I forgot to also ask:

Ultimately I'd like the tank to contain some shoaling fish, and if possible another betta. The shoaling fish are more important and I've heard that fast shoalers can damage bettas' fins - is this true?

Thanks,

David
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The fish shop in question sold me a betta, pleco and small (approx 10

litre)

tank three weeks ago. I went in believing that a betta was a delicate tropical species and came out having been told it was a hardy 'all

weather'

species which could breathe air and was used to a natural habitat of mud ponds- dark and murky. Lies, I now know, but not in time to save my poor betta who succombed to a fungal infection the day before we were due to

move

him to a new home - a heated, lit and filtered 50 litre tank.

Not really. Wild bettas do in fact live in little more than puddles in their natural habitat. They have developed the ability to breathe atmospheric air because of the lack of oxygen in these small patches of water. Also, because the body of water is so small, there are quite considerable fluctuations in temperature throughout the day.

That said, it is no excuse for not looking after them properly in captivity.

So now the pleco is in the tank with two plants, mod cons, shelter and a piece of cucumber which he is ignoring. I want to cycle the tank fully
before introducing any new fish and I'm aware that plecos aren't an ideal species for this (ideally I'd be doing a fishless cycle but it's a bit

late

for that). The question is, is a 2" pleco going to be ok in an uncycled 11 gallon tank while the bacteria get their act together?

The fish you have in there will be safe enough so long as you don't overload the filter with waste products.i found the best way to feed a plec was to
cur a 2" circle of cucumber and put a plant weight through the rind. Put it
in the tank just before light's out and in the morning you should have a perfect circle cut out and the rind intact.

The tank has had AquaSafe chlorine treatment, "Stress Zyme" bacterial supplement (though I've recently read that such supplements are pretty useless) and a dose of anti-fungus, in case the pleco is at risk from the infection that killed the betta. The funcicide is phenoxyethanol based and claims to be "harmless to filters and all species of fish and plants".

I have used StressZyme on a regular basis over the past 10 years. Not sure
if it actually does a lot though. You may be better off getting hold of Waterlife's Bacterlife instead. It is a little more expensive but has a different conncentration of bacteria. Again, not sure how long they live
once put in a bottle, but....

A small amount of water from the old tank will have made its way into the
new tank while transferring the pleco, though I think the problem was

water

quality rather than any virus or unusual pathogen. I still have the old
tank, in case I find out that I can speed things up by recycling the

gravel

(after a good rinse) - perhaps I could test it out with a dose of ammonia

in

some fresh (dechlorinated) water?

This is one of the best ways to seed a new tank. Your gravel will have
bacteria in it from your old aquarium. If it still had water in it, I would
say to rinse the gravel thoroughly in the old tank's water before
transferring it over to the new one. You don't want to run it under tap
water otherwise what little bacteria you have will die. That said, you will need to clean it under the tap if the gravel has been sat in the tank and
gone stagnant.

PS. Can anyone recommend a good fish shop in London?

I'm in Leeds so that doesn't help. But if you say whereabouts in London, you may get a better response.

Regards

Mark
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I started keeping fish in August and one of the best advice sites I found
was http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html

I feed my pleco Hikari's Sinking Wafers - he loves them - one most evenings
and he has almost doubled in size in 2 months!!!

Good luck

Simon


"Marksfish" <mark@nospam.marksfish.f9.co.uk> wrote in message news:fn6kb.11949$kA.3045829@wards.force9.net...

The fish shop in question sold me a betta, pleco and small (approx 10

litre)

tank three weeks ago. I went in believing that a betta was a delicate tropical species and came out having been told it was a hardy 'all

weather'

species which could breathe air and was used to a natural habitat of mud ponds- dark and murky. Lies, I now know, but not in time to save my poor betta who succombed to a fungal infection the day before we were due to

move

him to a new home - a heated, lit and filtered 50 litre tank.

Not really. Wild bettas do in fact live in little more than puddles in

their

natural habitat. They have developed the ability to breathe atmospheric

air

because of the lack of oxygen in these small patches of water. Also,

because

the body of water is so small, there are quite considerable fluctuations

in

temperature throughout the day.

That said, it is no excuse for not looking after them properly in

captivity.

So now the pleco is in the tank with two plants, mod cons, shelter and a piece of cucumber which he is ignoring. I want to cycle the tank fully before introducing any new fish and I'm aware that plecos aren't an

ideal

species for this (ideally I'd be doing a fishless cycle but it's a bit

late

for that). The question is, is a 2" pleco going to be ok in an uncycled

11

gallon tank while the bacteria get their act together?

The fish you have in there will be safe enough so long as you don't

overload

the filter with waste products.i found the best way to feed a plec was to
cur a 2" circle of cucumber and put a plant weight through the rind. Put

it

in the tank just before light's out and in the morning you should have a perfect circle cut out and the rind intact.

The tank has had AquaSafe chlorine treatment, "Stress Zyme" bacterial supplement (though I've recently read that such supplements are pretty useless) and a dose of anti-fungus, in case the pleco is at risk from

the

infection that killed the betta. The funcicide is phenoxyethanol based

and

claims to be "harmless to filters and all species of fish and plants".

I have used StressZyme on a regular basis over the past 10 years. Not sure
if it actually does a lot though. You may be better off getting hold of Waterlife's Bacterlife instead. It is a little more expensive but has a different conncentration of bacteria. Again, not sure how long they live
once put in a bottle, but....

A small amount of water from the old tank will have made its way into

the

new tank while transferring the pleco, though I think the problem was

water

quality rather than any virus or unusual pathogen. I still have the old tank, in case I find out that I can speed things up by recycling the

gravel

(after a good rinse) - perhaps I could test it out with a dose of

ammonia

in

some fresh (dechlorinated) water?

This is one of the best ways to seed a new tank. Your gravel will have bacteria in it from your old aquarium. If it still had water in it, I

would

say to rinse the gravel thoroughly in the old tank's water before transferring it over to the new one. You don't want to run it under tap
water otherwise what little bacteria you have will die. That said, you

will

need to clean it under the tap if the gravel has been sat in the tank and gone stagnant.

PS. Can anyone recommend a good fish shop in London?

I'm in Leeds so that doesn't help. But if you say whereabouts in London,

you

may get a better response.

Regards

Mark

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