• The Mystery Almost Solved

    From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to All on Tue Apr 28 15:49:00 2009
    Hello everyone,

    Well, after spending some more time online surfing different fish sites, googling, etc., I believe I have finally figured out with 99.9% certainty
    what I purchased this past Saturday.

    As it turns out, and assuming that I am correct, the people at the store
    were way off-base with what they told me. What they sold me was not
    Protomelas Spilonotus Tanzania, but rather either five Electric Blue
    Johannis, (Melanochromis Johanni), or else five Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos (aka Maingano). All of the online images that I have looked at seem to
    confirm that it is one of these two species.

    Even trying to decide between those two is confusing, because some sites
    claim that they are two different species -- with slight differences in appearance -- while others say that Johanni and Cyaneorhabdos/Maingano are
    one and the same. Some sites even call Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos Blue Johanni, or Electric Blue Johanni.

    After looking at the images, and looking closely at my fish, I have
    determined that these fish have the mouths of algae eaters, and not the
    mouths of a carnivores.

    Figuring out the parentage of the fish is a problem for us fish keepers here
    on Guam, because all of our fish are imported; usually from the Philippines, Taiwan or Singapore. As if that isn't bad enough, trying to find someone at
    a local store who knows what they are talking about is difficult. Even the owner of the store led me astray.

    To add to that, fish breeders and sellers over here can be very
    unscrupulous. They will purposely only sell the stores males, so as to
    protect their stock, and their business profits.

    In conclusion, if these are indeed Melanocrhomis Johanni, then I am stuck
    with five males of various sizes. On the other hand, if they are
    Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos, then maybe I might possibly have a few females, since there is little to no distinction between the males and females in the species...at least according to online sources. :)

    Comments anyone?


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Jeff Snyder on Sat May 2 14:24:37 2009

    In conclusion, if these are indeed Melanocrhomis Johanni, then I am stuck with five males of various sizes. On the other hand, if they are Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos, then maybe I might possibly have a few females, since there is little to no distinction between the males and females in the species...at least according to online sources. :)

    Good luck!

    I've still got a snail explosion in my tank and waiting for them to get a bit bigger so we can peel them out. The angel fish are near full sized now. Am thinking of a dwarf pleco.
    xxcarol
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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 3 10:10:00 2009
    On 05/03/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Carol Shenkenberger: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    I've still got a snail explosion in my tank and waiting for them to get a bit bigger so we can peel them out. The angel fish are near full sized now. Am thinking of a dwarf pleco. xxcarol --- SBBSecho


    I may have mentioned this before, but I was reading that loaches love eating snails. You may want to think about getting a few to see how they do. I can't remember if it was clown loaches or cooli loaches. You may want to do some online research.

    Plecos...oh gosh! I am glad that you are getting a dwarf, because the regular ones can be real nightmares, and terrors, once they get big. Not only can they become aggressive, but for the aquarist, with that armored skin of theirs,
    they can be a real danger if they swipe you one. I never really cared for plecos for that reason. They are ugly and prehistoric looking. :)

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Jeff Snyder on Sun May 3 09:07:19 2009

    I've still got a snail explosion in my tank and waiting for them to get bit bigger so we can peel them out. The angel fish are near full sized now. Am thinking of a dwarf pleco. xxcarol --- SBBSecho


    I may have mentioned this before, but I was reading that loaches love eating snails. You may want to think about getting a few to see how they do. I can' remember if it was clown loaches or cooli loaches. You may want to do some online research.

    I have one of those. Not doing much but he does look fat!

    Plecos...oh gosh! I am glad that you are getting a dwarf, because the regula ones can be real nightmares, and terrors, once they get big. Not only can th become aggressive, but for the aquarist, with that armored skin of theirs, they can be a real danger if they swipe you one. I never really cared for plecos for that reason. They are ugly and prehistoric looking. :)

    Never had a problem with them before! Dwarf ones are a good idea though as they can get to be 16 inches and my tank is a tall thin sort of 70G. Reef
    tank for saltwater originally.
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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon May 4 00:42:00 2009
    On 05/04/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Carol Shenkenberger: Re: The Mystery
    Almost Solved.

    I have one of those. Not doing much but he does look fat


    Hello again Carol. I really don't think that one single loach is going to cut it...at least not if you really want to keep your snail problem under control. You are going to want at least a pair or two. Here is a link to some useful loach information for you:

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Freshwater-Aquarium-3216/snail-control.htm

    I hope it helps.

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Jeff Snyder on Mon May 4 19:16:28 2009

    I have one of those. Not doing much but he does look fat

    Hello again Carol. I really don't think that one single loach is going to cu it...at least not if you really want to keep your snail problem under contro You are going to want at least a pair or two. Here is a link to some useful loach information for you:

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Freshwater-Aquarium-3216/snail-control.htm


    Should when i get home! I'm away on a work training trip in Pensacola this week. Telneting to my homesystem for replies but lots of work here for me to do as well.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue May 5 18:37:16 2009

    I've still got a snail explosion in my tank and waiting for them to
    get a bit bigger so we can peel them out. The angel fish are near
    full sized now. Am thinking of a dwarf pleco.

    explosion? peel? are you talking about snails? get a goldfish or two... they'll
    eat'em... they did mine :)

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Jeff Snyder on Tue May 5 18:38:27 2009

    Plecos...oh gosh! I am glad that you are getting a dwarf, because
    the regular ones can be real nightmares, and terrors, once they get
    big. Not only can they become aggressive, but for the aquarist,
    with that armored skin of theirs, they can be a real danger if they
    swipe you one. I never really cared for plecos for that reason.
    They are ugly and prehistoric looking. :)

    my largest pleco got to 20 inches in my 30Gal tank before i traded him for some
    other fish... he used to eat right out of my hand and loved for me to rub his back and scratch his belly... used to even come up out of the tank several inches to say "hi! feed me!" one of the coolest fish i had ever had... second only to my albino oscar that reached 3 pounds before he died of a bladder infection while i was away for a month or so...

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to mark lewis on Wed May 6 11:21:00 2009
    On 05/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted mark lewis: The Mystery Almost Solved.

    my largest pleco got to 20 inches in my 30Gal tank before i traded him for some other fish... he used to eat right out of my hand and loved for me to rub his back and scratch his belly... used to even come up out of the tank several inches to say "hi! feed me!" one of the coolest fish i had ever had... second only to my albino oscar that reached 3 pounds before he died of a bladder infection while i was away for a month or so...


    Hello Mark. Nice to see you posting here.

    I have to say, your pleco story freaks me out. :) You rubbed his back and scratched his belly? Thanks but no thanks. I've just never really cared for plecos, probably because I used to clean a lot of tanks which contained large plecos, as an aquarium design and maintenance person. I was always worried about getting swiped by one of those huge monsters.

    My five Electric Blue Johannis have also developed their own feeding ritual since I purchased them a few weeks ago. The dominant male in particular will come right up to the glass while I am working on my computer. He will start strutting around, eyeballing me, making his little sparring movements in the sand, as if to say "Hey! What are you waiting for?! I'm hungry!" And of
    course, being the old softy that I am, I give in and feed them.

    I've never kept Oscars of any kind, although I do find them to be interesting fish...particularly when they reach a large size. There is just something
    about large fish that is cool.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to mark lewis on Wed May 6 11:27:00 2009
    On 05/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted mark lewis: The Mystery Almost Solved.

    explosion? peel? are you talking about snails? get a goldfish or two... they'll eat'em... they did mine :)


    I would be hesitant to put goldfish in a community tropical fish tank. Not
    only are they not tropical fish, but they are dirty fish as well, and often carry disease, such as anchor worm, which can be a real bugger to get rid of once it gets in a tank. I remember when I was managing a pet store not quite twenty years ago, in addition to medicating the tanks, we had to manually pull the anchor worms out of their bodies.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Jeff Snyder on Wed May 6 10:19:52 2009

    explosion? peel? are you talking about snails? get a goldfish or two... they'll eat'em... they did mine :)

    I would be hesitant to put goldfish in a community tropical fish
    tank. Not only are they not tropical fish, but they are dirty fish
    as well, and often carry disease, such as anchor worm, which can be
    a real bugger to get rid of once it gets in a tank. I remember when
    I was managing a pet store not quite twenty years ago, in addition
    to medicating the tanks, we had to manually pull the anchor worms
    out of their bodies.

    ewww... i only have two words for something like that... reputable dealer... in
    other words, the one you buy from... someone upstream from you wasn't "playing fair"... i've never had problems like that and generally end up with at least one goldfish in most of my tank setups... they're not that "dirty" if you take care of the tank properly ;)

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to mark lewis on Fri May 22 21:55:00 2009
    ewww... i only have two words for something like that... reputable dealer... in other words, the one you buy from... someone upstream from you wasn't "playing fair"... i've never had problems like that and generally end up with at least one goldfish in most of my tank setups... they're not that "dirty" if you take care of the tank properly ;)


    When you are a hobbyist who is on the end of the chain, you really don't
    have any say in who your local pet store chooses to purchase their fish
    stock from. If you happen to live in a small town where there may only be
    one or two pet stores at best, that limits your selection even further.

    When I managed a local pet store years ago, we made a conscious effort to
    never sell sick or diseased fish. We would medicate the tanks and mark them with stickers so that our customers would know that the fish were off limits for the time being. We also had hospital tanks in the back room where we treated a lot of our sick fish.

    Concerning goldfish, they eat a lot, and they crap a lot. While I find some
    of them pretty and interesting, I am just not a goldfish fan, I guess.

    I am more captivated by cichlids, such as the African cichlids that I now
    have -- five Electric Blue Johannis. They are always interesting to watch; especially today as the dominant male has been lighting up like a neon lightbulb all day chasing the females, and sparring with the other males in
    the tank.

    These little guys are quite aggressive, just like the Copadichromis Borleyi that I had several years ago. Those guys spawned like rabbits, and I suspect that these ones will too once the females reach maturity.

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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Jun 15 22:42:50 2009
    Hello Carol.

    02 May 09 14:24, you wrote to Jeff Snyder:

    I've still got a snail explosion in my tank and waiting for them to
    get a bit bigger so we can peel them out. The angel fish are near
    full sized now. Am thinking of a dwarf pleco.

    I think that some loaches will eat snails (clown loach, zebra loach?) Only thing is, I had some clown loaches before, and I think they started feeding on my other fish. (I found then dead with holes bored into their sides)


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Michael Grant on Sat Jun 20 14:53:47 2009

    I've still got a snail explosion in my tank and waiting for them to
    get a bit bigger so we can peel them out. The angel fish are near
    full sized now. Am thinking of a dwarf pleco.

    I think that some loaches will eat snails (clown loach, zebra loach?) Only thing is, I had some clown loaches before, and I think they started feeding my other fish. (I found then dead with holes bored into their sides)

    I've had them before. They won't bother goldfish but I think not so good with
    smaller types.
    xxcarol

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Jeff Snyder on Sat Jun 20 15:57:23 2009

    When you are a hobbyist who is on the end of the chain, you really don't have any say in who your local pet store chooses to purchase their fish stock from. If you happen to live in a small town where there may only be one or two pet stores at best, that limits your selection even further.

    Yes, definately true. In Sasebo we had a choice of fantail or comet
    goldfish. No guppies, nothing else. Not in walking distance anyways!

    They were however, healthy. Wait, I forgot, they had male betas sometimes
    but that's not my style really.

    Concerning goldfish, they eat a lot, and they crap a lot. While I find some of them pretty and interesting, I am just not a goldfish fan, I guess.

    I had a goldfish my mom got me when I was 12. I gifted her to a friend when
    I was 23 and left for the Navy.

    I had them again off an on for 15 years then swapped at last to a full commumity tank (mostly placid sorts). A goldfish would be fine in the tank
    now with the others, but they tend to get rather large and my tank isnt
    really optimal for them due to it's odd shape.

    It's an older style you don't see much of now. Earlier use was a saltwater reef tank. Type is called a 70'GT' (70G, but taller and less deep from front to back). Side to side it's about same as a 110G tank but it's only 10.5 inches front to back. Those landscape backgrounds arent big enough as it's
    too tall to fit the standard ones.

    Thank goodness it survived storage while we were in Japan! It's not a replacable unit.
    xxcarol
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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Jun 21 12:03:00 2009
    On 06/21/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Carol Shenkenberger: Re: The Mystery
    Almost Solved.

    Yes, definately true. In Sasebo we had a choice of fantail or comet goldfish. No guppies, nothing else. Not in walking distance anyways!


    My gosh...I wouldn't even call that a fish store! :(

    They were however, healthy. Wait, I forgot, they had male betas sometimes but that's not my style really


    When I was a kid many moons ago -- I'm not telling -- I bred bettas. It was really quite interesting. I followed the instructions, and placed a square piece of waxed paper in a tank with about 4-5 inches of water, so that the
    male could build his bubble nest underneath the waxed paper.

    The tank was divided by a piece of that white plastic egg crate as I recall, with the male on one side of it, and the female on the other side of it. When she was really to spawn, I let her in. The whole breeding ritual with the male actually embracing and squeezing the female is quite amazing. And then they carefully pick up the eggs and blow them into the bubble nest.

    Then, when the eggs hatched, it was like a fine-toothed brush hanging under
    the waxed paper.

    Tragically, I lived in the cold north and had to use a heater in the tank. One day I came home from school to discover that the heater had gone wacko, and
    all of my babies were dead. Boo-hoo!

    I had a goldfish my mom got me when I was 12. I gifted her to a friend when I was 23 and left for the Navy.


    That's amazing! That's a long time for one fish to remain alive in an aquarium.

    It's an older style you don't see much of now. Earlier use was a saltwater reef tank. Type is called a 70'GT' (70G, but taller and less deep from front to back). Side to side it's about same as a 110G tank but it's only 10.5 inches front to back. Those landscape backgrounds arent big enough as it's too tall to fit the standard ones.


    Well, I just did some calculations, and I would guess that your tank was 60" from left to right, 26" tall, and 10.5" from front to back. Am I close?

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Jeff Snyder on Sun Jun 21 10:45:36 2009

    Yes, definately true. In Sasebo we had a choice of fantail or comet goldfish. No guppies, nothing else. Not in walking distance anyways!

    My gosh...I wouldn't even call that a fish store! :(

    It wasnt really. It was a small pet store, bird food and some birds, a few other oddiments as well. You'd have to go to Japan to understand the
    shopping there. Most stores are very small by our standards. That one was probably 11x13 or so. Like most there, it expands to the sidewalk when open (grin).

    Tragically, I lived in the cold north and had to use a heater in the tank. O day I came home from school to discover that the heater had gone wacko, and all of my babies were dead. Boo-hoo!

    Awww.

    I had a goldfish my mom got me when I was 12. I gifted her to a friend when I was 23 and left for the Navy.


    That's amazing! That's a long time for one fish to remain alive in an aquari

    Goldfish are hardy and long lived if properly cared for. She never bred in
    the tank (had various buddies over time, mostly buddies lived 5-6 years but
    one went with her when I had to give her up.).

    It's an older style you don't see much of now. Earlier use was a saltwa reef tank. Type is called a 70'GT' (70G, but taller and less deep from front to back). Side to side it's about same as a 110G tank but it's on 10.5 inches front to back. Those landscape backgrounds arent big enough it's too tall to fit the standard ones.

    Well, I just did some calculations, and I would guess that your tank was 60" from left to right, 26" tall, and 10.5" from front to back. Am I close?


    Very close! It's 28 tall and i guess a little less wide (dont have anything handy to measure with). Maybe 55 wide?

    The fellow i got it from showed me a picture of it loaded as a salt water
    reef tank. He had anemones and things like that in living coral banked up about 14 inches towards the back. Some salt water fern like things, and some small reef fish.


    I've not tried that but it really is an optimal design for that structure.
    Now in my case it's been a gold fish tank but the surface area isnt optimal
    for really large fish and you can get into problems where they grow so big, they have trouble turning around.

    Unlike most people who don't really have to pay that much attention to what level a fish likes, with this tank, thats a critical feature. Real easy to mis-pick firsh types and end up with whole levels that are empty and mostly stay that way.
    xxcarol
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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Jun 22 03:29:00 2009
    On 06/22/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Carol Shenkenberger: Re: The Mystery
    Almost Solved.

    It wasnt really. It was a small pet store, bird food and some birds, a few other oddiments as well. You'd have to go to Japan to understand the shopping there. Most stores are very small by our standards. That one was probably 11x13 or so. Like most there, it expands to the sidewalk when open (grin)


    Actually, I lived in Japan for almost three years back during the first half
    of the 80's, so I have a good idea what you are talking about. Japanese houses and apartments are the same way...quite small according to American standards.

    Very close! It's 28 tall and i guess a little less wide (dont have anything handy to measure with). Maybe 55 wide?


    Being an experienced aquarist yourself, I imagine that you already know the "magic formula", that being L x W x H divided by 231 cubic inches, because one gallon of water occupies 231 cubic inches of space in an aquarium. Of course, after you add your decor and substrate, you actually have a lot less water
    than that.

    The fellow i got it from showed me a picture of it loaded as a salt water reef tank. He had anemones and things like that in living coral banked up about 14 inches towards the back. Some salt water fern like things, and some small reef fish.


    When I was actually in the business -- I was a pet store mgr almost 20 years ago, and then had my own aquarium design and maintenance biz -- I used to design and maintain tanks from 5-300 gallons in size. One reef tank at a local hotel made the front page of our local newspaper. The largest tank I have personally ever owned was a 170 gallon tank...which was a reef tank when I
    sold it.

    I've not tried that but it really is an optimal design for that structure. Now in my case it's been a gold fish tank but the surface area isnt optimal for really large fish and you can get into problems where they grow so big, they have trouble turning around.


    Yeah, that narrow width would be a problem, no matter what kind of tank you
    set up. Personally, I have always preferred long tanks, as opposed to high tanks. High tanks can be more unstable and dangerous, and don't afford as much surface area, or living space, for a reef type environment. Shallow tanks also allow the light to penetrate better to the bottom, for the sake of the corals, anemones, etc.


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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Jun 23 00:23:38 2009
    Hello Carol.

    20 Jun 09 14:53, you wrote to me:

    I think that some loaches will eat snails (clown loach, zebra
    loach?) Only thing is, I had some clown loaches before, and I think
    they started feeding my other fish. (I found then dead with holes
    bored into their sides)

    I've had them before. They won't bother goldfish but I think not so
    good with smaller types.

    I think the ones I had attacked bigger fish. I got them for snail control as others had suggested here, but they really didn't make a big difference in that
    area, and I eventually wound up doing a scrubdown to get rid of the snails. It was a disappointment to me.

    Right now, I'm down to a few fish in my 75 gallon tank. A couple cichlids, including a young Jack Dempsey, a bristle nose pleco, a rainbow shark and a cory cat. Lost my prize upside-down catfish a couple weeks ago, but he was pretty old, so it wasn't too much of a suprise.

    I poked my nose in here because I pretty much have an out-of control algae problem ATM. I tried scraping, and also tried another suggestion I found online: using a magic eraser. Worked well, but only temporarily, then the algae
    came back in spades.

    I think I have to do a teardown and scrub the tank clean to get it under control. After that I might try that idea with the japanese moss balls; looks to me like a pretty good solution.

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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Tue Jun 23 00:36:59 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    21 Jun 09 12:03, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

    I had a goldfish my mom got me when I was 12. I gifted her to a
    friend when I was 23 and left for the Navy.

    That's amazing! That's a long time for one fish to remain alive
    in an aquarium.

    I've had fish live almost as long as that. I currently have two fish in my tank
    that are at least 8 years old.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Tue Jun 23 22:59:00 2009
    On 06/23/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    I've had fish live almost as long as that. I currently have two fish in my tank that are at least 8 years old.


    What kind of fish are they Michael?

    If you would like to see some images of my Malawi cichlids, please go here:

    http://www.endtimeprophecy.org/cgi-bin/TheFishGuy/TheFishGuy.cgi?fid=13

    I will be adding more pics as they become available. I just took some pics of my fry survivor, and will be posting them shortly as well. Right now, I am trying to see if I can take a short movie of the little guy, but it is proving to be difficult to get the quality right. Not sure why yet.

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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Tue Jun 23 22:59:38 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    23 Jun 09 22:59, you wrote to me:

    I've had fish live almost as long as that. I currently have two
    fish in my tank that are at least 8 years old.

    What kind of fish are they Michael?

    The bristle-nose pleco is currently the oldest; I'm not really sure exactly how
    old he is. I got him from a friend about 8 years ago when she converted her 150
    gal tank to salt water. She may have had him for three or four years before that. The upside down catfish that I mentioned had recently passed came from the same friend; I think he was older than the pleco. She also gave me an old beat-up albino cory cat (it's fins had been nipped by other fish). She told me it was over ten years old at the time. It lived in my tank for another 4 or 5 years.

    My rainbow shark is 8 or nine years old. I bought him with three others, and he
    has outlasted all the others. He spends most of his time hiding in a ceramic boat; that's probably why he's lasted so long.

    If you would like to see some images of my Malawi cichlids,
    please go
    here:

    http://www.endtimeprophecy.org/cgi-bin/TheFishGuy/TheFishGuy.cgi?fid=1
    3

    The link seems to be broken.


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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Wed Jun 24 20:22:00 2009
    On 06/24/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    http://www.endtimeprophecy.org/cgi-bin/TheFishGuy/TheFishGuy.cgi?fid=
    3

    The link seems to be broken.

    Can you please try again? I may have possibly had the server down momentarily. That number on the end is a 13 and not a 3. Also, make sure that there are no spaces in the URL when you type it in your browser's location bar.

    Thanks!

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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Wed Jun 24 20:01:26 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    24 Jun 09 20:22, you wrote to me:

    Can you please try again? I may have possibly had the server down momentarily. That number on the end is a 13 and not a 3. Also, make
    sure that there are no spaces in the URL when you type it in your browser's location bar.

    Works now. Nice electric blue; "Bully Boy". Been thinking about getting one of those myself one of these days. They do tend to be aggressive though, so I might wait until my new Jack Dempsey grows a little bigger first.


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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Thu Jun 25 17:36:00 2009
    On 06/25/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    Works now. Nice electric blue; "Bully Boy". Been thinking about getting one of those myself one of these days. They do tend to be aggressive though, so Imight wait until my new Jack Dempsey grows a little bigger first.


    Hello again Michael.

    Actually, I think that you might be looking at this in reverse. While Melanochromis Johanni, Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos and related species are pugnacious and aggressive, as you undoubtedly know, so are Jack Dempseys,
    aka Rocio Octofasciata. The issue that you need to consider here is that
    Jack Dempseys can grow to be over twice as large as the former, in which
    case Melanochromis species may not fare very well with them. Both species
    are better off kept in species tanks. The other problem is that both like to dig in the sand, particularly during mating and spawning, so that would undoubtedly lead to some serious territorial rivalries, and I think that the Melanochromis species would lose the fight.

    Please consider joining The Fish Guy Messageboard.

    Thanks!

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Michael Grant on Sun Jun 28 11:06:35 2009

    Right now, I'm down to a few fish in my 75 gallon tank. A couple cichlids, including a young Jack Dempsey, a bristle nose pleco, a rainbow shark and a cory cat. Lost my prize upside-down catfish a couple weeks ago, but he was pretty old, so it wasn't too much of a suprise.

    Same here, lost a mollie. They arent long lived so it wasnt much of a
    suprise.

    I poked my nose in here because I pretty much have an out-of control algae problem ATM. I tried scraping, and also tried another suggestion I found online: using a magic eraser. Worked well, but only temporarily, then the al came back in spades.

    I think I have to do a teardown and scrub the tank clean to get it under control. After that I might try that idea with the japanese moss balls; look to me like a pretty good solution.

    Might want to check your lighting situation as well? You may have too much 'plant growth' lighing going on. We get a bit too much too as the tank is a bi t too close to the window.
    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Jeff Snyder on Sun Jun 28 11:10:44 2009

    http://www.endtimeprophecy.org/cgi-bin/TheFishGuy/TheFishGuy.cgi?fid=

    The link seems to be broken.

    Can you please try again? I may have possibly had the server down momentaril That number on the end is a 13 and not a 3. Also, make sure that there are n spaces in the URL when you type it in your browser's location bar.

    It's case sensitive (most are not) so if like me, he had to type it in, thats why it's 'broken'.
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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Mon Jun 29 04:26:00 2009
    On 06/29/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    I poked my nose in here because I pretty much have an out-of control algae problem ATM. I tried scraping, and also tried another suggestion I found online: using a magic eraser. Worked well, but only temporarily, then the algae came back in spades.


    Michael, I think that you may be attacking your algae problem from the wrong direction. Rather than concentrating on eliminating the symptoms -- the unsightly algae -- you need to get to the source of the problem, which, for starters, is probably a high concentration of nitrates in your tank.

    As you probably already know, nitrates are a part of the nitrification
    cycle, i.e., ammonia, nitrite, nitrates, free nitrogen.

    The root of your problem is more than likely excessive organic waste
    somewhere in your system, which over time is being broken down into
    nitrates. Like phosphates, nitrates are the perfect food source for algae.

    My suggestions to you, before you decide to go the full route of dismantling your tank, are the following:

    1. Use a turkey baster or gravel vacuum to clean out your substrate.

    2. Check and replace all filter pads and cartridges as needed.

    3. Check and clean out all filter tubing as needed.

    4. Manually remove excess algae from glass and tank decor as much as
    possible.

    5. Verify that your bio-load is not too heavy for the size of your tank.

    6. Do not overfeed your fish.

    7. Conduct 25% -- or more -- water changes on a regular basis, meaning at
    least once a week. Being as you already have an algae problem, I would
    suggest a water change of 50%, and I would consider doing it twice a week
    until your nitrate level drops to an acceptable level. Of course, you will
    need to purchase a nitrate test kit in order to properly monitor the nitrate level of the tank.

    I hope that the above helps.

    Please let us know how it goes.

    Thanks!


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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Jun 29 04:53:00 2009
    On 06/29/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Carol Shenkenberger: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    Same here, lost a mollie. They arent long lived so it wasnt much of a suprise


    Carol, two things which may help to lengthen the lives of your mollies is to increase the hardness of your water -- such as by using limestone, crushed coral rock, etc. -- and conducting more frequent water changes. The practice
    of adding a little salt to mollie tanks is highly-debated.


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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Jun 29 04:59:00 2009
    On 06/29/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Carol Shenkenberger: Re: The Mystery
    Almost Solved.

    It's case sensitive (most are not) so if like me, he had to type it in, thats why it's 'broken'. xxcarol --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32 *


    Hmmm...Interesting. On my Macintosh, it is NOT case-sensitive. I can type "TheFishGuy" or "thefishguy" in the URL, and it makes no difference.

    I run the web server on a Mac running Tiger 10.4.11, which is a UNIX-based
    OS.

    I am wondering if this is a platform-specific problem. In other words, maybe Windows users need to use one form of the URL, while Mac users do not.

    At any rate, as long as I have the web server up, the messageboard should be accessible to everyone. However, I just never know when we might get a power fluctuation or outage here. They are quite common, and unpredictable.


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Jeff Snyder on Mon Jun 29 00:53:12 2009

    It's case sensitive (most are not) so if like me, he had to type it in, thats why it's 'broken'.

    Hmmm...Interesting. On my Macintosh, it is NOT case-sensitive. I
    can type "TheFishGuy" or "thefishguy" in the URL, and it makes no difference.

    I run the web server on a Mac running Tiger 10.4.11, which is a
    UNIX-based OS.

    some servers are set up to automatically correct mistyped URLs... domain names are not case-sensitive but URLs are and it depends on the server as to how it handles them... apache will correct or not depending if you have the module loaded or not ;)

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to mark lewis on Mon Jun 29 19:53:00 2009
    On 06/29/09, Jeff Snyder quoted mark lewis: The Mystery Almost Solved.

    some servers are set up to automatically correct mistyped URLs... domain names are not case-sensitive but URLs are and it depends on the server as to how it handles them... apache will correct or not depending if you have the module loaded or not ;)


    But I don't use the Apache server that is built into OSX. :)

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Jeff Snyder on Mon Jun 29 11:50:15 2009

    some servers are set up to automatically correct mistyped URLs... domain names are not case-sensitive but URLs are and it depends on the server as to how it handles them... apache will correct or not depending if
    you have
    the module loaded or not ;)

    But I don't use the Apache server that is built into OSX. :)

    i didn't know there was apache included in osx... i was, however, pointing out that some servers are case sensitive with URLs where others are not... also that servers that are case sensitive might correct the URL or even put up a list of similar URLs for the user to choose from ;)

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Jeff Snyder on Mon Jun 29 20:00:04 2009

    Same here, lost a mollie. They arent long lived so it wasnt much of a suprise

    Carol, two things which may help to lengthen the lives of your mollies is to increase the hardness of your water -- such as by using limestone, crushed coral rock, etc. -- and conducting more frequent water changes. The practice of adding a little salt to mollie tanks is highly-debated.

    My other fish do not take to that. Mollie was a hard bread female age estimated 3 YO?
    xxcarol
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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Thu Jul 2 18:56:22 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    25 Jun 09 17:36, you wrote to me:

    Actually, I think that you might be looking at this in reverse. While Melanochromis Johanni, Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos and related species
    are pugnacious and aggressive, as you undoubtedly know, so are Jack Dempseys, aka Rocio Octofasciata. The issue that you need to consider
    here is that Jack Dempseys can grow to be over twice as large as the former, in which case Melanochromis species may not fare very well
    with them. Both species are better off kept in species tanks.

    I've had a Jack Dempsey before, and it grew to quite a large size, but it was also quite docile and very good in my community tank amongst much smaller fish.
    The new Jack Dempsey I have seems quite shy as well. I've also had some other species that were supposed to be "good community fish" who were very aggressive.

    In my experience, the "aggressive" tags given certain species are pretty broad generalizations, and individual fish can tend to vary widely from such designations. However, pretty much every electric blue that I've seen in local shops appeared to behave aggressively towards their tank mates.

    The other problem is that both like to dig in the sand,
    particularly during mating and spawning, so that would
    undoubtedly lead to some serious territorial rivalries, and I
    think that the Melanochromis species would lose the fight.

    I try to stay away from pairing and spawning if possible. It's too much work for me to set up multiple tanks. I also once had three large angels and two of them paired up. It didn't end well for the third (he was blinded, and couldn't see to feed). I eventually lost the main aggressor as well, as the third gave back almost as good as he got.


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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Thu Jul 2 19:07:06 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    29 Jun 09 04:26, you wrote to me:

    The root of your problem is more than likely excessive organic waste somewhere in your system, which over time is being broken down into nitrates. Like phosphates, nitrates are the perfect food source for
    algae.

    It very likely is nitrates in the substrate that's the problem, but it's a lot bigger problem than a turkey baster or a gravel vaccum (which I /have/ used recently) can take care of. That's why I need to do a teardown, to remove the substrate and completely clean it, in order to get the situation under control.

    I'll probably do it this weekend.


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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Jul 2 19:04:58 2009
    Hello Carol.

    28 Jun 09 11:06, you wrote to me:

    After that I might try that idea with the japanese moss balls; look
    to me like a pretty good solution.

    Might want to check your lighting situation as well? You may have too much 'plant growth' lighing going on. We get a bit too much too as the tank is a bi t too close to the window.

    It has increased since I added a new light. It is close to my patio door as well, but that can't be helped; there's nowhere else in the room that the tank fits well.

    Trouble is, I sort of neglected it for a while and the nitrate situation got out of control. I did a fairly thorough cleaning a month or two ago, scraped off all the algae and vaccummed the substrate, but it quickly turned on me again. The substrate needs to be removed and completely cleaned to solve the problem. It's been a long time since I did a teardown on the big tank anyways, so it needs to be done.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Fri Jul 3 13:27:00 2009
    On 07/03/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    In my experience, the "aggressive" tags given certain species are pretty broad generalizations, and individual fish can tend to vary widely from such designations. However, pretty much every electric blue that I've seen in local shops appeared to behave aggressively towards their tank mates.


    I can certainly attest to that. As I've noted previously, I have five Melanochromis and/or Pseudotropheus species in my 45 gallon tank right now. They are beautiful fish, even rivaling some marine fish in their beauty; but boy, the level of aggression between them is significant, and a clear
    pecking order exists between them.

    Subdominant male #1 appears to have accepted his role as the last to feed.
    Even female #1 is more aggressive than he is when it comes to feeding time.
    I think that it is part of her nature to pack it in when she can, because
    once she spawns and carries eggs, she won't eat for several weeks.

    Subdominant male #2 has lately been giving my dominant male -- Bully Boy --
    his money's worth, by challenging his authority. Subdominant male #2 has in fact claimed territory that previously belonged to Bully Boy; and while
    Bully Boy is still the king of the tank, when it comes to feeding time, he
    is actually quite the chicken. Lately, I've been referring to Bully Boy as
    Mr. Spooky because of the way he slinks around the rocks. He thinks that I don't see him, but I am always eyeballing him. When he realizes that I am peering down through the rocks, he moves on.

    I try to stay away from pairing and spawning if possible. It's too much work for me to set up multiple tanks. I also once had three large angels and two of them paired up. It didn't end well for the third (he was blinded, and couldn't see to feed). I eventually lost the main aggressor as well, as the third gave back almost as good as he got.

    I have several seven-gallon and twenty-gallon tanks set up and running as emergency tanks. I have used them in the past to grow out Copadichromis
    Borleyi -- the Red Kadango variety. I used them recently to split up my
    fish, but this caused them to not behave naturally, so now they are all together again. When female #1 spawns again, I've decided that rather than place her in an emergency tank, I may just leave her in the main tank to
    hold her eggs; the reason being that with her last batch, five of her eight
    fry died within a day of being released by her while still in the holding
    tank, and I am still not certain why this occurred. Of the three that
    remained, it appears that only one has survived after I placed the three in
    the main tank. I call him "Junior". He is a spunky little guy, and has now survived just over two weeks in the tank with the "big boys". I suspect that
    he will make it to maturity without getting eaten, and it thrills me every
    time that I discover him cruising amongst the rocks. He is now about 3/4 of
    an inch in length, and is acquiring a faint blue hue.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Fri Jul 3 13:40:00 2009
    On 07/03/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    It very likely is nitrates in the substrate that's the problem, but it's a lot bigger problem than a turkey baster or a gravel vaccum (which I /have/ used recently) can take care of. That's why I need to do a teardown, to remove the substrate and completely clean it, in order to get the situation under control.


    Just curious...Do you use undergravel filters in your tanks?

    When I setup my 45-gallon tank again this past April, I decided to forego
    using a UGF, and just laid down a sand substrate, over which I built a rock pile full of tunnels and caves from one end of the tank to the other. All of the large base rocks sit on smaller support rocks, which sit directly on the glass bottom. This allows water flow under and all around the rocks. As for
    the sand, my fish are constantly moving it and stirring it up, so there are
    no anaerobic pockets as far as I know. Between my filtration system -- two Penguin 330 Bio-Wheels each powered by a Penguin 1140 powerhead -- and
    weekly water changes of 25% or more, my nitrate level has been very good at
    0 to 12.5 mg/l. In fact, I never saw it that good in an established tank
    when I was using UGF's.

    In addition to my turkey baster technique, I also stay on top of making sure that the filter pads don't become excessively clogged.

    Just a few thoughts for your consideration.


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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Fri Jul 3 13:51:00 2009
    On 07/03/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    It has increased since I added a new light. It is close to my patio door as well, but that can't be helped; there's nowhere else in the room that the tank fits well.


    I had a similar algae problem when I had my tanks out in the living room.
    Every day they were exposed to indirect sunlight coming in through the
    kitchen window. In fact, during certain times of the year, they would get a little bit of direct sunlight in the evening hours as the Sun was going
    down.

    However, in recent months, I moved all of my tanks to my bedroom. Both of my windows are permanently covered by storm shutters -- we live in "typhoon
    alley" here -- and so the only light that the tanks get, is from the
    aquarium lights. While I currently have a problem with diatoms, green algae
    has been slow to take hold, and I suspect that part of the reason - aside
    from a low nitrate level -- is that I have more control over the light level and photo period.

    I'll let you know if the above still holds true after the tanks have had a chance to age more. :)


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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Thu Jul 2 23:31:23 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    03 Jul 09 13:40, you wrote to me:

    Just curious...Do you use undergravel filters in your tanks?

    No, just gravel. It's 75 gallons, so I'd need a pretty powerful powerhead to drive a UGF for it.

    under and all around the rocks. As for the sand, my fish are
    constantly moving it and stirring it up, so there are no anaerobic
    pockets as far as I know.

    I've been looking at sand. A local shop has sand that is suited to what African
    cichlids are used to. I think it may have even said that it was from Malawi lake itself. I may add that when I do the teardown.

    Between my filtration system -- two Penguin
    330 Bio-Wheels each powered by a Penguin 1140 powerhead -- and
    weekly

    I have a very good canister filter, although I do admit that I tend to let it go too long between cleaning at times.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Fri Jul 3 17:24:00 2009
    On 07/03/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    No, just gravel. It's 75 gallons, so I'd need a pretty powerful powerhead to drive a UGF for it.


    I don't know what the dimensions of your tank are, but if it is four feet
    long, a Penguin 1140 powerhead situated in the back left and right corners might cover it. But if it is a wide (front to back) tank, like say 24", or
    if it is five feet long, then you might need to double that number to four powerheads.

    On a typical four-foot tank, I would always use a UGF with a Penguin 1140 powerhead on a lift tube in the back left and right corners. In addition, I would use two Penguin 330 Bio-Wheel filters, one on the back left side, and
    one on the back right side. This worked great for both freshwater and marine tanks. Of course, I no longer use UGF's.

    I've been looking at sand. A local shop has sand that is suited to what African cichlids are used to. I think it may have even said that it was from Malawi lake itself. I may add that when I do the teardown.


    I don't really think that you need any kind of "special" sand. As long as it
    is thoroughly cleaned, and you are sure that it doesn't contain any chemical contaminants, it will suit your purposes fine, and your fish will be blowing you kisses for months! It also looks so nice in the tank. :)

    As far as the sand being from Lake Malawi, it could be, but it sounds like a lot of salesman hype to me...and they'll probably charge you an arm and a
    leg for sand that they probably got from a nearby construction site! :)

    My sand, and my rocks -- limestone and coral rock -- all came from my back yard. Of course, I live on an island, so I have a distinct advantage which
    you may not have. Even our water here is perfect for Malawi cichlids. In
    fact, when I bred Angels and Discus over a dozen years ago, I had to use
    those water-softening pillows to soften the water enough so that they would breed.

    I have a very good canister filter, although I do admit that I tend to let it go too long between cleaning at times.


    Other than the canister filter, do you use anything else for water
    circulation? If not, you might want to consider adding a strong powerhead to the back left and right corners of the tank. I suggest Penguin 1140's. Point them diagonally so that they are both pointing towards the front center
    section of the tank. If you point them directly ahead, you might have a
    watery mess to deal with. Just a suggestion.

    I used to use Magnum canister filters, but no longer do. The problem here is that we have frequent power outages. If a canister is left off for too long, you end up with a lethal anaerobic environment. When the power returns, all
    of that hydrogen sulfide and methane gets shot into the tank. Not only does
    it smell bad, but you might end up with some dead fish bodies floating in
    your tank. :)


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Michael Grant on Fri Jul 3 10:41:42 2009

    Might want to check your lighting situation as well? You may have too much 'plant growth' lighing going on. We get a bit too much too as the tank is a bi t too close to the window.

    It has increased since I added a new light. It is close to my patio door as well, but that can't be helped; there's nowhere else in the room that the ta fits well.

    Understood. We have pretty much the same thing going on here, position
    related to the sun from the big double window isnt optimal.

    Trouble is, I sort of neglected it for a while and the nitrate situation got out of control. I did a fairly thorough cleaning a month or two ago, scraped off all the algae and vaccummed the substrate, but it quickly turned on me again. The substrate needs to be removed and completely cleaned to solve the problem. It's been a long time since I did a teardown on the big tank anyway so it needs to be done.


    I'll have to do something like that when we get the carpet replaced. The
    tank will have to be emptied almost completely before we can lift it. Fish tucked in a smaller tank for a short time with a good filter.
    xxcarol
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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Sun Jul 5 00:44:54 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    03 Jul 09 17:24, you wrote to me:

    addition, I would use two Penguin 330 Bio-Wheel filters, one on the
    back left side, and one on the back right side. This worked great for
    both freshwater and marine tanks. Of course, I no longer use UGF's.

    It's 2 ft x 5 ft, so UGF's are out; I don't want to buy four of them. The power's pretty reliable here, so canister filters are definately my preference.

    I have the canister filter set up at the front left, and I used to have a secondary side-mount filter at the rear right, but the impeller broke. The combination seemed to work quite well before, so I need to get a replacement for the second filter. I've been thinking alternatively about using one or two submersible filters.

    advantage which you may not have. Even our water here is perfect for Malawi cichlids. In fact, when I bred Angels and Discus over a dozen
    years ago, I had to use those water-softening pillows to soften the
    water enough so that they would breed.

    Cichlids also do well here in Alberta because our water is hard, which is what they prefer.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Michael Grant on Sun Jul 5 20:47:00 2009
    On 07/05/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Michael Grant: The Mystery Almost
    Solved.

    I have the canister filter set up at the front left, and I used to have a secondary side-mount filter at the rear right, but the impeller broke. The combination seemed to work quite well before, so I need to get a replacement for the second filter. I've been thinking alternatively about using one or two submersible filters.


    I don't know if you'd be interested in doing this or not, or even if it is possible with the type of hang-on filter that you are using, but after I
    lost a number of impellers due to sand getting lodged in the impeller
    housing, and stripping the plastic from the impeller, I got smart and
    totally removed the impeller, and unplugged the unit. Instead of using an impeller to suck up water through the lift tube part of the filter, I have attached a Penguin 1140 powerhead to each of my Penguin 330 Bio-Wheel
    filters, so that instead of water being sucked up by the impeller, it is in fact pushed up from the strainer end of the filter.

    In other words, the outflow part of the powerhead is connected directly to
    the intake of the filter's lift tube with a short rubber hose -- which is totally invisible -- while the strainer piece which normally connects to the end of the filter's lift tube, is connected to the intake of the powerhead. This prevents sand from clogging the impeller in the filter, being as there
    is no impeller there to begin with. If you are familiar with Penguin
    filters, then you'll know what I am talking about.

    Cichlids also do well here in Alberta because our water is hard, which is what they prefer.


    I wasn't aware of the fact that water is hard in your part of the world. Where I lived as a kid in the Eastern USA, it was relatively soft and acidic, as I recall. But that was many years ago, so I could be wrong.

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  • From Michael Grant@1:250/306 to Jeff Snyder on Mon Jul 6 21:27:56 2009
    Hello Jeff.

    05 Jul 09 20:47, you wrote to me:

    Instead of using an impeller to suck up water through the lift tube
    part of the filter, I have attached a Penguin 1140 powerhead to each
    of my Penguin 330 Bio-Wheel filters, so that instead of water being
    sucked up by the impeller, it is in fact pushed up from the strainer
    end of the filter.

    Hmm... might not work with the side mount units, but I do have an older canister filter kicking around that gave up the ghost. Might work with that.

    Cichlids also do well here in Alberta because our water is
    hard, which is what they prefer.

    I wasn't aware of the fact that water is hard in your part of
    the world. Where

    It's a very dry, arid climate here. Most water sources originate in the nearby mountains and have high mineral content to begin with, and then they are subject to significant evaporation levels in the summer, which drives up the mineral concentrations even more.

    It's not quite as arid as Africa, mind you, but it is one of the more arid parts of Canada. Saskatchewan's water may be even harder, as their water is not
    as readily replaced with mountainous runoff, and much of it is ground water.

    I lived as a kid in the Eastern USA, it was relatively soft and
    acidic, as I recall. But that was many years ago, so I could be
    wrong.

    I am originally from Nova Scotia, so I know what you mean. Very similar water there.

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