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    From Vapovickspam@yahoo.Com@1:278/230 to All on Thu Nov 13 20:51:00 2003
    CAn anyone tell me what the difference is between salt and fresh water. I am curious to know the difference's in equipment only, I understand the care
    and maintance will be different, but what are the equipment differences ?

    Thanks.
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  • From Coelacanth@1:278/230 to All on Thu Nov 13 20:51:00 2003
    Even that seemingly straightforward question is not as
    easy as it seems. The equipment can be virtually identical
    (filter, heater, light) if you're comparing simple fish-only
    set ups. On the other hand, if you have a freshwater planted
    aquarium, there's a whole bunch of CO2-related equipment
    to be added. If you want to do marine reefkeeping, the
    equipment needed include the basics plus protein skimmer,
    elaborate lighting, sumps, refugiums, etc., etc. hth.

    -coelacanth

    <vapovickSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vr81v881k26pdc@corp.supernews.com...
    CAn anyone tell me what the difference is between salt and fresh water. I
    am
    curious to know the difference's in equipment only, I understand the care
    and maintance will be different, but what are the equipment differences ?

    Thanks.
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  • From Vapovickspam@yahoo.Com@1:278/230 to All on Fri Nov 14 06:23:00 2003
    Just wanted to keep a couple of clown fish and sea aneamies (sp?) does not
    need a protein skimmer ?

    coelacanth wrote:

    Even that seemingly straightforward question is not as
    easy as it seems. The equipment can be virtually identical
    (filter, heater, light) if you're comparing simple fish-only
    set ups. On the other hand, if you have a freshwater planted
    aquarium, there's a whole bunch of CO2-related equipment
    to be added. If you want to do marine reefkeeping, the
    equipment needed include the basics plus protein skimmer,
    elaborate lighting, sumps, refugiums, etc., etc. hth.

    -coelacanth

    <vapovickSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vr81v881k26pdc@corp.supernews.com...
    CAn anyone tell me what the difference is between salt and fresh water. I
    am
    curious to know the difference's in equipment only, I understand the care
    and maintance will be different, but what are the equipment differences ?

    Thanks.
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  • From Wicked1@1:278/230 to All on Fri Nov 14 15:44:00 2003
    If you want a clown host anemone then you need alot of light. If you just
    want an anemone but not a clown host I have used condylactis(sp?) anemones(atlantic) because they dont need high light levels. I keet 2 clowns and a condylactis in a 10 gallon with a live sand bed and 10 lbs of live
    rock,a penguin 170 biowheel filter, and a standard flourescent hood without problems.The condylactis can eat the clown although I have never had that problem as the clowns stay far away from it.Due to the fact that saltwater caused me alot of problems and money on my 125 it is now freshwater oscar
    tank but the 10 gallon is nice and easy to keep.


    <vapovickSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vr8alkjnm34l8a@corp.supernews.com...
    Just wanted to keep a couple of clown fish and sea aneamies (sp?) does not need a protein skimmer ?

    coelacanth wrote:

    Even that seemingly straightforward question is not as
    easy as it seems. The equipment can be virtually identical
    (filter, heater, light) if you're comparing simple fish-only
    set ups. On the other hand, if you have a freshwater planted
    aquarium, there's a whole bunch of CO2-related equipment
    to be added. If you want to do marine reefkeeping, the
    equipment needed include the basics plus protein skimmer,
    elaborate lighting, sumps, refugiums, etc., etc. hth.

    -coelacanth

    <vapovickSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vr81v881k26pdc@corp.supernews.com...
    CAn anyone tell me what the difference is between salt and fresh water.
    I
    am
    curious to know the difference's in equipment only, I understand the
    care
    and maintance will be different, but what are the equipment differences
    ?

    Thanks.

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  • From Blank@1:278/230 to All on Sat Nov 15 10:31:00 2003
    "coelacanth" <coelacanth@no.where> wrote in message news:I9itb.306$yM1.231@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
    .. As for not
    being on sale in Australia--well, my recollection
    is that you're a tad off the beaten path. Maybe CO2
    is just a big-city vice ;)?


    No, we are up to speed on CO2 in oz, but its not available as readily as one might wish. However,
    http://www.milwaukeemeters.com.au/aquarium.html sell the regulator (AU$
    205) and pH controller (AU$ 231). The guy who runs Milwaukee is on the Gold Coast, and seems like a reasonable bloke over the phone. I expect to buy
    from him as soon as I get my water and lights a bit more under control.
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  • From Bassett@1:278/230 to All on Sat Nov 15 10:58:00 2003
    While I agree with your ideas about marine, you did forget, that he will
    also need plenty of cash,
    But, Please tell me, Why does he need a CO-2 unit.
    I,ve had planted tanks for years, and have never bothered with all that
    stuff,
    In fact I,ve never ever seen it for sale in Australia..

    bassett

    "coelacanth" <coelacanth@no.where> wrote in message

    Even that seemingly straightforward question is not as
    easy as it seems. The equipment can be virtually identical
    (filter, heater, light) if you're comparing simple fish-only
    set ups. On the other hand, if you have a freshwater planted
    aquarium, there's a whole bunch of CO2-related equipment
    to be added. If you want to do marine reefkeeping, the
    equipment needed include the basics plus protein skimmer,
    elaborate lighting, sumps, refugiums, etc., etc. hth.

    -coelacanth

    <vapovickSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vr81v881k26pdc@corp.supernews.com...
    CAn anyone tell me what the difference is between salt and fresh water.
    I
    am
    curious to know the difference's in equipment only, I understand the
    care
    and maintance will be different, but what are the equipment differences
    ?

    Thanks.


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  • From Coelacanth@1:278/230 to All on Sat Nov 15 10:58:00 2003
    Well, I think that it depends on what you're growing.
    If one aspires to Amano-like tanks, it's a sine non qua.
    In my own case, I need a little CO2 to get the water
    into a habitable condition, since it comes out of
    the tank at pH 8.4 with KH of 20+ and I will insist
    on keeping Amazonian biotopes. But of course
    people have different experiences. As for not
    being on sale in Australia--well, my recollection
    is that you're a tad off the beaten path. Maybe CO2
    is just a big-city vice ;)?

    -coelacanth

    "Bassett" <bassett@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message news:3fb59ce1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    While I agree with your ideas about marine, you did forget, that he will
    also need plenty of cash,
    But, Please tell me, Why does he need a CO-2 unit.
    I,ve had planted tanks for years, and have never bothered with all that stuff,
    In fact I,ve never ever seen it for sale in Australia..

    bassett

    "coelacanth" <coelacanth@no.where> wrote in message

    Even that seemingly straightforward question is not as
    easy as it seems. The equipment can be virtually identical
    (filter, heater, light) if you're comparing simple fish-only
    set ups. On the other hand, if you have a freshwater planted
    aquarium, there's a whole bunch of CO2-related equipment
    to be added. If you want to do marine reefkeeping, the
    equipment needed include the basics plus protein skimmer,
    elaborate lighting, sumps, refugiums, etc., etc. hth.

    -coelacanth

    <vapovickSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vr81v881k26pdc@corp.supernews.com...
    CAn anyone tell me what the difference is between salt and fresh
    water.
    I
    am
    curious to know the difference's in equipment only, I understand the
    care
    and maintance will be different, but what are the equipment
    differences
    ?

    Thanks.




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  • From Bassett@1:278/230 to All on Mon Nov 17 10:00:00 2003
    Well your partly right, I do live in a semi-remote area, and am about 40 minutes from a large costal town, Coffs Harbour NSW

    As for paying close to $500, plus the Air tank , I'll stay remote, or off
    the beaten track ,as you call it... frankly I think your "Dead in the Head" paying that sort of money, so you can grow fish weed..
    And there,s nothing wrong with my water quality, Chemical free, rain water straight of the roof
    bassett



    "blank" <void@invalid.net> wrote in message >

    No, we are up to speed on CO2 in oz, but its not available as readily as
    one
    might wish. However,
    http://www.milwaukeemeters.com.au/aquarium.html sell the regulator (AU$ 205) and pH controller (AU$ 231). The guy who runs Milwaukee is on the
    Gold
    Coast, and seems like a reasonable bloke over the phone. I expect to buy from him as soon as I get my water and lights a bit more under control.

    "coelacanth" <coelacanth@no.where> wrote in message
    . As for not
    being on sale in Australia--well, my recollection
    is that you're a tad off the beaten path. Maybe CO2
    is just a big-city vice ;)?
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  • From Wicked1@1:278/230 to All on Tue Nov 18 09:53:00 2003
    If you want a clown host anemone then you need alot of light. If you just
    want an anemone but not a clown host I have used condylactis(sp?) anemones(atlantic) because they dont need high light levels. I keet 2 clowns and a condylactis in a 10 gallon with a live sand bed and 10 lbs of live
    rock,a penguin 170 biowheel filter, and a standard flourescent hood without problems.The condylactis can eat the clown although I have never had that problem as the clowns stay far away from it.Due to the fact that saltwater caused me alot of problems and money on my 125 it is now freshwater oscar
    tank but the 10 gallon is nice and easy to keep.

    <vapovickSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vr81v881k26pdc@corp.supernews.com...
    CAn anyone tell me what the difference is between salt and fresh water. I
    am
    curious to know the difference's in equipment only, I understand the care
    and maintance will be different, but what are the equipment differences ?

    Thanks.
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