did with frontdoor and binkd (which was fileboxes)... but to be honest, i'm thinking of dropping frontdoor and remoteaccess and going to something else entirely :(

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

... Moi, an INSTIGATOR?????
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Ok, I will have to check out D'b and see if I can engineer it so that it

works

with Platinum Xpress :)

Is there any SDK that Nick can use so we can have PX and BinkP have fun?
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
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On Aug 06, 2016 10:53pm, mark lewis wrote to Robert Wolfe:

i don't know what would have to be "reengineered" since both, platinum express and dbridge, are mailers... choose one or the other or try to
work out some sort of integration mess like i did with frontdoor and
binkd (which was fileboxes)... but to be honest, i'm thinking of
dropping frontdoor and remoteaccess and going to something else
entirely :(

Yeah, but I'd use it if it makes setting up and using binkd easier, since Platinum Xpress can utilize fileboxes as well. But, it just calls them "internet/ftp export" and "internet/ftp import" directories :)

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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