1. Forum
  2. FidoNet
  3. BBS CARNIVAL

  • Netfoss

    From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to All on Sun May 8 18:22:47 2016


    It seems Windows Defender is deleting the newest version of Netfoss, is it
    the hercurtics engine that is pissing it off?

    ... [CE] Think Diffrent(TM) Call a BBS today!
    →
    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: Inland Utopia BBS (1:218/109.0)
  • From Hawk Hubbard@1:135/369 to MATT MUNSON on Sun May 8 20:23:00 2016
    It seems Windows Defender is deleting the newest version of Netfoss, is
    it the hercurtics engine that is pissing it off?

    Ill ask Mike Ehlert about this

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A13 (Windows)
    * Origin: ACiD Telnet HQ / blackflag.acid.org (1:135/369)
  • From Mike Ehlert@1:3634/12 to MATT MUNSON on Sun May 8 21:20:00 2016
    * In a cyberspace transmission to All, MATT MUNSON said:

    It seems Windows Defender is deleting the newest version of
    Netfoss, is it
    the hercurtics engine that is pissing it off?

    I suspect it is deleting Net2BBS and not NetFoss, at least that's
    what a few other anti virus programs were doing that use
    "Heuristic analysis", such as Avast and F-Prot. I submitted a
    false-positive report to Avast the day I released version 1.14
    and they promply responded and informed me they had updated their
    database to prevent it from being flagged in the future. However
    F-Prot's web site has a broken AV False Positive submission form,
    and no matter which browser I tried, the submission failed.

    I was unaware that Windows Defender uses Heuristic Analysis as
    well. This basicly means that it will generate false positives
    when programs appear suspisious such as a telnet server that allows
    incoming tcp connections. Many also consider very small files such
    as software written in assembler to be suspicious, just because
    it's the prefered language of hackers and virus writers wanting
    a small payload.

    If you have doubts about such a file the best thing to do is
    upload it to a multi-AV online scanning site such as Virus
    Total, and see if the higher quality AV programs such as
    Kaspersky, AVG, Symantec, and even Clam AV will mark it as
    a threat.

    Regards, Mike


    * Origin: (1:3634/12)
  • From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to Mike Ehlert on Mon May 9 01:07:18 2016


    Mike Ehlert (1:3634/12) Sun May 08 21:20:00 2016
    It seems Windows Defender is deleting the newest version of Netfoss,
    is it the hercurtics engine that is pissing it off?

    I suspect it is deleting Net2BBS and not NetFoss, at least that's
    what a few other anti virus programs were doing that use "Heuristic
    I guess I will just need to find a good alternative anti virus program
    instead of relying on microsoft's defender on my bbs virtual machine.

    ... [CE] These apples, they are mightingly delicious. They might as well be free!

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: Inland Utopia BBS (1:218/109.0)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Mike Ehlert on Mon May 9 20:15:19 2016
    Mike Ehlert wrote to MATT MUNSON <=-

    I was unaware that Windows Defender uses Heuristic Analysis as
    well. This basicly means that it will generate false positives
    when programs appear suspisious such as a telnet server that allows incoming tcp connections. Many also consider very small files such
    as software written in assembler to be suspicious, just because
    it's the prefered language of hackers and virus writers wanting
    a small payload.

    I'd dial the heuristics waaayyyy down. A lot of the Windows AV stuff is
    overly sensitive these days. I had a report that one of my DOS doors caused
    a false positive and I'm still wondering why.

    BTW, nice to see you in here. Lurking in the shadows? :)

    --Sean

    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Limestone, TN, USA (1:18/200)
  • From Mike Ehlert@1:3634/12 to Sean Dennis on Tue May 10 14:22:00 2016
    Hi Sean

    BTW, nice to see you in here. Lurking in the shadows? :)

    No, a friend told me that someone had mentioned a false-positive result on NetFoss in here, so I figured I'd pop in and have a look. I usually only read the FidoNet echos once in a blue moon. I keep planning to rejoin but never seem to find the time.

    /s


    * Origin: (1:3634/12)
  • From ROBERT WOLFE@1:116/18 to Mike Ehlert on Tue May 10 21:45:00 2016

    On May 10, 2016 02:22pm, Mike Ehlert wrote to Sean Dennis:

    Hi Sean

    BTW, nice to see you in here. Lurking in the shadows? :)

    No, a friend told me that someone had mentioned a false-positive result
    on NetFoss in here, so I figured I'd pop in and have a look. I usually only read the FidoNet echos once in a blue moon. I keep planning to
    rejoin but never seem to find the time.

    Hey Mike, welcome back!

    ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
    * Origin: http://finathon.org/neptunes-lair-bbs - Help Save Our O (1:116/18)
  • From ROBERT WOLFE@1:116/18 to MATT MUNSON on Tue May 10 21:45:44 2016

    On May 09, 2016 01:07am, MATT MUNSON wrote to Mike Ehlert:

    Mike Ehlert (1:3634/12) Sun May 08 21:20:00 2016
    It seems Windows Defender is deleting the newest version of Netfoss,
    is it the hercurtics engine that is pissing it off?

    I suspect it is deleting Net2BBS and not NetFoss, at least that's
    what a few other anti virus programs were doing that use "Heuristic
    I guess I will just need to find a good alternative anti virus program instead of relying on microsoft's defender on my bbs virtual machine.

    Turns out Norton does the same thing.

    ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
    * Origin: http://finathon.org/neptunes-lair-bbs - Help Save Our O (1:116/18)
  • From Barry Davis Jr@1:300/5 to MATT MUNSON on Tue May 10 22:47:29 2016
    Re: Re: Netfoss
    By: MATT MUNSON to Mike Ehlert on Mon May 09 2016 01:07:18

    I guess I will just need to find a good alternative anti virus program instead of relying on microsoft's defender on my bbs virtual machine.

    I use Avast here with no problems.

    I even have NetFoss and Net2BBS setup on a machine with Avast running (been testing some old school stuff lately) and all seems good.


    Barry G. Davis, Jr.
    SysOp - BGD Consulting and Graphics
    telnet://bgdcag.synchro.net:2332
    http://www.bgdcag.biz
    http://bgdcag.synchro.net
    --- SBBSecho 2.33-Win32
    * Origin: BGDCAG BBS bgdcag.synchro.net:2332 (1:300/5)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Mike Ehlert on Wed May 11 21:47:19 2016
    Mike Ehlert wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    No, a friend told me that someone had mentioned a false-positive result
    on NetFoss in here, so I figured I'd pop in and have a look. I usually only read the FidoNet echos once in a blue moon. I keep planning to
    rejoin but never seem to find the time.

    You're always welcome in here.

    --Sean

    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Limestone, TN, USA (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to MATT MUNSON on Wed May 11 21:59:32 2016
    MATT MUNSON wrote to Mike Ehlert <=-

    I guess I will just need to find a good alternative anti virus program instead of relying on microsoft's defender on my bbs virtual machine.

    I like Avast! under Windows.

    --Sean

    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Limestone, TN, USA (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to ROBERT WOLFE on Wed May 11 22:00:18 2016
    ROBERT WOLFE wrote to MATT MUNSON <=-

    Turns out Norton does the same thing.

    Norton is overly paranoid. I tried scanning TMO's EXE with Norton and
    Norton spit out a false positive...

    --Sean

    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Limestone, TN, USA (1:18/200)